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Capt. Harlock -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/16/2006 5:47:45 AM)
quote: Hate to be gloomy but no spitfires, no rn, no chance. Look back at ADavidB's aar w/ PzB, it may give you a good idea as to what his oob was and how it compares to yours. From Nemo's AAR, the first rounds have gone to the Allies. When airfields are trying to neutralize each other, the 4E bombers are tough to beat.

itsjustme -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/16/2006 6:38:13 AM)
Interesting that he would infer that. Here's the situation in Karachi. I have 2 64 squadrons of LB-30's and 2 48 squadrons of B-17Es. In addition I have wellingtons and hudsons galore. I closed Bombay for sure. Now he has relocated to Ahmabad (sp?). He has about 400 fighters there. The first attack was a draw. I killed about 100 fighters and damaged about another 100. Problem is that my 4e morale is in the tank. I don't have any choice but to keep flying them to try and close that base. If I can do that, I should be able to hold air supremacy for another couple of weeks while waiting on aviation reinforcements. I managed to ship in a division of Aussie troops and to evac an indian brigade from southern india right under his nose (he caught the evac TF, but everything went towards obliterating the MSW escort and the transport got away clean). Additionally, I get a new UK division and an additional indian division tomorrow. That should put me at over 18,000 av. He might take Karachi, but its going to be incredibly bloody. What is interesting is now that he's gotten this far, I don't think he has a choice but to take Karachi. He' can't afford the amount of troops it would take to pin me up. I know his plans are bigger than that. I've got additional fighters about 2 days out from being shipped in. I am comitting a ton of forces to this front, but don't really see a choice.

veji1 -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/16/2006 10:42:10 AM)
I guess the whole point is winning the air war... Since Karachi is a port, if he wins it and manages to close the airfield, whatever the cost may be for him, then he can keep bombarding from the air and nuke you with the battleline... Then it is just a question of committing all he's got to the assault... His troops will be broken for awhile, but I guess it is worth it... If you manage not to lose the air war, he can't take, it, except by risking the battleline... The main difference with the Chungking situation players often face is that KArachi is a port, if if wasn't, you'd be secure...

Sneer -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/16/2006 10:49:34 AM)
and there is something i learnt in my PBEM few assaults that do not go right for him may push his inf morale down and when under 40 units start refusing attacking with all that units in Karachi there must lots of eng squads - so even damaged heavily it si repaired very quickly i think that unless Nemo risk Battleline under KB umbrella it will be difficult to him to win this war it is main RN task - do not let airfield nuked - even if they are going to die all what is supply situation ? what is eng units number ?

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/16/2006 10:06:30 PM)
quote: it is main RN task - do not let airfield nuked - even if they are going to die all I strongly agree with that idea -- if you lose air superiority you will lose India. But from my review of the AAR, there just isn't enough of the RN left to oppose the battleline backed by the KB. I would lay lots of mines, have submarine assets in the area, and of course make sure you have squadrons for anti-IJN missions. Also, you might want to make some demonstrations in the Central Pacific so Nemo cannot afford to divert all of his carrier power to the Indian Ocean.

anarchyintheuk -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/16/2006 10:53:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: it is main RN task - do not let airfield nuked - even if they are going to die all there just isn't enough of the RN left to oppose the battleline backed by the KB. That was the reasoning behind my assessment. Defending Karachi shows the complete interdependence of air power and battleline in WitP. Although in rl only airpower mattered.

itsjustme -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 4:11:10 AM)
Supply and fuel are full, 999,999 each. 18 engineer and base units in Karachi. About 1800 base AV in place with lvl 8 forts (his first attack took them down to 8) but they are about 50% back to lvl 9. Everything is 100 prep points for Karachi.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 4:10:04 PM)
quote: About 1800 base AV in place with lvl 8 forts Was that 1800 or 18,000? (One of your previous posts said you were getting an extra UK division.) Also, do you have enough guns for an artillery duel?

aztez -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 4:56:47 PM)
An 1800 assault points is not going to stop him that is 100% certainty. I would say that you need more than 3000 assault points and even than you are going to have tough times holding Karachi.

