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Charles2222 -> RE: The all seeing eye of Glen (5/3/2006 11:14:15 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
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ORIGINAL: Charles_22
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ORIGINAL: Grotius
Thanks for those TROMs, Brady. They do show pretty active Glen recon missions -- but maybe not so much "Naval Search" as it's modeled in WITP. I mean, mostly the logs show Glens dispatched to recon particular targets: PH, Noumea, Santa Cruz Island, etc. Obviously a Glen would report any enemy vessel it saw on the way to the target, but you don't see many instances of a Glen reporting a contact in the open ocean, do you?
The point of contention here isn't that the Glen should have it's powers limited, but that they weren't hardly used and unreliable, or that they could only be used in the calmest seas. The issue of 'no search' only comes up not because they can't do it IRL, but because it gives them lots of power they shouldn't have in the game, because of the bias against their being used beyond the slightest degree because of alleged lack of use. If a plane can recon a port, something often more imminently dangerous than spotting ships at sea, then surely it can spot fleets. Whether the IJN used them very much in that role is immaterial, as the new commander should have that basic option. Of course there's always the possibility of getting a toggle option for these who quiver at the sight of the mighty plane spotting fleets. Any plane that can recon a port, and was used int hat role, should surely be able to search for a fleet.
I hope I'm not opening up on you Grotius when I say this, but it really does make me ill that it seems that virtually every capability of IJ in this game in being called into question that such-and-such capability shouldn't be granted to them because we don't have extensive documentation of it's being done. Besides that point, since we already know that the IJN was often using it's subs, even non-Glen ones for reconnning the sea, just why would they not use the Glen for navy searches when they're just as capable of that as a float plane?
Good point Charles. I would really like to see those who speak in favor of the Glen produce some real life examples where it was used to hunt down shipping at sea. (And no, one or two times in 4 years doesn't count.) If it's to be a usable "game mechanic", it needs to have been used IRL on a regular basis as well. As far as I can tell, sub-launched floatplanes were used almost exclusively for "niusance raids". Even in the period before Midway, the Japanese didn't try to arrainge for some of their subs to launch floatplanes to scout PH for the US CV's. Instead they tried to use one to refuel a Flying Boat for the mission. The game makes the Glen into a useful weapon, but the Japanese could not.
Try reading those documents which I think it was Brady provided. While you may only respect regularity in using weapons in this game, then that damns you to gutting the A-bombs too. There is no need for only things that are regular in the game, rather that all things, irregular or not, are treated as they should. From what you write, I'm beginning to think that you think people are attacking ships with those things. If so, I haven't seen that in this thread, and considering how any plane can carry an ordinance of some sort, even if just MG's, then certainly people should be able to use them. I just don't see why the big, bad Allied side can't put up with some sort of IJ intelligence, as reconning a base isn't much different from reconning a set amount of ocean, and, like I said, all subs could do recon anyway. Even if the Glen wasn't used to search fleets out so well, then since the game denies subs the ability of doing any recon (apart from attacking them), which anyone who has spent any time reading up on IJN subs would know they did, this use of Glens shouldn't be so hard felt.
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