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The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/25/2005 7:20:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, this is an AAR between myself and String. We will each run our own threads and they will be off limits to each other. Please if you comment don't betray information we would not have.

I've played about 2 hours worth of the game in total, so expect some 'interesting' errors. I also am allergic to reading manuals so this will probably be an object lesson in how to make a total mess of things. However my preferrred learning style is learning by mistakes so here goes.

The settings are:

Scenario Pacific Jutland

Settings: ON - Sub doctrines, FOW, Adv weather, Player def Upg, all Game Options,

Reinforcements fixed, 1 Day turn cycle,

Non historical start..

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/25/2005 8:42:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson

Ok, this is an AAR between myself and String. We will each run our own threads and they will be off limits to each other. Please if you comment don't betray information we would not have.

I've played about 2 hours worth of the game in total, so expect some 'interesting' errors. I also am allergic to reading manuals so this will probably be an object lesson in how to make a total mess of things. However my preferrred learning style is learning by mistakes so here goes.

The settings are:

Scenario Pacific Jutland

Settings: ON - Sub doctrines, FOW, Adv weather, Player def Upg, all Game Options,

Reinforcements fixed, 1 Day turn cycle,

Non historical start..

Roger







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once a half dozen of those babies are down he doesn't stand a chance...

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/25/2005 8:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Initial Japanese Plans and philosophy

At the start the Japanese hold most of the bases with large points scores and these need to be held. However in holding them alone the points difference is in the Allies favour at 913/1161. It seems to me that we need to redress this by taking some bases, whilst not losing any, but in itself, even if we were to take every base there is not a lot of points to be gained. On the other hand the prestige of running the tired old imperialists out of Asia would be massive. Points are really there for the taking in sinking and damaging the enemy fleets. An example of this would be the sinking of 3 Allied BBs would be more than the equivalent of taking Hong Kong.

Our intelligence suggests that their combined fleets are weaker than ours, and that at present they are dispersed. If they are to succeed in their war they will be likely to seek to concentrate at one point and try to force a decisive battle on a part of our fleet, then follow up with invasion of one or more of our bases.

To counter this we have studied the map carefully and note that the area can almost be considered a closed sea in which we will clash, bounded by land masses. We will therefore seek to establish forward scouting forces to warn of their intentions and to concentrate our own dreadnoughts centrally so that we can put them with massive force wherever is appropriate. The only problem with this is my support personnel at Naval HQ have not yet had the time to predict how long we can stay at sea and there is not a central base where we can sit and await their approach.

We do feel that a detour by some forces to Hong Kong from Formosa is worthwhile, we know that the enemy has a small but powerful fleet presence there and if he does not withdraw these we can overwhelm him prior to joining up with our main fleet in the central South China Sea.

So, the details of Operation ‘Bow’

TF6 from Pescadores to sail to Hong Kong. 6 BBs, 5 CAs, 9 DDs under the command of VADM Yamamoto. Objective to destroy the Allied warships there then rv with main forces in South China Sea.
TF7 from Pescadores to 4 CLs, 4 DDs under RADM Aihara sail to west of Hong Kong and intercept any shipping heading for port .
TF8 from Pescadores 7 DDs and 2 MSWs to sail to SW of Hong Kong then to split into smaller picket Tfs to form advance guard warning of allied approaches.
Tainan forces to remain at anchor as mobile reserve scouting forces as situation develops
TF9 from Takao 2 BBs 4 BCs 1 CA 7 DDs under CPT Shibuya to sail to RV at 41.47 with main fleet.
Taichu shipping to await developments
TF4 under 5 BBs 3 DDs under Cpt Sakai to sail from outside of Lingayen to 41.47
TF2 25 Subs to sail in direction of 38.50 once out at sea to split into smaller Tfs and form advanced picket line
TF1 4 BBs 3 DDs under CPT Matsubara from Lingayen to sail to 41.47 to RV with main fleet
TF3 7 CLs 3 DDs under CPT Obayashi to sail to 37.50 to watch allied possible approach to TayTay
TF10 UB Class Subs from Manila under CDR Handa to sail to west of TayTay to intercept shipping attacking from West.
TF11 10 Subs under LCDR Kashiwagi from Manila to sail to 2 hexes west of Manila
TF12 10 Subs from Manila under LCDR Kinashi to sail to 39.50 and then to split into smaller hunting packs
TF13 1 CV 1 CA 3 CL under RADM Tomusaki to sail from Manila to 41.49 to act as scout for any hostile forces in that vicinity.
TF14 at San Jose 4 DDs under CDR Minowa to be on reaction standby here of 6 hexes
TF15 at TayTay 2 CA, 4 CL 5 DD under CPT Koizumi to be on standby here of 6 hexes
TF 5 at TayTay 3 CA 3 DD under CPT Kasai to be on standby here of 6 hexes
TF 16 at TayTay 2 CL, 9 DD under RADM Tanaka to sail to 31, 53 to make a nuisance of themselves!
Mitsubish Torpedo bombers to move from Clark to Lingayen – pity they don’t have the range to make TayTay!
TF17 2ML to sail from Lingayen to mine approaches to Manila

