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dickysty -> Defensive Attributes (5/23/2006 5:32:19 PM)


I noticed that Hands and Range on players never increase during their careers just decrease. I’m not sure I agree with that totally, especially early in ones career. I’m pretty sure fielders can improve there Hand’s and Range with , let say extra practice for hands, better positioning , maybe weight training for range etc.

Anyone agree?



Amaroq -> RE: Defensive Attributes (5/23/2006 6:07:42 PM)

Absolutely, and I have a bug logged on it! [:D]



Amaroq -> RE: Defensive Attributes (5/23/2006 6:09:53 PM)

Even 'Speed' might be able to improve - I know at one point in college, I received some very specific coaching on 'running with less wasted motion' while playing a not-baseball, not-running sport. I went from being one of the slower players on the team to one of the faster players - I hadn't realized how much of my motion was wasted effort! Also, the game represents it as 'baserunning ability', which might argue for it improving as a young player irons out all the possible baserunning mistakes, gets more experience at when to steal bases, when to advance an extra base, etc.



DandricSturm -> RE: Defensive Attributes (5/23/2006 11:53:49 PM)

I agree that most fielding ratings should be improvable. My brother who is a much bigger baseball fan than I am once told me that the one thing scouts look at is throwing arm because everything else can be taught at least to an extent.



lynchjm24 -> RE: Defensive Attributes (5/24/2006 1:50:34 AM)

I'll say this. It's pretty clear from fielding statistics that players peak quite early and begin to slowly decline almost from the instant they make the major leagues. I think it makes quite good sense that defensive attributes don't get better - it's pretty clear from the numbers that in general they don't. Of course some should get a little better, and every once in a while some should get a good amount better, but in general they shouldn't.



Amaroq -> RE: Defensive Attributes (5/24/2006 5:01:54 AM)

But the game doesn't model simply the major-league career of the players. It models everything.

So we need to have the possibility for a "Tony Gwynn" - a player who is regarded during the amateur draft as a hitting prospect but a defensive liability, and who trained himself into a five-time Gold-Glove winner. Yes, he did it mostly over his minor-league career, its hard to see much improvement beyond his big-league debut.

I'd interpret that as a 'kid' with, say, hands 40, range 50, arm 60, or possibly worse, training his way into a hands 70, range 70, arm 70 player by the time he's big-league ready, or shortly thereafter.



dickysty -> RE: Defensive Attributes (5/24/2006 6:12:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lynchjm24

I'll say this. It's pretty clear from fielding statistics that players peak quite early and begin to slowly decline almost from the instant they make the major leagues. I think it makes quite good sense that defensive attributes don't get better - it's pretty clear from the numbers that in general they don't. Of course some should get a little better, and every once in a while some should get a good amount better, but in general they shouldn't.


I would say your probably right on. I remember Mike Bordick becoming a stud fielding SS later in his career and I'm sure I'll think of more guys.



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