itsjustme -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 5:20:22 PM)
Well, the adjusted AV is @ 18,000 when you adjust for prep points, HQ bonuses, urban bonus and fort levels. He's losing between 5-10k troops per assault. His last assault didn't budge the fort level. He's going to need air superiority to win this fight. That said, he may get it. He is stopping my 4Es cold right now because their morale is just completely in the tank. I'm afraid to rest them lest he catch them all on the ground with his bombers.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 7:22:29 PM)
hiya would you mind asking nemo to carry on his side of the AAR please, or has your defence of karachi depressed him too much [;)].. It has been a cracking game you two are having and i like nemos detailed analysis , although i suspect his plans may have been de-railed a bit [:D][:D]

itsjustme -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 7:37:02 PM)
I will certainly pass it along to him. I think real life has just caught up with him a bit as his turns have slowed a bit of the last few days. I am sure his reports will be back up soon. Life keeps me from posting regularly, but here is the combat report from the most recent turn. Hopefully this will keep you entertained until Nemo returns. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/14/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1064 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36) Allied Ships MSW Quatsino Japanese ground losses: 50 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ahmadabad , at 24,8 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 A6M3 Zero x 6 Ki-27 Nate x 15 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 1 Blenheim I x 12 Blenheim IV x 18 Wellington III x 20 Beaufort V-IX x 6 P-40B Tomahawk x 1 P-40E Warhawk x 9 B-26B Marauder x 35 B-17E Fortress x 22 LB-30 Liberator x 23 IL-4c x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 11 damaged Ki-27 Nate: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed Blenheim I: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged Blenheim IV: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged Wellington III: 7 damaged Beaufort V-IX: 6 destroyed P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed B-26B Marauder: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged LB-30 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged IL-4c: 1 damaged You can see that I've got plenty of 4E's but their morale is in the tank. I've raise the ceiling for their next run. I can't stop trying to hit his airfields as I can't risk letting him put in a coordinated attack on Karachi and catching everything on the Ground. I've just shipped in about 60 new kittyhawks. Hopefully this will be a nasty surprise for his craft as my hurris are decimated. Suggestions on what to do to get the effectiveness of my 4Es back up are welcome. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32 Japanese aircraft Ki-27 Nate x 27 Ki-48 Lily x 122 Ki-15 Babs x 5 Allied aircraft I-153c x 1 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged Allied aircraft losses I-153c: 1 destroyed Allied ground losses: 43 casualties reported Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 64 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 13 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 17 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 15 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 16000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 45 Ki-49 Helen x 26 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 66 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77 Allied aircraft Catalina I x 3 Hudson I x 20 Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Port hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet His guys at Koepang are really taking a beating. I've got two Aussie divisions at Derby and am trying to decide if I really want to take a shot at koepang. Recon shows about 10,000 troops ashore there, but whatever coastal guns he has have been brutalized. Last turn showed port damage up to @80 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 45,35 Japanese aircraft Ki-27 Nate x 32 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 81st PA Division, at 42,58 Japanese aircraft A5M4 Claude x 30 D3A Val x 32 B5N Kate x 52 Ki-27 Nate x 75 Ki-51 Sonia x 19 Ki-15 Babs x 2 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 136 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 24 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 9 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 23 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 6 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 18 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 6 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 6 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 20 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 20 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 20 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 6 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 98,36 Allied aircraft Blenheim I x 12 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AP Tatuho Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet Nemo knows I am coming for some of his alaskan holdings and is trying to forestall that. I don't mind him stretching those resources a little further. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 23,47 Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 5352 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 55 Defending force 1850 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Karachi Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 2212 troops, 88 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2292 Defending force 183079 troops, 1259 guns, 250 vehicles, Assault Value = 2699 Japanese ground losses: 130 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 Here you can see the most recent artillery barrage. I have 4 arty units at karachi and they are the only ones bombarding so as to keep everyone else fresh.