Ok, as you will see almost everything done is moving the fleet about. Land and support shipping can wait a move or two until I see what is developing… I hope.

Move completed, sent off.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/25/2005 10:23:21 PM   
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Straight away a sub catches one of my CLs. The Hirado gets 29 float and 21 fire damage from one torpedo off Hong Kong. Its detached from TF7 and making its way back to Pescadores. My escorts couldn’t locate the sub (SSK-14) so it gets away.

TF2 splits now its at sea and individual subs spread away from the point to all areas. Hopefully we’ll catch a few of his ships this way.

TF12 continues as a group and we will watch how the dispersal of TF2 goes before doing the same with the other sub wolfpack
TF43 sub is formed from half of TF11 and thus the spread continues outwards. They will patrol the Sulu Sea and guard the southern flank of Manila approaches

TF7 moving south of Hainan to watch reinfrocemnts coming towards Hong Kong.

Overall not a lot to do. The lack of scouting planes means there are vast areas of sea where he could be and I have no idea yet…. Hopefully the same applies to him.



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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 12:30:29 AM   
Roger Neilson

 

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Status: offline 		Move 2 - a bad day for the Imperial navy

SSk3 hits CL Abukama with a torpedo north of Brunei.


Night engagement rages between fleets at Hong Kong. Ranges vary between 2000 and 10000 yards. British ships are more heavily armoured it would seem, indeed some of the Jap Bbs are hardly Bbs really! Overall a complete disaster for the Japanese who, on paper had a stronger fleet in terms of numbers, in terms of Bbs…. But who were resoundingly defeated by more heavily armoured ships which were also far more accurate in their fire controls.

On the plus side, if there is one, BBs Ajax, Centurion and Conqueror all took significant shell hits and all had torpedo strikes.

What was significant was that the other BBs they had in their TF were not damaged at all, whereas all my ships had some hits on them.

All in all, as I said, a mess!

Ok, what to do.

The defeated fleet that sailed so proudly out to destroy the forces at Hong Kong are now split into three Tfs heading back to base at the Pescadores. BB Suwo and CA Ibuki are massively damaged and will not make it I think with float damage of 83 and 93 respectively. BBs Mikasa, Hizen, Iwami and Okinoshima will get back but will need significant repairs that will remove them from this scenario I’d say.

The result of this is we are determined to finish the job before they can be reinforced. TFs 1, 4 &9 will rv near Hong Kong and reorganise, then they will head in and destroy the remaining British fleet there. We have found them, now we will pin and destroy them. This force has 11 Bbs and 4 BCs to combine into a mighty force to assault the four undamaged Bbs at Hong Kong. We feel we can achieve this before the other British and Dutch ships appear.

TF 16 (raider Tf) will head towards Saigon in the belief that his capital ships have left and there may be easy pickings in merchant ships there.

Otherwise the subs continue to disperse to find his main fleet.

I do hope I am reading this right, otherwise it may be a very short game!



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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 12:49:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW feel free to jump in and tell me how you'd have done this differently and achieved superb results.... I want to learn!

