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fabertong -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/24/2006 10:18:15 AM)

Dear God.......how did the Japs. get Junyo in 1941??????????


I love subchasers map too.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/24/2006 6:14:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fabertong

Dear God.......how did the Japs. get Junyo in 1941??????????


I love subchasers map too.


*************Office of CNO, Washington, Dec 12, 1941**************

Turner: <visibly angry> "Wait, are you telling me the Junyo hasn't been launched yet?"

Capt. Cannonfodder, Office of Naval Intelligence: "Sir, it seems Japanese radio propaganda broadcasts may have overstated the readiness of the Junyo"

Turner: "OVERSTATED? Good Lord man. That what propaganda is for. I have already reported this crap to the President. There are those in the Administration who advocate for the formation of a civilian Central Intelligence Agency to improve US intelligence ([;)]) capabilities. Should that come to pass, the Office of Naval Intelligence will be emasculated. Is that what you want, Captain? If we have one more screw-up of this magnitude Captain, YOU will be the one being emasculated. Find out what the Hell kind of vessel was launching Vals in the Celebes Sea yesterday. And find out fast."





Wellard -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/24/2006 7:06:59 PM)

proving once again that naval Intelligence is a contradiction in terms




Moondawggie -> Junyo (7/25/2006 12:21:38 AM)

Well, at least we now know who's really to blame for the CIA screwing up Iraq's WMD capability: Capt. Cannonfodder, Office of Naval Intelligence! [:@]

If it hadn't had been for that sonovabitch's intelligence failure in the Junyo fiasco of 12/41, there never would have been a CIA to screw things up in 2002-6! [:-]




scott64 -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/25/2006 1:23:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fabertong

Dear God.......how did the Japs. get Junyo in 1941??????????


I love subchasers map too.



They had a time machine [:'(][X(][sm=00000613.gif]




Cap Mandrake -> Land Rush (7/25/2006 3:38:53 AM)

**************************Oval Office, Dec 12, 11:30************************

FDR: <On the phone> Reg? Yes, Franklin here. You know that vacant land near Langley we looked at?........Yes, that's it. Buy it. All 240 acres, and kep it quiet.....Great. Thanks, Reg. You're a dear."

<hangs up, then glances at a memo, beginning to laugh> "What a cretin. Probably voted for Hoover."

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Cap Mandrake -> USS John D Ford is really scary (7/25/2006 10:10:54 PM)

Editors note: No implication of goodness or purity of purpose is implied by the use of white for Japanese Forces...it just looks better [:'(]

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Cap Mandrake -> Waaaaay better than Stratego (7/26/2006 12:45:00 AM)

I know its not perfect, but WITP is a great game...especially when it comes to the cat and mouse games in the DEI when the naval force and air unit density and capabilities are low at the start of the war.

Should I have had De Ruyter loiter South of Amboina and try to hit the Jap transports at night? Where is that transport force South of Luzon going? Should I try to move some more P-40's back to Manila? Should I put an Aussie Bn in Kendari? Kopeang? Should the Brits reinforce Java?


Where are Kaga and Akagi now?


Pretty cool.




Onime No Kyo -> RE: Waaaaay better than Stratego (7/26/2006 10:51:39 AM)

32 Japanese Marines jump to their death, huh? NavInt can get accurate fugures for that, but they cant do simple arithmetic to count the CVs present. [8|][:D]




Wellard -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/26/2006 12:05:54 PM)

I would think that the fact that two Jap CVs are "whereabouts unknown" would be ringing many alarm bells in ComPac




tabpub -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/26/2006 12:59:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

I would think that the fact that two Jap CVs are "whereabouts unknown" would be ringing many alarm bells in ComPac

....huh?....I thought that was just my ears ringing from my high blood pressure!

Seriously, all they are doing is burning #2 fuel oil right now, as far as I care to estimate.
Most likely, they are sitting in the middle of nowhere out past the "black stump", looking at a bunch o' nothing...or heading back to Nippon. Personally, I wish they would pop up somewhere near a green base for a visit, but I don't think that they are that silly.....though just by not being seen they are having some effect....now quiet, I have to get back to overseeing the repairs on the Tennesee.....dang thing has crept up to 96....<sound of hammers and pumps in the background>.




Wellard -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/26/2006 1:04:11 PM)

Ok Chet,your the boss




Onime No Kyo -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/26/2006 1:32:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

I would think that the fact that two Jap CVs are "whereabouts unknown" would be ringing many alarm bells in ComPac

....huh?....I thought that was just my ears ringing from my high blood pressure!