ny59giants -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/17/2006 9:42:51 PM)
If you have enough replacements for your heavy bombers, you might start rotating them to get 2 or 3 days of stand down to help their morale and fatigue recover. Or set them on "Naval Attack and Rest" with a short range so only a close TF is attacked. I image he is rotating his planes in and out and you have to try to do what you can with only one base.

itsjustme -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 12:03:43 AM)
I am afraid that Karachi is doomed. The RAF has been shattered, the airbase is closed and I have begun pulling the 4Es with the range out of Karachi into the Soviet Union. Karachi has all the supply it can handle and lvl 8 forts, but it is doomed as it will not be able to resist the battleline when it comes calling. In retrospect, I wish I had shipped some CD units in with the Aussie division. That might have been a nasty surprise. Moreover, my engineers are too busy repairing the runways to build the fort level back to 9. I expect it will take a long time to reduce Karachi, but I think the end result is a foregone conclusion. Another thing I should have done was to stand down my bomber forces when I closed bombay. At the time I was concerned about them getting caught on the ground, but in retrospect, I should have taken the chance. The war is rapidly becoming what Nemo wants it to be: Closer to a single front war. In a last ditch effort, the remains of the RN and several dutch and aussie naval units sailed into the teeth of the IJN surface fleet to attempt to put a dent in the Battleline, therefore making it less effective against Karachi. I do not believe I was successful and the vast majority of the surface assets were lost. A small task force of 2 british CVs a couple of DDs and CAs is now making for the safety of Perth. Given that Nemo knows I was shipping units in from australia, I expect to meet some opposition. Here is the most recent AAR. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/19/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1027 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36) Allied Ships MSW Guysborough MSW Caraquet PG Vancouver -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 4, on fire BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 2 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2 CA Haguro, Shell hits 1 CA Nachi, Shell hits 4 CA Mogami, Shell hits 1 CA Aoba, Shell hits 2 CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 5 CA Furutaka DD Oyashio DD Hatsukaze DD Natsushio Allied Ships BB Warspite, Shell hits 2, on fire CA Devonshire, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage CL Tromp, Shell hits 1 CL Birmingham, Shell hits 2 CLAA Caledon, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Express, Shell hits 2 DD Griffin DD Hotspur, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Norman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, on fire BB Yamashiro, Torpedo hits 1 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1 CA Haguro CA Nachi CA Mogami CA Aoba, Shell hits 1 CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 1 CA Furutaka DD Oyashio DD Hatsukaze DD Natsushio Allied Ships BB Warspite, on fire CA Devonshire, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CL Tromp, Shell hits 2, on fire CL Birmingham CLAA Caledon, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Express DD Griffin, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Norman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Walrus: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, on fire BB Yamashiro BB Hyuga CA Haguro CA Nachi CA Mogami CA Aoba CA Kinugasa CA Furutaka DD Oyashio DD Hatsukaze DD Natsushio Allied Ships CL Newcastle, Shell hits 25, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Walrus: 4 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage BB Yamashiro BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2 CA Haguro, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage CA Nachi CA Mogami, Shell hits 6 CA Aoba CA Kinugasa CA Furutaka DD Oyashio, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Hatsukaze DD Natsushio Allied Ships BB Warspite, Shell hits 7, on fire CA Devonshire, Shell hits 15, and is sunk CL Tromp, Shell hits 10, on fire CL Birmingham, Shell hits 2, on fire CLAA Caledon, Shell hits 39, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Express, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Griffin, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Norman, Shell hits 2, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1027 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36) Allied Ships MSW Guysborough MSW Caraquet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1035 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36) Allied Ships MSW Kelowna MSW Courtenay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32 Japanese aircraft Ki-27 Nate x 23 Ki-48 Lily x 99 Ki-46-II Dinah x 7 Ki-15 Babs x 14 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged Airbase hits 28 Airbase supply hits 8 Runway hits 120 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 12 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3 Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 10 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 66 Allied aircraft Mohawk IV x 2 Buffalo I x 1 Hurricane II x 6 Kittyhawk I x 3 Blenheim IF x 1 P-40E Warhawk x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 22 destroyed, 22 damaged Allied aircraft losses Mohawk IV: 1 damaged Buffalo I: 1 destroyed Hurricane II: 3 destroyed Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed Blenheim IF: 1 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar strafing at 100 feet 9 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar strafing at 100 feet 5 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar strafing at 100 feet 4 x A6M3 Zero strafing at 100 feet 4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar strafing at 100 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 124 A6M3 Zero x 3 Ki-21 Sally x 170 Ki-49 Helen x 15 Ki-46-II Dinah x 14 Allied aircraft Mohawk IV x 2 Hurricane II x 1 Kittyhawk I x 1 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 35 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Mohawk IV: 10 destroyed Hurricane II: 1 destroyed Kittyhawk I: 8 destroyed Beaufort V-IX: 5 destroyed B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed Dakota I: 5 destroyed Blenheim IV: 9 destroyed LB-30 Liberator: 5 destroyed Wellington III: 2 destroyed B-26B Marauder: 7 destroyed Buffalo I: 3 destroyed PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed Blenheim I: 1 destroyed Swordfish: 1 destroyed Allied ground losses: 155 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Airbase hits 29 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 198 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet Although I am damaging a ton of AC, this level of damage to the Airbase, if consistent is not going to permit any further use of the RAF. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77 Allied aircraft Catalina I x 3 Hudson I x 21 Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 37 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet I'd really like some input here. I have two Aussie divisions at Derby. Both are fully prepped for Koepang and I've significantly degraded the ability of the coastal guns there. However, if I take koepang I will be leaving Derby very very exposed and it is highly possible that he will be able to prevent me from extracting one of those divisions after the invasion for at least some time to come. Thoughts on this are appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on French Frigate Shoal , at 104,68 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 15 No Allied losses Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet 7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 39th Chinese Corps, at 45,35 Japanese aircraft Ki-27 Nate x 32 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 22 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 81st PA Division, at 42,58 Japanese aircraft A5M4 Claude x 35 D3A Val x 152 B5N Kate x 215 Ki-27 Nate x 94 Ki-51 Sonia x 23 Ki-15 Babs x 4 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 144 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 5 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 18 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 5 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 5 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 5 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 18 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 15 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 4 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 15 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 15 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 12 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 10 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 7 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 10 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 10 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 12 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 7 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 10 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 5 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 5 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 9 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet 9 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 6 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 3 x A5M4 Claude bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 5 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet 2 x B5N Kate bombing at 21000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3 Ki-49 Helen x 10 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK Empire Lightning, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 2, on fire AK Empire Summer, Bomb hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Ki-49 Helen attacking at 100 feet 4 x Ki-49 Helen attacking at 100 feet 4 x Ki-49 Helen attacking at 100 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 19,7 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6 Ki-21 Sally x 4 Ki-49 Helen x 2 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 4 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged Allied Ships BB Warspite, on fire CL Tromp, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Ki-49 Helen attacking at 100 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally attacking at 100 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3 Japanese aircraft G3M Nell x 3 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 1 damaged Allied Ships AK Empire Strength, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 15,6 Japanese aircraft G3M Nell x 6 G4M1 Betty x 10 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 5 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied Ships DD Isaac Sweers DD Arrow Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 15,7 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 3 No Japanese losses Allied Ships PG Nigella, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 17,8 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 10 G3M Nell x 14 G4M1 Betty x 17 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 3 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Allied Ships MSW Poole PG Cyclamen, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage PG Thyme MSW Cromer, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PG Genista DD Stronghold Aircraft Attacking: 1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Bombay at 20,10 Japanese aircraft A5M4 Claude x 6 A6M2-N Rufe x 5 A6M2 Zero x 41 G3M Nell x 25 G4M1 Betty x 30 Japanese aircraft losses G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged Allied Ships CL Boise, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Parrott CA Canberra, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CA Australia, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CL Hobart CL Perth, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Walrus: 1 destroyed SOC-3 Seagull: 4 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Nagato, Shell hits 3 CA Maya, Shell hits 4 CA Mikuma, Shell hits 4 CA Suzuya, Shell hits 1, on fire CA Kumano, Shell hits 3 DD Nowaki DD Asagumo, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships CA Australia, Shell hits 17, and is sunk CA Canberra, and is sunk CL Perth, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk CL Hobart, Shell hits 34, on fire, heavy damage CL Boise, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Parrott, Shell hits 6, and is sunk DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10 Japanese Ships BB Nagato CA Maya CA Mikuma CA Suzuya, on fire CA Kumano DD Nowaki DD Asagumo, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships CL Hobart, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 3, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Nanning Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 12304 troops, 170 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 202 Defending force 11744 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 251 Japanese max assault: 412 - adjusted assault: 260 Allied max defense: 247 - adjusted defense: 91 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanning base !!! Japanese ground losses: 550 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 16962 casualties reported Guns lost 31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 41,31 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 9019 troops, 11 guns, 578 vehicles, Assault Value = 316 Defending force 16584 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 512 Japanese max assault: 273 - adjusted assault: 312 Allied max defense: 530 - adjusted defense: 123 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 58 casualties reported Vehicles lost 4 Allied ground losses: 296 casualties reported Guns lost 9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 40,36 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 10202 troops, 163 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 194 Defending force 3396 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97 Japanese max assault: 189 - adjusted assault: 400 Allied max defense: 92 - adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 57 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 37 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 80 casualties reported