Honest I do....

I won't be offended......

Well, not much... hardly at all.....



Roger

anyway its the wine's fault!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:03:04 AM   
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Round 1 of combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
CA Ibuki, Shell hits 3
CA Ikoma
BB Kashima, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Katori, Shell hits 1
BB Mikasa
BB Hizen, Shell hits 3
BB Iwami, Shell hits 1
BB Shikishima
BB Asahi
BB Fuji
BB Okinoshima
BB Mishishima
BB Suwo
CA Asama
CA Tokiwa
CA Yakumo
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8, Shell hits 1
DD No. 10
DD No. 12, Shell hits 1
DD No. 16
DD No. 18
DD Enoki
DD Nara

Allied Ships
BB King George V
BB Ajax, Shell hits 1
BB Centurion
BB Orion, Shell hits 1
BB Thunderer
BB Conqueror
BB Monarch
DD Valentine, Shell hits 3
DD Valhalla, Shell hits 1
DD Swan
DD Warrego
DD Yarra

Not a lot in it really!

Round 2 of combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
CA Ibuki, Shell hits 5, on fire
CA Ikoma
BB Kashima, on fire
BB Katori, Shell hits 1
BB Mikasa, Shell hits 4
BB Hizen
BB Iwami
BB Shikishima, Shell hits 3
BB Asahi
BB Fuji
BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 5, on fire
BB Mishishima, Shell hits 1
BB Suwo, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ( Damn)
CA Asama
CA Tokiwa
CA Yakumo
DD No. 4, Shell hits 1
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 10, Shell hits 12, and is sunk (yes, well, blown out of the water really)
DD No. 12
DD No. 16
DD No. 18
DD Enoki
DD Nara

Allied Ships
BB King George V, Shell hits 1
BB Ajax, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire (Banzaiiiii)
BB Centurion, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1 (Banzaiii)
BB Orion
BB Thunderer
BB Conqueror, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1 (Banzaiiii)
BB Monarch
DD Valentine
DD Valhalla
DD Swan
DD Warrego
DD Yarra, Shell hits 1, on fire

Round 3 of combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
CA Ibuki, Shell hits 5, on fire
CA Ikoma
BB Kashima, on fire
BB Katori, Shell hits 1
BB Mikasa, Shell hits 4
BB Hizen
BB Iwami
BB Shikishima, Shell hits 3
BB Asahi
BB Fuji
BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 5, on fire
BB Mishishima, Shell hits 1
BB Suwo, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ( she won’t survive)
CA Asama
CA Tokiwa
CA Yakumo
DD No. 4, Shell hits 1
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 10, Shell hits 12, and is sunk (already reported)
DD No. 12
DD No. 16
DD No. 18
DD Enoki
DD Nara

Allied Ships
BB King George V, Shell hits 1
BB Ajax, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Centurion, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
BB Orion
BB Thunderer
BB Conqueror, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1
BB Monarch
DD Valentine
DD Valhalla
DD Swan
DD Warrego
DD Yarra, Shell hits 1, on fire

Round 4 of combat

Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
CA Ibuki, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Ikoma, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Kashima, on fire
BB Katori
BB Mikasa, on fire
BB Hizen, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Iwami, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2 (Damn… actually looking at the damage not too bad)
BB Shikishima
BB Asahi
BB Fuji
BB Okinoshima, on fire
BB Mishishima
BB Suwo, on fire, heavy damage
CA Asama
CA Tokiwa
CA Yakumo
DD No. 4
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 16
DD No. 18, Shell hits 1
DD Enoki
DD Nara

Allied Ships
BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB Benbow
BB Marlborough
BB Empress of India
BB Erin, Shell hits 8
BB Canada
DD Torbay, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Tourmaline
DD Tomahawk


Maybe not soooo bad really... but I have had a bottle of red!

Roger

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:04:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds to me like you used your pre-dreadnaughts (Mikasa, Hizen, Iwami, and Okinoshima are all pre-dreads) against his normal BBs and got a whomping.