Seriously, all they are doing is burning #2 fuel oil right now, as far as I care to estimate.
Most likely, they are sitting in the middle of nowhere out past the "black stump", looking at a bunch o' nothing...or heading back to Nippon. Personally, I wish they would pop up somewhere near a green base for a visit, but I don't think that they are that silly.....though just by not being seen they are having some effect....now quiet, I have to get back to overseeing the repairs on the Tennesee.....dang thing has crept up to 96....<sound of hammers and pumps in the background>.


And what are you gonna do with her when she's done? Send her to escort convoys out of Frisco? [:D]




Cap Mandrake -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/26/2006 8:27:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

I would think that the fact that two Jap CVs are "whereabouts unknown" would be ringing many alarm bells in ComPac

....huh?....I thought that was just my ears ringing from my high blood pressure!

Seriously, all they are doing is burning #2 fuel oil right now, as far as I care to estimate.
Most likely, they are sitting in the middle of nowhere out past the "black stump", looking at a bunch o' nothing...or heading back to Nippon. Personally, I wish they would pop up somewhere near a green base for a visit, but I don't think that they are that silly.....though just by not being seen they are having some effect....now quiet, I have to get back to overseeing the repairs on the Tennesee.....dang thing has crept up to 96....<sound of hammers and pumps in the background>.


And what are you gonna do with her when she's done? Send her to escort convoys out of Frisco? [:D]



A couple of hundred tubs of drywall compound and an army of shop vacs and she may just be ready for naval gunfire support for the invasion of Normandy




tabpub -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/26/2006 11:49:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

Ok Chet,your the boss


Dear Mr Wellard:

This is Chet's mom, Alice Nimitz. He was up late and didn't have any of his milk yet, so was quite cranky. He was also upset that his precious subs hadn't found some Jap ship called the HOO-YOU or something; and that the Army Air Corps had. I don't understand this, I thought we are all in this together; but, Chet keeps walking around murmuring "G*d d*mn Air Corps flyboys are stealing the show..." and drinking his milk and burping out "Where the f**k are the Kaga and Akagi, the world wonders".

He seems to like that phrase, the world wonders; he used it when Bill Halsey docked the other day after being rescued from the Enterprise.
Here's Bill, standing on the dock at attention in someone else's uniform (as they had to burn his old one it was so oil-soaked) and Chet walks up to him and looks like he is going to do the Eskimo nose rub with him, they were that close. "WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU THINKING!? DID YOUR BRAIN FALL ASLEEP FROM YOU SITTING ON IT?! THE WORLD WONDERS IF YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN! JUST LIKE THAT G** D**M SCARECROW IN THAT KID'S MOVIE!! YOU'RE ON THE BEACH; PREPARE TO TAKE OVER SOUTH PACIFIC FROM OLD FUSSBUDGET GHORMLEY, YOU CAN SIT OUT THE WAR DOWN THERE. Dismissed....."

Enclosed find an artist's rendering of the Enterprise sinking....

Yours,

Mama Nimitz

[image]local://upfiles/9730/9AD9575A58664D2395647BA5DD9C5865.jpg[/image]




Cap Mandrake -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 12:08:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

Ok Chet,your the boss


Dear Mr Wellard:

This is Chet's mom, Alice Nimitz. He was up late and didn't have any of his milk yet, so was quite cranky. He was also upset that his precious subs hadn't found some Jap ship called the HOO-YOU or something; and that the Army Air Corps had. I don't understand this, I thought we are all in this together; but, Chet keeps walking around murmuring "G*d d*mn Air Corps flyboys are stealing the show..." and drinking his milk and burping out "Where the f**k are the Kaga and Akagi, the world wonders".

He seems to like that phrase, the world wonders; he used it when Bill Halsey docked the other day after being rescued from the Enterprise.
Here's Bill, standing on the dock at attention in someone else's uniform (as they had to burn his old one it was so oil-soaked) and Chet walks up to him and looks like he is going to do the Eskimo nose rub with him, they were that close. "WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU THINKING!? DID YOUR BRAIN FALL ASLEEP FROM YOU SITTING ON IT?! THE WORLD WONDERS IF YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN! JUST LIKE THAT G** D**M SCARECROW IN THAT KID'S MOVIE!! YOU'RE ON THE BEACH; PREPARE TO TAKE OVER SOUTH PACIFIC FROM OLD FUSSBUDGET GHORMLEY, YOU CAN SIT OUT THE WAR DOWN THERE. Dismissed....."

