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Erik Rutins -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (3/31/2006 4:24:52 PM)

Thanks for your help on this Antmeister. I'm frankly stumped regarding why this error is happening at this point.

Though it seems unrelated, you might try switching from the Omega drivers to the latest official 6.3 Catalyst Mobility drivers from www.ati.com after running Driver Cleaner Pro. One odd thing I noticed is that your reported Monitor Max Res is 640x480, even though it's actually running at 1024 x 768. I wish we could get you a set of updated Sound drivers as the 2002 date on those still has me suspicious that they could be causing problems. Have you tried adjusting your sound acceleration setting in DxDiag or disabling your sound device completely to see if that helps the game at all? I see a lot of Roxio stuff installed, is that a package you could easily enough try uninstalling without losing major work, then reinstall if removing it doesn't help?

Regards,

- Erik



DirkGildun -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (3/31/2006 9:00:09 PM)

Antmeister,

Running the MDAC Component Checker shows that I have MDAC 2.8 SP1 installed on my laptop (which I suspected).
That KnowledgeBase entry is interesting that it associates the Error Message with Access. What if you don't have Access installed?

Erik,

The official ATI Catalyst 6.3 drivers do not support the video card that I have (Radeon Mobility 9000). That's why I have to use the Omega Drivers version instead.
The Roxio stuff is Easy CD Creator, PhotoSuite, VideoWave, etc., software. I wouldn't think that would have any impact on Maximum-Football, and it would be a pain to have to uninstall and reinstall that.
Since MF starts fine on the family laptop (see above post) with even older sound drivers, I don't think my problem is associated with the sound drivers.

I've compared the folders, files, and appropriate registry entries on both laptops, and they're the same for MF.

The family laptop had Windows XP re-installed on a new hard drive from an installation CD that already had SP2, while my laptop had SP2 installed through an update. There are just enough differences that I see in how Windows stuff runs and is presented in either laptop that makes me think the problem is associated with my version of XP.

Which gets me back to my prior question. If I try to re-install XP from the newer installation CD, will it wipe out everything I've done with XP on my laptop over the last 3 years, or is it smart enough not to overwrite newer versions of Windows files that are already there?

Thanks a lot for your help with this, guys! I've been so anxious to play around with MF that I've been pulling my hair out trying to get this resolved.



Antmeister71 -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (3/31/2006 10:16:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DirkGildun

Antmeister,

Running the MDAC Component Checker shows that I have MDAC 2.8 SP1 installed on my laptop (which I suspected).


Well that sucks. You have both the Microsoft Jet Engine and updated MDAC Components.


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That KnowledgeBase entry is interesting that it associates the Error Message with Access. What if you don't have Access installed?


Just try it out, because some of the files in this game were created using Microsoft Access 97 from my understanding. But do you have this same problem opening up TPF or BBCF (if you have it). They also use a similar database and you should be seeing the same problem if this is the case. If not, I don't know what the heck is going on in your case.

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Which gets me back to my prior question. If I try to re-install XP from the newer installation CD, will it wipe out everything I've done with XP on my laptop over the last 3 years, or is it smart enough not to overwrite newer versions of Windows files that are already there?


If you are going to do this, it would be best to do a fresh install. So before you were to do that, I would save all my work on an external drive, CD, or DVD if you have that capability.

If your email is important to you as well, and you are using outlook, use these methods to back it up:
http://www.sitedeveloper.ws/tutorials/outlook.htm

If you use Thunderbird or SeaMonkey instead of outlook, use this software to backup your emails:
http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/

Or and don't forget to save your bookmarks.

Good luck.



DirkGildun -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (4/3/2006 6:38:24 AM)

Good news for everyone who has tried to help me with this. I finally got MF to work on my laptop by re-installing Windows XP (from a newer installation CD) over my existing version.

Last night, after an hour of installation, an hour or so of activation (including a conversation with a Microsoft Customer Rep involving a bad Product Key [8|]), and 3 hours downloading and installing 41 updates to XP, I had a better version of XP installed without losing all of my old settings and applications.

And, more importantly, MF starts up fine now! On to the games! [sm=00000436.gif]



David Winter -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (4/3/2006 6:56:18 AM)

Wow.. I'm really sorry there were so many problems you had to reinstall windows to make it work. I'm pretty sure there was obviously something very unusual about your set up though. I don't recall anyone else having to go to that much effort.

That said, I'm glad you find the game interesting enough to go through that hassle..



Magnum357 -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (4/3/2006 10:40:37 AM)

This makes me wonder about another question, has anyone ever tried playing MaxFB with Windows 98 SE? I have my copy of MaxFB installed on WinXP, but I actually prefer Win98 more and wondered if anyone has had success or problems installing on that OS.



Erik Rutins -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (4/3/2006 6:33:11 PM)

The installer and the game do work fine with our Windows 98 SE test system here. Heck, getting it working on Win98 SE was one of the reasons the release was held up.