I think all the BBs that start at Pescadores in this scenario are pre-dreadnaughts.

It looks like you have a good counter plan to me though! (Nice map btw) He has to keep BBs at Hong Kong to protect the place. Which means that they won't be hard to find and sink

Edit: Looking at the AAR, yep, dreadnaughts versus pre-dreadnaughts.. You actually did pretty well More than I'd expect out of them anyways!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:05:57 AM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:29:09 AM   
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Bbs Renown, Repulse and Hood chase damaged Bb and Ca from Hong Kong and finish them off. Otherwise no action at all.

TF7, west of Hong Kong moving towards Camranh Bay, mix of CA. CL and DD hoping to get in behind his fleet which we assume is out there somewhere.

TF1 10 BBs and 4 BCs plus DD support now combined and 2 hexes south of Hong Kong heading there…. Fireworks next move I’m sure.

TF9 DDs and MSW also heading there acing as screening force.

TF6, reformed and resupplied at Pescadores now moves to join the fight at Hong Kong.

Damaged ships from first Hong Kong battle will have to languish at Pescadores, there is no shipyard to repair them in this scenario!

Time to hang onto your seat folks!


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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:33:03 AM   
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Fingers crossed!

Roger

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:50:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you have any Japanese submarines undeployed, especially the very short-range ones, you might consider setting up some harbor defense submarine patrols, around Manila and possibly Taytay. I had the British AI come in and whack me with shore bombardment at Taytay, but a small Japanese sub put a couple of torpedoes into Glorious as a payback.

Also consider defensive minefields.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 1:53:41 AM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 9:39:13 AM   
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As predicted, the fleets engage at Hong Kong. And its not as expected. 14 BBs and BCs of mine tangle with 5 of his BBs. I keep getting belt armour hits that bounce off, he keeps penetrating. After two rounds the engagement ends.

1. Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 5, on fire
BB Ise, Shell hits 3
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso, Shell hits 2
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu
BC Kongo, Shell hits 1
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
BB Aki
BB Satsuma
CA Kurama
DD No.1
DD No.3
DD No.5
DD Amatsukaze
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Kawakaze

Allied Ships
BB Benbow, Shell hits 1
BB Marlborough
BB Empress of India
BB Erin, Shell hits 6
BB Canada, Shell hits 2
DD Tourmaline, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Vega
DD Vendetta
DD Vivacious
DD Vivien
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2. Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
BB Aki, Shell hits 1
BB Satsuma
CA Kurama
DD No.1
DD No.3
DD No.5
DD Amatsukaze
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Kawakaze

Allied Ships
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Orion
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 1
BB Monarch
DD Valhalla
DD Swan, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Warrego, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Yarra
DD Vortigern


I am puzzled by how few hits I get – any ideas guys?
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Then surprise, a new force, one BB plus supports appears to take on my fleet. This round is not very dramatic.

1.Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
BB Aki
BB Satsuma, Shell hits 1
CA Kurama
DD No.1
DD No.3
DD No.5
DD Amatsukaze
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Kawakaze

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
DD Verdun
DD Versatile, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vesper, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Vidette
DD Vimiera
DD Vimy
DD Violent

2. Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
BB Aki
BB Satsuma, Shell hits 1
CA Kurama
DD No.1
DD No.3
DD No.5
DD Amatsukaze
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Kawakaze

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
DD Verdun
DD Versatile, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vesper, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Vidette
DD Vimiera
DD Vimy
DD Violent
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Elsewhere a CA/ CL battle occurs outside of TayTay

1. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53

Japanese Ships
CA Kasuga
CA Nisshin
CL Nagara
CL Isuzu
CL Natori
CL Yuru
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Umikaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kaba
DD Matsu

Allied Ships
CL Castor
CL Champion, Shell hits 3
TB Z1
TB Z2
TB Z3
TB Z4
TB Z5
TB Z6
TB Z7
TB Z8

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2. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53

Japanese Ships
CA Kasuga, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Nisshin
CL Nagara
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1
CL Natori, Shell hits 2
CL Yuru
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Umikaze
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kaba
DD Matsu

