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m10bob -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 7:34:35 AM)

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(Mime bashing??? Where the bleep did that come from?)


I was wondering the same thing??
Maybe "mime" means something else in Canada??[:D]



Ron Saueracker -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 8:06:44 AM)

I don't know anyone who likes mimes. Frisco is a hotbed for the mute little artistic punters is it not? Lots of "those people who like to parade their sexual deviances" = lots of those chalk faced puffs.[;)]



ChezDaJez -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 9:40:07 AM)

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Rota was a great place to be at 13-15 <<sigh>>


It was an equally great place to be a young, single twenty-something year old sailor! [&o]

At least until the Gator Navy pulled in![:-]

Chez



FeurerKrieg -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 9:56:34 AM)

As a Bay area resident (Fremont, CA) I was very much pissed about the Iowa thing. I wish I lived in the SF city limis just so I could at least put my one vote against those clowns.



dtravel -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 10:43:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I don't know anyone who likes mimes. Frisco is a hotbed for the mute little artistic punters is it not?


Uh, nope. All the "residentially challenged citizens" scared them away years and years ago.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 1:49:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dtravel


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I don't know anyone who likes mimes. Frisco is a hotbed for the mute little artistic punters is it not?


Uh, nope. All the "residentially challenged citizens" scared them away years and years ago.


Dirtied someone elses yard ,eh? Frigging leaf blowers![:D]



m10bob -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 5:04:54 PM)

Living in the midwest, my personal knowledge of Frisco is the one I saw in the movies..."Bullitt", old Bogart films, etc, but some friends of mine tell me how entire neighborhoods of filth and vermin have been allowed to "ooze" out, old neighborhoods like Castro and the Mission district..Real shame.
Anytime deviance is accepted under a new label like "lifestyle", its' never a good thing.....
Have fun now...There IS a day coming...........



Terminus -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 7:52:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Living in the midwest, my personal knowledge of Frisco is the one I saw in the movies..."Bullitt", old Bogart films, etc, but some friends of mine tell me how entire neighborhoods of filth and vermin have been allowed to "ooze" out, old neighborhoods like Castro and the Mission district..Real shame.
Anytime deviance is accepted under a new label like "lifestyle", its' never a good thing.....
Have fun now...There IS a day coming...........


Let's keep the politics to a low roar, shall we? Better for the forum that way...



m10bob -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 9:18:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Terminus


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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Living in the midwest, my personal knowledge of Frisco is the one I saw in the movies..."Bullitt", old Bogart films, etc, but some friends of mine tell me how entire neighborhoods of filth and vermin have been allowed to "ooze" out, old neighborhoods like Castro and the Mission district..Real shame.
Anytime deviance is accepted under a new label like "lifestyle", its' never a good thing.....
Have fun now...There IS a day coming...........


Let's keep the politics to a low roar, shall we? Better for the forum that way...


Boy, oh boy...We try to have a nice conversation about a city in WITP, discussing different forms of supply and personell matters, and somebody always has to mention "politics"!![sm=00000280.gif][sm=comp16.gif]

(Lurks off...trying to look innocent)....[8|]



dtravel -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/6/2006 9:46:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker


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ORIGINAL: dtravel


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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I don't know anyone who likes mimes. Frisco is a hotbed for the mute little artistic punters is it not?


Uh, nope. All the "residentially challenged citizens" scared them away years and years ago.


Dirtied someone elses yard ,eh? Frigging leaf blowers![:D]



"Dirtied someone elses yard" would have been a massive improvement. Civic Center Plaza is right in the middle of all the area where all the city's government buildings are and is directly in front of City Hall. A few years ago the local news programs were reporting, complete with pixilated video from mid-day, on how the homeless in the plaza were routinely using the fountain in the center as their toilet.

I am all for diversity and tolerance, but not all "lifestyles" are equal. [8|]



Ursa MAior -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 9:21:55 AM)

Not exactly, Frisco, or Cabot but a famous CV.

Does anyone know why on earth they scrapped the big E?




Terminus -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 11:47:34 AM)

Because "carriers weren't needed anymore", all that was needed were nukes...



Ursa MAior -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 3:55:20 PM)

That is OK but why they scrapped it instead of mothballing or even keeping as a museum ship like Alabama?



