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Admiral DadMan -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/28/2005 9:26:41 PM)
The Atheism Web Logic & Fallacies quote: An argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, "a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition."

tsimmonds -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/28/2005 9:45:21 PM)
My personal favorite is the fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion.

denisonh -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 12:06:05 AM)
Go figure..... quote: ORIGINAL: irrelevant My personal favorite is the fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion.

Buck Beach -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 2:36:03 AM)
Shame on him.

Sardaukar -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 2:25:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn Are you speaking for yourself? [:)] Also quilty as charged !! [;)]

doktorblood -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 10:00:20 PM)
My favourite part of reasonable arguement comes in 339 BC, after Athenians vote 280-221 that Sokrates is guilty of impiety. During deliberations about what his fine should be, Sokrates' "reasonble arguements" pissed off the Athenians so bad that they voted 441-60 to just kill him in lieu of a fine!

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 11:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: doktorblood My favourite part of reasonable arguement comes in 339 BC, after Athenians vote 280-221 that Sokrates is guilty of impiety. During deliberations about what his fine should be, Sokrates' "reasonble arguements" pissed off the Athenians so bad that they voted 441-60 to just kill him in lieu of a fine! Yes, That tends to happen when you tell people they're not real smart. Moral: If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

Feinder -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 11:08:43 PM)
quote: Moral: If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. ... [;)] -F-

Mynok -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/29/2005 11:46:00 PM)
I'm baffled that pasternakski hasn't showed up yet....... [:D]

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/30/2005 1:42:43 AM)
You're not paying strict attention. Our good friend has already generously contributed a ditty and some other choice remarks. (havepatiencemysonandheshallcomeagain)

pasternakski -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/30/2005 1:52:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mynok I'm baffled that pasternakski hasn't showed up yet....... [:D] I'm trying to be nice to TJ. He's not only my pal, he's my hero. Just read what he has to say, believe it, make the sign of the "T" on your abdomen, and thank Ford that no one put alcohol in your decanting jar...

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/30/2005 2:07:00 AM)
(soendeththelesson)

Banquet -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/30/2005 3:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn Not that you would or could appreciate that, but as long as we're pointing out "niceties" today. . . . © Tristanjohn News Syndicate 2005 Ah, TJ is back. The wandering eye of the preacher man once more casts his gaze in our direction.. We lucky few..

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/30/2005 8:19:26 PM)
Yeah, it's often "me against them" as it were, and you wanna know something? All things considered I kinda like it that way. [:)]

mogami -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/30/2005 8:44:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn Yeah, it's often "me against them" as it were, and you wanna know something? All things considered I kinda like it that way. [:)] Hi, That needed no admission on your part. We kinda figured that out months ago.

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 2:10:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mogami quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn Yeah, it's often "me against them" as it were, and you wanna know something? All things considered I kinda like it that way. [:)] Hi, That needed no admission on your part. We kinda figured that out months ago. If so (and I strongly doubt you comprehend the "why" of that dynamic) that might well be one of the few things "you" figured out months ago, for as far as I can tell the same silly arguments are still being forwarded to support the same silly points of view around here held by the same old crowd, almost as if education were a dirty word.

pasternakski -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 5:15:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn almost as if education were a dirty word. It's not? I mean, in the 21st century, it's not? Shoot. I thought self-actualization and globalized values (not to mention using "-ize" words, which are so much fun, and convey so much meaning) were the only clean things we had. Congratulations, my friend, on knowing when to use the hypothetical mood verb form. There can't be more than 10,000 users of the English language who remember that (and far fewer know why it matters).

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 6:21:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn almost as if education were a dirty word. It's not? I mean, in the 21st century, it's not? Shoot. I thought self-actualization and globalized values (not to mention using "-ize" words, which are so much fun, and convey so much meaning) were the only clean things we had. Congratulations, my friend, on knowing when to use the hypothetical mood verb form. There can't be more than 10,000 users of the English language who remember that (and far fewer know why it matters). It seemed when I was growing up that about half of all sentences started with "Ummm. . . ." Nowadays I hear "Obviously. . . " preface about half of all sentences," with an occasional "Ummm--obviously . . ." sprinkled in, possibly just to break the boredom, possibly to encourage the optimists out here to believe at least some people have not totally neglected their history.

Skyros -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 6:11:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn almost as if education were a dirty word. It's not? I mean, in the 21st century, it's not? Shoot. I thought self-actualization and globalized values (not to mention using "-ize" words, which are so much fun, and convey so much meaning) were the only clean things we had. Congratulations, my friend, on knowing when to use the hypothetical mood verb form. There can't be more than 10,000 users of the English language who remember that (and far fewer know why it matters). It seemed when I was growing up that about half of all sentences started with "Ummm. . . ." Nowadays I hear "Obviously. . . " preface about half of all sentences," with an occasional "Ummm--obviously . . ." sprinkled in, possibly just to break the boredom, possibly to encourage the optimists out here to believe at least some people have not totally neglected their history. You forgot, Like you know...like she said...like I was going to do that!

pasternakski -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 8:36:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn It seemed when I was growing up that about half of all sentences started with "Ummm. . . ." Nowadays I hear "Obviously. . . " preface about half of all sentences," with an occasional "Ummm--obviously . . ." sprinkled in, possibly just to break the boredom, possibly to encourage the optimists out here to believe at least some people have not totally neglected their history. Ah, yes, the poor man's offhand citation to authority. "Obviously we could of won in Vietnam if we wanted to." As an undergraduate, I used to enjoy the rich man's offhand citation to authority, uttered by a professorial type (not always a professor), starting with "Clearly," and containing a fluttering hand gesture reminiscent of the one used by those slutty-looking models on "The Price Is Right" presenting merchandise for bids (but, clearly, that's another story). The best one I ever heard, though, was in law school: "Clearly," (fluttering hand gesture) law is an interpenetrating medley of social and cultural medians and mores without specific design, but exacting particular effect, on the sociocultural environment in which they, and it, exist, evolve, and are applied to arising and emergent issues." There were dozens of people in the room, and not one had thought to bring a gun that day.

scout1 -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 9:06:43 PM)
Apparently, this thread has NOTHING to do with dealing with a woman. Logic and Reasonable Argument will get you about as far as is did Sokrates. May be considered sexist, but it IS based on experience .....

Skyros -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 9:58:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski The best one I ever heard, though, was in law school: Oh how this explains so much[:D]

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 11:33:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scout1 Apparently, this thread has NOTHING to do with dealing with a woman. Logic and Reasonable Argument will get you about as far as is did Sokrates. May be considered sexist, but it IS based on experience ..... You'll find no argument here. [8D]

Tristanjohn -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 11:35:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Skyros quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski The best one I ever heard, though, was in law school: Oh how this explains so much[:D] We don't really want to go there, do we?

ctangus -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (12/31/2005 11:58:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn almost as if education were a dirty word. Congratulations, my friend, on knowing when to use the hypothetical mood verb form. There can't be more than 10,000 users of the English language who remember that (and far fewer know why it matters). I despair that the subjunctive be taught once again. [;)]

pasternakski -> RE: Logic and Reasonable Argument (1/1/2006 2:18:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctangus quote: ORIGINAL: pasternakski quote: ORIGINAL: Tristanjohn almost as if education were a dirty word. Congratulations, my friend, on knowing when to use the hypothetical mood verb form. There can't be more than 10,000 users of the English language who remember that (and far fewer know why it matters). I despair that the subjunctive be taught once again. [;)] Don't make me pull the pluperfect out on ya, son.

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