Allied Ships
CL Castor, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1
CL Champion, Shell hits 9
TB Z1
TB Z2
TB Z3, Shell hits 1
TB Z4, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
TB Z5
TB Z6
TB Z7
TB Z8

3. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53

Japanese Ships
CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Tama
CL Kitakami
CL Oi
CL Kiso
DD Minekaze
DD Sawakaze
DD Okikaze

Allied Ships
CL Castor
CL Champion
TB Z1
TB Z2
TB Z3
TB Z4, on fire, heavy damage
TB Z5
TB Z6
TB Z7
TB Z8

4. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53

Japanese Ships
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits
CL Kuma, Shell hits 1
CL Tama
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
CL Oi
CL Kiso
DD Minekaze
DD Sawakaze
DD Okikaze

Allied Ships
CL Castor, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CL Champion, Shell hits 3
TB Z1
TB Z2
TB Z3
TB Z4, and is sunk???????
TB Z5, Shell hits 2, on fire
TB Z6
TB Z7, Shell hits 2, on fire
TB Z8

He has sent a force off in pursuit of my damaged Bbs from the first HK attack, the encounter occurs just West of Formosa

Night Time Surface Combat at 47,44

Japanese Ships
CA Ikoma
BB Kashima
BB Mikasa
BB Hizen, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (OUCH)
BB Iwami
BB Okinoshima
CL Hirado
DD No. 4
DD No. 18

Allied Ships
CL Courageous
CL Glorious
CL Effingham
CL Frobisher
CL Hawkins
DD Tomahawk
DD Vanquisher
DD Venetia
DD Vectis
DD Velox
DD Viceroy, Shell hits 1
DD Viscount

Then back to HK…. Main fleet encounters CA TF that attacked mine off Formosa returning to base. I extract some revenge and start to think things are going my way.

1. Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 5
BB Nagato, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 9, on fire
BB Ise, Shell hits 4
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 6
BB Fuso, Shell hits 5
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 3
BB Settsu, Shell hits 1
BC Kongo, Shell hits 1
BC Hiei, Shell hits 1
BC Kirishima, Shell hits 2
BC Haruna, Shell hits 3
BB Aki, Shell hits 2
BB Satsuma
CA Kurama
DD No.1, Shell hits 1
DD No.3
DD No.5
DD Amatsukaze
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CL Courageous, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
CL Glorious, Shell hits 6, on fire
CL Effingham, Shell hits 5
CL Frobisher, Shell hits 8, on fire
CL Hawkins, Shell hits 22, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tomahawk, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Vanquisher, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Venetia, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Vectis, Shell hits 1
DD Velox, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
DD Viceroy, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Viscount, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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2. Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hakaze, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nadakaze
DD No. 2, Shell hits 1
DD Aoi, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hagi
MSW Yudachi, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Shigure
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hayakaze
DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Matsukaze
DD Urukaze
MSW Ashikazi Maru, on fire

Allied Ships
CL Glorious, Shell hits 24, on fire, heavy damage
CL Effingham, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
CL Frobisher, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
CL Hawkins, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
DD Vectis, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


But then, just as it looks a little better my DD scout force finds and does not run away from his BBs….

1. Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Nadakaze, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
DD No. 2, Shell hits 31, and is sunk
DD Hagi, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Shigure, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Hayakaze, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Shirayuki, and is sunk
DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
DD Urukaze, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
MSW Ashikazi Maru, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB King George V, Shell hits
BB Centurion, Shell hits 6
BB Orion, Shell hits 4
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 2
BB Monarch, Shell hits 1
DD Valhalla, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yarra
DD Vortigern, Shell hits 2, on fire


Ok, but his DDs run into my BBs…. Can you spot any difference in the results? I can!

Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage
BB Mutsu, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
BB Aki, on fire
BB Satsuma
CA Kurama
DD No.1
DD No.3
DD No.5
DD Amatsukaze
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
DD Verdun
DD Vidette
DD Vimiera, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Vimy
DD Violent

So at this point I’m a bit glum, a bit sad. A bit regretful. Remember that raiding CL Tf I sent to Saigon…. Well….Damn the Brits are still at Saigon….