Terminus -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 4:04:04 PM)

Yeah, well... That costs money, and when you're not in a hot war, you don't get unlimited budgets. Plus, again, the money had to be split three ways after 1947: the US Army, the US Navy and the US Air Force with their nuclear bombers.



Nikademus -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 4:51:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

That is OK but why they scrapped it instead of mothballing or even keeping as a museum ship like Alabama?


Because the Navy for the most part is not going to foot the bill for the preservation. That has to come from private sources and there wasn't a whole lot of enthusiasm for such in the early years after WWII. Most people just wanted to forget and move on with their lives. I had an interesting conversation with the currator aboard HMS Warrior about this subject back when i visited England. Needless to say I left the ship with a bit less "fire" in my belly afterwards (though i'll still always lament the fact that all the great Dreadnoughts from the UK are gone.)



Drex -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 5:28:02 PM)

San Francisco has a moth-balled fleet sitting out in the bay. I believe there is at least one CVL or CVE out there. Must be about 20 ships, mostly transport.



Nikademus -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 5:29:09 PM)

Bremerton may have a few too, saw some older looking warships there recently



mlees -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 5:31:28 PM)

The USS Enterprise (CV6) and USS Saratoga (CV3) were very overweight by the end of WW2 with all the war modifications. Newer, faster, heavier aircraft were on their way, and strengthening the flight decks and catapults would require yet more weight.


It has already been mentioned above, but the use of the Atomic bomb in future wars made a lot of armchair strategists assume that conventional militaries obsolete. (Just what the penny pinching poloticians like to hear. "Let's divert defense spending to my pet project instead!")

With an overabundance of Essex types (complete and near complete), it was decided to remove those two from active duty.

There was an attempt to save the Big-E as a museum or monument by private citizens, but sufficient money could not be raised. (The Sara was a target in the Bikini Atoll Abomb tests, along with Nevada, Pennsylvania, Nagato, Prinz Eugen, among others.)

If I may speculate, the public was not in the mood for monuments. The war was brutal, many families suffered personal losses, many veterans suffered disfigurements, and European cities devastated (along with rumors of the "final solution" horror). The American public wanted to "move on" and return to peacetime pursuits of happiness, and avoid reopening old emotional wounds.



mlees -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 5:32:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Bremerton may have a few too, saw some older looking warships there recently


I served on the USS Ranger (CV61) in the eighties. That ship is now mothballed in Bremerton. *sniff*



Ron Saueracker -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 6:06:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mlees

The USS Enterprise (CV6) and USS Saratoga (CV3) were very overweight by the end of WW2 with all the war modifications. Newer, faster, heavier aircraft were on their way, and strengthening the flight decks and catapults would require yet more weight.


It has already been mentioned above, but the use of the Atomic bomb in future wars made a lot of armchair strategists assume that conventional militaries obsolete. (Just what the penny pinching poloticians like to hear. "Let's divert defense spending to my pet project instead!")

With an overabundance of Essex types (complete and near complete), it was decided to remove those two from active duty.

There was an attempt to save the Big-E as a museum or monument by private citizens, but sufficient money could not be raised. (The Sara was a target in the Bikini Atoll Abomb tests, along with Nevada, Pennsylvania, Nagato, Prinz Eugen, among others.)

If I may speculate, the public was not in the mood for monuments. The war was brutal, many families suffered personal losses, many veterans suffered disfigurements, and European cities devastated (along with rumors of the "final solution" horror). The American public wanted to "move on" and return to peacetime pursuits of happiness, and avoid reopening old emotional wounds.


I personally think they just f--ked up. There are too many redundant ships and museums all around the States from the same scrapping frenzy of '59 for the "mood of the public" to be singled out as the cause of her demise.



Nikademus -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 6:08:22 PM)

The desire to "move on" and "cut costs" can be further exclamation pointed by the massive decline/demobilization and decay of the US armed forces between 1945 and 1950, which helped lead directly to the setbacks and disasters that befell us in Korea.




Feinder -> RE: WW2 CVL Cabot survives!! (4/7/2006 9:06:40 PM)

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San Francisco has a moth-balled fleet sitting out in the bay. I believe there is at least one CVL or CVE out there. Must be about 20 ships, mostly transport.


Google Earth pic...?

-F-



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