Sneer -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 12:12:07 AM)
good result of naval battle(warspite group) - you need more of it - RN will be doomed if karachi falls so every JPN ship in trouble is a gift to you BTW i forgot to tell you but you could move US west coast heavy CD guns to karachi by changing them to Southeast Asia command - this would be extremaly nasty surprise for battleline ( with WITP cd model)

ADavidB -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 12:54:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer good result of naval battle(warspite group) - you need more of it - RN will be doomed if karachi falls so every JPN ship in trouble is a gift to you �BTW i forgot to tell you but you could move US west coast heavy CD guns to karachi by changing them to Southeast Asia command - this would be extremaly nasty surprise for battleline ( with WITP cd model) It takes 90 days for them to get there - he doesn't have 90 days - he'll lose them enroute. Dave Baranyi

Sneer -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 12:58:51 AM)
i know [:(]

ADavidB -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 1:00:09 AM)
quote: I'd really like some input here. I have two Aussie divisions at Derby. Both are fully prepped for Koepang and I've significantly degraded the ability of the coastal guns there. However, if I take koepang I will be leaving Derby very very exposed and it is highly possible that he will be able to prevent me from extracting one of those divisions after the invasion for at least some time to come. Thoughts on this are appreciated. You have to ask yourself - what do you get from having those two Aussie Divisions in Koepang? Given that you are about to loose all of your Karachi reinforcements, do you really want to risk having two Aussie Divisions trapped on a malarial island? At this point, do you have Brisbane adequately defended? You wouldn't want to lose your Australian reinforcements too... My advice is to play it safe until you can bring overwhelming force against his naval forces. Good luck - Dave Baranyi

ctangus -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 1:00:14 AM)
It's 60 days actually, but the point is still true. Probably wouldn't hurt to try, though.

Sneer -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 1:02:11 AM)
koepang will be trap if he decides to move against northern OZ - he can bypass Timor and with naval superiority and RN badly beaten it will be difficult to pull them out

ADavidB -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 1:02:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctangus It's 60 days actually, but the point is still true. Probably wouldn't hurt to try, though. Thanks - I forgot. But it's still 59 days too long to help... [;)] Dave Baranyi (I'm really, REALLY averse to throwing resources away on lost causes...)

ctangus -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 1:05:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer koepang will be trap if he decides to move against northern OZ - he can bypass Timor and with naval superiority and RN badly beaten it will be difficult to pull them out Maybe use the 2 divs to take it but only leave a light garrison, sending the divs back to Oz. While he holds Koepang he could use his heavies to do some strategic bombing.