Day Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 31,46

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kashiwa, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Katsura, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kaede, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kiri, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Kusunoki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Umi, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sakaki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sugi, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BC Tiger, Shell hits 2
BC Lion, Shell hits 2
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2
BC Australia, Shell hits 3
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 2
DD Torch
DD Turquoise, Shell hits 1
DD Tyrian, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vanessa

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 31,46

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kashiwa, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Katsura, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kaede, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kiri, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Kusunoki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Umi, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sakaki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sugi, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BC Tiger, Shell hits 2
BC Lion, Shell hits 2
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2
BC Australia, Shell hits 3
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 2
DD Torch
DD Turquoise, Shell hits 1
DD Tyrian, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vanessa

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 31,46

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, and is sunk
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
DD Katsura, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Kaede, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Kusunoki, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Umi, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Sakaki, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Sugi, Shell hits 10, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BC Tiger
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1
BC Australia
BC New Zealand
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 1
DD Torch
DD Turquoise, on fire
DD Tyrian, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vanessa


Tanaka goes down with his ships

If I was a bit sad before what am I now???????????

Ok, next moves in my ‘masterplan’.

TF3 moves to guard Manila, 7CLs & 3 DDs
TF13 Air Combat will move to investigate sightings of Allied ships west

Hong Kong outcome, one BB is crippled – Nagato 86/32/37 and two others are battling fires and sys damage over 30 Mutsu and Aki. The others are actually hardly touched so remain for another day of pounding, except they will be joined by another 5 BB TF. I’m going to stay here and finish this – to run now would be to lose face and also to have thrown some good ships away. I know a major part of his fleet is still in Saigon (pause to recall the total destruction of Tanaka’s command – note don’t do that again!) so I still can overwhelm him at Hong Kong – we shall see.

Quite why we did so badly again I don’t know, ok not many ships had damage, but his BBs seem to be able to shrug off damage still.

I have to say I love the new Sub routines….. sub is rattled…… sub leaking water on starboard!

Despite the dreadful move and the massive loss of ships I’m having fun….. but nothing like the fun String will be having when he wakes up and runs this turn!


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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 10:46:11 AM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 10:55:20 AM   
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I think this illustrates the FOW of the combat reports..... this lot are hardly touched

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This group is okayish

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 11:01:33 AM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 11:09:29 AM   
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Besides, this is too good an AAR.....

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 11:11:24 AM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 11:14:17 AM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 12:16:26 PM   
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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 3:35:00 PM   
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Well it couldn’t get much worse I suppose, but it sure hasn’t got any better. Some combat reports dropped as they are boring…….

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42
Round 1.
Japanese Ships
BB Katori
BB Shikishima, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Asahi
BB Fuji
BB Mishishima
CA Asama
CA Tokiwa
CA Yakumo
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 16

Allied Ships
BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 2
BB Benbow
BB Marlborough, Shell hits 2
BB Empress of India
BB Erin
BB Canada
BB Ajax
DD Vega
DD Vendetta
DD Vivacious
DD Vivien

Round 2

Japanese Ships
BB Katori
BB Shikishima, Shell hits 14, and is sunk – magazine exploded
BB Asahi, Shell hits 1
BB Fuji, Shell hits 1
BB Mishishima, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CA Asama, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1
CA Yakumo
DD No. 6
DD No. 8, Shell hits 1
DD No. 12, Shell hits 2
DD No. 16

Allied Ships
BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage – some consolation
BB Benbow, Shell hits 1
BB Marlborough, Shell hits 7
BB Empress of India, Torpedo hits 1 – scratched her paint I bet!
BB Erin
BB Canada
BB Ajax
DD Vega
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Vivacious, Shell hits 1
DD Vivien, Shell hits 1

Round 3

Japanese Ships
BB Katori, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Asahi, Shell hits 1
BB Fuji
BB Mishishima, on fire, heavy damage
CA Asama, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1
CA Yakumo
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12
DD No. 16

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Orion, Shell hits 1
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 2
BB Monarch, Shell hits 1
DD Yarra
DD Verdun
DD Vidette
DD Vimy
DD Violent