Regards,

- Erik



adamandevil -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/28/2006 7:30:58 AM)

I recently bought MF and I'm having the *same exact problem*. Also, I've tried everything you've suggested, including the microsoft updates. Nothing has worked. Tried registering every DAO dll I could find. No amount of patching, rolling back, uninstalling, reinstalling, or rebooting has helped, and I am not at all interested in reinstalling Windows. I had Office 2k3 Pro installed, and uninstalled it thinking that it was an Access problem - no luck.

Also had this same problem with the PureSim Baseball demo.

Attached is my dxdiag info.

Thanks,
Adam



Marauders -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/28/2006 10:20:01 AM)

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I recently bought MF and I'm having the *same exact problem*. Also, I've tried everything you've suggested, including the microsoft updates. Nothing has worked. Tried registering every DAO dll I could find. No amount of patching, rolling back, uninstalling, reinstalling, or rebooting has helped, and I am not at all interested in reinstalling Windows. I had Office 2k3 Pro installed, and uninstalled it thinking that it was an Access problem - no luck.


It has been a while since I had to run through this, but I use Windows 98SE, and the game works fine. As Erik stated, there was quite a bit of testing with Windows 98SE prior to public release.

One thing I recall is that the NVidia Drivers had a few problems if updated to the most current version for older cards like the FX 5200 Ultra. I had to regress my driver. I had a similar problem with Everquest some time ago.



adamandevil -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/28/2006 4:53:36 PM)

I'm thinking more and more that this is a missing or corrupt file problem, since this game apparently works on many more machines that it does not work on.

I checked the redist\GameCom folder and that looks like it only installs some video codecs; nothing to do with database access.

I have also confirmed that the dll files mentioned above are installed and registered by walking through the registry.

For anyone else who has this problem, I would suggest first downloading the MDAC component checker and making sure everything is in order, as I'm doing now. What would really be helpful is to find a machine that the game works on, and comparing the MDAC checker results to compare mismatches.

Adam



adamandevil -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/28/2006 9:02:49 PM)

Absolutely nothing thus far has worked. So I tried the repair option from Windows XP Setup (not recovery console, this is when you're about to format the drive and it asks you if you want to repair the volume), and now the game works.

Who knows what else is broken now, though. oh well.

Adam



David Winter -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/29/2006 7:55:40 PM)

Does your copy of puresim baseball also work? If so, then I definately feel it was a Windows problem. I would like very much to find out what caused this on the one or two machines that people have been reporting it on, but without having those machines at my disposal that's pretty much impossible (especially after they've been fixed). For now, the only known solution is to do what you have done. Which so far, has worked on both the problematic machines.



adamandevil -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/29/2006 9:26:37 PM)

Somehow I knew you'd ask that.  I had deleted the PureSim demo it a few days ago.  I'll try it tonight and let you know what I find out.  I'm willing to bet it works fine.  It sure looks like a Windows problem to me, since only a handful of people seem to be experiencing it.

What would really be interesting is to know exactly which files were missing or corrupt.  I went through MDAC checker and DLL Dump hell for an hour.  MDAC checker didn't really find any errors; just a couple mismatched files.  Also a registry entry which was missing altogether.  Replacing the mismatched files didn't help, and as soon as I replaced them with the correct versions, XP wanted to download an update presumably to roll them forward again.

Keep in mind that I didn't exactly re-install the whole OS - I repaired it.  It takes just as long as a standard XP install, about 30 minutes on a decent machine.  This is only available on XP as far as I know.  All it seems to do is re-install the core OS files, but I can't guarantee that it won't completely hose anyone's machine.



adamandevil -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/30/2006 1:18:56 AM)

The PureSim 2007 demo works fine now.

Adam



David Winter -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (5/30/2006 8:09:53 PM)

Cool.



Jeremy7679 -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (6/28/2006 8:48:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: adamandevil

Absolutely nothing thus far has worked. So I tried the repair option from Windows XP Setup (not recovery console, this is when you're about to format the drive and it asks you if you want to repair the volume), and now the game works.

Who knows what else is broken now, though. oh well.

Adam

When you do this, does this mean you have reformat the hard drive and erase everything? Because Ive had this porblem as well and I really don't want to lose everything on my computer.



DirkGildun -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (6/28/2006 8:13:15 PM)

I didn't re-format my hard drive. I just re-installed XP over the version that was there (with whatever was corrupted), and everything came out fine. All of my settings and applications remained intact.

The only downside that I encountered was having to re-download and re-install the dozens of updates to XP that had been issued since the my XP installation CD had been created. That took approx. 4 hours (with a 56K modem).



Marauders -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (6/28/2006 9:42:04 PM)

Windows get corrupted from time to time.  Even Microsoft recommend re-installing the operating system from time to time, but it is a pain in the butt to do it with all of the updates.



Jeremy7679 -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (7/6/2006 3:05:56 AM)

I had ordered the digital download + the Shipped CD. When the CD came, I unistalled the digital download version and installed from the CD and everything seems to work. Apparantly, the problem was with the download version. Thought you may like to know.



David Winter -> RE: RTE's After Initial Install (7/6/2006 4:10:53 AM)

Hmm.. that's a bit strange... we'll look into it.



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