ADavidB -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/19/2006 1:11:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ctangus quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer koepang will be trap if he decides to move against northern OZ - he can bypass Timor and with naval superiority and RN badly beaten it will be difficult to pull them out Maybe use the 2 divs to take it but only leave a light garrison, sending the divs back to Oz. While he holds Koepang he could use his heavies to do some strategic bombing. I don't see the point - leaving a light garrison just invites an invasion, and there is no effective means to set a trap. When facing the results of so many setbacks its much better to pull back to where the opposition is at a distance disadvantage and set traps. It's much better to leave Japanese forces to suffer in the malaria of Timor and bomb them at your leisure while rebuilding enough strength to be able to inflict a significant defeat. The issue in this game is to build up enough Allied forces to crush the IJN. In the absence of doing that the Japanese side can stay strong indefinitely. Dave Baranyi

Redd -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 6:01:18 AM)
Well, just to throw in my 2c, I think that you'd better start concentrating forces in south-eastern Oz. I don't think that you have sufficient forces to defend northern Oz or even Perth if he really wants them ( and he apparently wants just about everything!). I would be trying to bring in as much supply and units and aircraft into Brisbane and Sydney. I think that most of the Oz reinforcements come into Sydney, and you don't want to lose those as well as the ones at Karachi.[X(][:-] In fact the more I think about it, you might just want to hunker down in southern Oz (Sydney, Melbourne and the rest). The more you spread out, the more it is to his advantage. Nemo is all about schwerepunkt, he never comes light to the party, and he always tries to maximise his advantages. Since this is a no holds barred type of game, might I suggest this: I have read on these forums that if you change the command of North Pacific to SEAC, all following reinforcements will divert to Karachi. Perhaps if you change SEAC to Australia Command they will go to Sydney? If any one has an actual clue on this one please advise. Of course you'd have to change command again later to get them out of Oz, but thats a fair piece down the road. Also, do you have any subs near Karachi? Can you get out any cadres if things go bad? It's possible because it was done in real life, use it as much as you can.

ADavidB -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 6:11:52 AM)
quote: Since this is a no holds barred type of game, might I suggest this: I have read on these forums that if you change the command of North Pacific to SEAC, all following reinforcements will divert to Karachi. Perhaps if you change SEAC to Australia Command they will go to Sydney? If any one has an actual clue on this one please advise. Of course you'd have to change command again later to get them out of Oz, but thats a fair piece down the road. It doesn't work in reverse - you can only send troops from the West Coast to Karachi; you can't send troops out of Karachi to anywhere else. Dave Baranyi

Redd -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 6:37:25 AM)
[&:] Bummer !

ADavidB -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 6:44:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Redd [&:]�Bummer ! That's why it's so critical to try to protect Karachi. But the problem is that if a Japanese player wants to go all out for Karachi during the first couple of Game-months, there is really nothing an Allied player can do about it. The Developers never expected players to use an "India-first" gambit, but of course, if there is an "edge" in a game, some player will find it and others will use it. Dave Baranyi

Redd -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 6:53:17 AM)
So whadda ya think Dave, should he turtle up in southern Oz or defend forward ?

Nomad -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 6:58:10 AM)
I really don't understand why the developers didn't consider this. They considered that the Japanese player might try invading the USA and made a rule for it. Why not a rule that if any base in India is taken by the Japanese then some reinforcements are moved up some. There were forces avaliable to the British, but they did not need to move them to India since it was not under attack. And while we are at it, why didn't they have the reinforcements scheduled for Karachi arrive in Australia after a 30 or 60 day delay?

Redd -> RE: Lunacy AND Shrewdness (6/20/2006 7:09:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nomad I really don't understand why the developers didn't consider this. They considered that the Japanese player might try invading the USA and made a rule for it. Why not a rule that if any base in India is taken by the Japanese then some reinforcements are moved up some. There were forces avaliable to the British, but they did not need to move them to India since it was not under attack. And while we are at it, why didn't they have the reinforcements scheduled for Karachi arrive in Australia after a 30 or 60 day delay? I'm with ya' there buddy! But it is what it is. Make the best of it that you can.[:D]

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