Round 4

Japanese Ships
BB Katori, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Asahi
BB Fuji
BB Mishishima, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk – oh more joy!
CA Asama, and is sunk
CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Yakumo
DD No. 6
DD No. 8
DD No. 12, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD No. 16, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Orion
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 1 – hey one whole hit in that round!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BB Monarch
DD Yarra
DD Verdun
DD Vidette
DD Vimy
DD Violent

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Sub attack at 45,43

Japanese Ships
BB Fuji, Torpedo hits 1, on fire as it limps back to base……
DD No. 8
DD No. 6

Allied Ships
SS K-2

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Sub attack at 43,43

Japanese Ships
BB Katori, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage also limping back to base

Allied Ships
SS L-2

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Day Air attack on TF at 38,51
Hey guys them funny plane things are attacking us! Whoever thought they’d be any use?
Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF1 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 6
Sopwith Cuckoo x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Hosho

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Taytay at 39,53


Allied aircraft
Fairey IIID x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Fairey IIID: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Yuru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 38,51

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF1 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 5
Sopwith Cuckoo x 5
Fairey IIID x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Iwate
CV Hosho

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet
3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi
CL Tsushima
CL Tsugaru
DD Tsubaki
DD Kuwa
DD Nowaki
DD Mikazuki

Allied Ships
DD Valkyrie
DD Vanisttart
DD Venomous
DD Verity, Shell hits 1
DD Veteran
DD Volunteer
DD Wanderer
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed
DD Wild Swan
DD Witherington

Just from interest I counted up how many hits each side got this turn on the other’s ships…..

Japan – 33 plus 1 torp
Allied – 52 plus 1 torp

Okay how would you handle the situation… this is my response


TF57 formed at TayTay under Yamata. 4xCA 4xCL 8xDD. Looks like a force approaching from North West.

TF1 is retiring to rearm and refuel, at least it hasn’t been badly damaged.

I am relying on my subs now to spot and damage him as he inevitably senses a major strategic victory.

DD Tfs are readied at all Formosan ports to resist what is likely to be raids by his ships.

A shame TayTay doesn’t have an airfield yet, I could deploy my torpedo bombers there and cause his advancing fleet some problems.

All in all its about how confident String is now, he knows that my ships have been badly damaged – he probably has a pretty low opinion of my ability (he’s not the only one) but he just may be wary as he’s seen how the combats can be quite unpredicatable.

So, a waiting game?

Ps I got really annoyed with all the html stuff to colour the text - so I thought if I did it in Word and copied it across it might keep its formatting - it didn't. Anyone know a way of doing this other than coding each line.... snore. I hate straight text combat reports copied... but life's too short to code everything.


As usual a map for those like me who prefer visuals.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 4:03:56 PM   
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My sympathies on those sunk ships. Keep up the fight though, you never know when the dice will break your way!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 4:12:47 PM   
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My sympathies on those sunk ships. Keep up the fight though, you never know when the dice will break your way!


That will always be my hope.... even if its the last sub afloat!

Its very interesting, if very frustrating. I have learned many things this way - reading manuals the words just go in one eye and out again.

I think I rushed in too quickly, I should have assembled my fleet more carefully and put the best possible commander in charge.

I also see that CLs, unlike in WITP cannot just charge around and cause mayhem.

Subs can be lethal!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 11/26/2005 4:48:51 PM   
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he probably has a pretty low opinion of my ability (he’s not the only one)

Do not say that, Sting and us know perfectly that we have absolutely no control over how things are going in any naval battles... We can't reproach you with having crappy ships or captains, can we? ;)

But it worries me a little about the Kaigun efficiency in this game... Is the japanese player starting the Jutland scenario with little experience for his ships? Shouldn't it be raised a little and be over the british ships' one because of the prior invasion of Philippines and the probable fights that occured with the US Navy?

btw I was surprised by your last screenshot. I needed a second to realize that the colour of the flag at Cam Ranh Bay was because of your colored layer - thought it had been invaded by Belgium. :D

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