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GordoNZ -> Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 2:08:04 AM)

Hi I am playing as Japan against AI in the May 42 scenario and have now played 6 months. So far in the greater Asian region (Buma to and including China, Japan) there has been no clear days, about 6 -10 overcast days and the rest have been Rain or Thunderstorms. With Thunderstorms in place about 70 - 80% of the time.

I would hate to see what there rainy season is going to be like. Dec - March

Whats going on?[&:]



dpstafford -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 3:15:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GordoNZ

Whats going on?[&:]

While it would be nice to see the weather dry some up in the Burma-India region, what has actually dried up is Matrix' support for the game.



jwilkerson -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 4:04:31 AM)

Sure ! Didn't you hear about Noah-wu-hong's Junk [:D][:D][:D]

Ah .. a piece of the answer we've heard is that the weather die roll is apparently modified by the earlier results .. so you can get "stuck" at the "rainy" edge and I've had this happen in at least one of my games ...with Scholl ... maybe he'll comment publicly regarding his thoughts !



el cid again -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 9:10:09 AM)

Actually there was massive flooding in China. It was not caused by the weather - but by the destruction (and lack of maintenance) on the canal/dyke system. As I recall, millions of people died, directly, or indirectly (from starvation). This was a political act, done to hurt the invading Japanese. Just because our Chinese allies were against Japan does not mean they were nice - even to Chinese peasants!



Mr.Frag -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 4:03:24 PM)

Too bad we didn't add monsoons ... thunderstorms are just so passive ... you might want to read up on Japan's burma campaign before complaining about how easy you have it with *just* rain.

Japan stopped because of the weather, not because of the Allies [;)]



Mike Scholl -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 5:37:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Too bad we didn't add monsoons ... thunderstorms are just so passive ... you might want to read up on Japan's burma campaign before complaining about how easy you have it with *just* rain.

Japan stopped because of the weather, not because of the Allies [;)]


In Burma, BOTH sides stopped during the Monsoon throughout the entire war. But in the Game, the weather results are just hokey. In my game with Wilkerson, I started keeping track of how many "clear" results there were on the entire map (9 zones) After 25 days, and 6 "clear" results total, I got disgusted and stopped looking. Apparently whomever designed the "Weather System" didn't realize that "clear and sunny" is a type of "weather"



Nikademus -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 9:30:53 PM)

Monsoon would have been nice. like 90% chance of mission scrub or not finding the target, reduce all movement by like 80% depending on hex type....and reduce supply trace by 50 - 90% based on hex type. Up fatigue in non rail hexes for LCU's ...... Listen to the sound of gears screeching to a halt. [;)]



bradfordkay -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 9:35:21 PM)

Also, Frag, if you want to implement the monsoon, we'd be happy - because it occurs only half the year. The other half of the year, the chance for clear weather is much higher in the monsoon regions than we have in WITP...



Mr.Frag -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/16/2006 9:46:46 PM)

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Also, Frag, if you want to implement the monsoon, we'd be happy - because it occurs only half the year.


You mean the other half the year, it just rains without the wind?



Andrew Brown -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/17/2006 1:24:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
You mean the other half the year, it just rains without the wind?


Definitely not. Here is a charts showing rainfall in Mandalay on a monthly basis. Note that there is a huge difference between the rainfall in the Southwest monsoon season (May - Oct/Nov) and the rest of the year (dry Northeast monsoon):



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Andrew Brown -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/17/2006 1:25:02 AM)

Another chart for Rangoon, showing the same pattern:



[image]local://upfiles/1061/DEBC6EE83E3840C69326CCFA516FB64D.gif[/image]



el cid again -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/17/2006 3:32:17 AM)

In much of this area the "roads" have no proper foundations. But roads WITH proper foundations (as in Malaya) and railroads continue to function. The monsoon makes it hard to hear, hard to move (except on major communications lines), significantly harder to see, and a lot of things are subject to water damage. A better weather model would be nice: Japan needs a lot more clouds; the Aleutians need almost universal fog; and SE Asia needs monsoon seasons (wet and dry).



Mike Scholl -> RE: Were there massive floods in Asia in 42? (1/17/2006 5:07:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

Another chart for Rangoon, showing the same pattern:



[image]local://upfiles/1061/DEBC6EE83E3840C69326CCFA516FB64D.gif[/image]



And if you look at a chart for Khota Baru it's almost exactly opposite. Burma is hit by the SW Monsoon over the Summer (in our eyes), and the Malayian Coast is hit by the NE Monsoon during the Winter. And as soon as that sodden air hits any kind of mountains, it starts dumping rain. Which is why you see hardly any development along the Eastern Coast of Malasia..., it washes away in 3-400 inches of rain every winter. A computer SHOULD be capable of modeling such things, but apparently 2by3 didn't try.



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