Enclosed find an artist's rendering of the Enterprise sinking....

Yours,

Mama Nimitz

[image]local://upfiles/9730/9AD9575A58664D2395647BA5DD9C5865.jpg[/image]



How come the ocean looks like a hideous blue-green carpet and the smoke looks like a close-up of fiberglass insulation[:D]

Jeez...I'd hate to step on one of those babies in my bare feet.

BTW..was Halsey really in command of Enterprise on that fateful Dec 9th? Was Lexington set to follow Enterprise? If so, we can blame Halsey's impetuousness. Lastly why didn't he go down with the ship in a manly fashion like Capt Brown?




Terminus -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 12:10:05 AM)

Looks like the Hermes...




tabpub -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 3:11:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Looks like the Hermes...

Nope; here's the original. I don't have a shot of an Yorktown class, so had to use these from the convention. Kurita's wet dream scenario.

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Onime No Kyo -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 3:14:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
A couple of hundred tubs of drywall compound and an army of shop vacs and she may just be ready for naval gunfire support for the invasion of Normandy


Bondo? Ewww. Deffinitely not a good way to pimp your ride. [:'(]

A while back I got curious about where those vaunted BBs were while the CAs were getting the snot knocked out of them in SoPac. Turns out it was either Alaska or Fiji. Later on I got curious about where the surviving CAs were while the Washington was running around with nothing bigger than a DD for escort. Turns out that they had been shuffled off to escort convoys from the left coast and Panama. Something about the rates of fire and speed of turret traverse being too slow to expose them to enemy fire. Neither they nor the BBs were to emerge until Chester could find a nice, stationary island for them to fight.




Onime No Kyo -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 3:17:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

Ok Chet,your the boss


Dear Mr Wellard:

This is Chet's mom, Alice Nimitz. He was up late and didn't have any of his milk yet, so was quite cranky. He was also upset that his precious subs hadn't found some Jap ship called the HOO-YOU or something; and that the Army Air Corps had. I don't understand this, I thought we are all in this together; but, Chet keeps walking around murmuring "G*d d*mn Air Corps flyboys are stealing the show..." and drinking his milk and burping out "Where the f**k are the Kaga and Akagi, the world wonders".

He seems to like that phrase, the world wonders; he used it when Bill Halsey docked the other day after being rescued from the Enterprise.
Here's Bill, standing on the dock at attention in someone else's uniform (as they had to burn his old one it was so oil-soaked) and Chet walks up to him and looks like he is going to do the Eskimo nose rub with him, they were that close. "WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU THINKING!? DID YOUR BRAIN FALL ASLEEP FROM YOU SITTING ON IT?! THE WORLD WONDERS IF YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN! JUST LIKE THAT G** D**M SCARECROW IN THAT KID'S MOVIE!! YOU'RE ON THE BEACH; PREPARE TO TAKE OVER SOUTH PACIFIC FROM OLD FUSSBUDGET GHORMLEY, YOU CAN SIT OUT THE WAR DOWN THERE. Dismissed....."

Enclosed find an artist's rendering of the Enterprise sinking....

Yours,

Mama Nimitz

[image]local://upfiles/9730/9AD9575A58664D2395647BA5DD9C5865.jpg[/image]


Dear Ms. Nimitz,

It sounds very much like little Chester should have his mouth washed out with soap. His current soundbytes will be rather hard to quote in later years.

Sincerely,

The United States Historical Society




tabpub -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 3:18:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

Ok Chet,your the boss


Dear Mr Wellard:

This is Chet's mom, Alice Nimitz. He was up late and didn't have any of his milk yet, so was quite cranky. He was also upset that his precious subs hadn't found some Jap ship called the HOO-YOU or something; and that the Army Air Corps had. I don't understand this, I thought we are all in this together; but, Chet keeps walking around murmuring "G*d d*mn Air Corps flyboys are stealing the show..." and drinking his milk and burping out "Where the f**k are the Kaga and Akagi, the world wonders".

He seems to like that phrase, the world wonders; he used it when Bill Halsey docked the other day after being rescued from the Enterprise.
Here's Bill, standing on the dock at attention in someone else's uniform (as they had to burn his old one it was so oil-soaked) and Chet walks up to him and looks like he is going to do the Eskimo nose rub with him, they were that close. "WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU THINKING!? DID YOUR BRAIN FALL ASLEEP FROM YOU SITTING ON IT?! THE WORLD WONDERS IF YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN! JUST LIKE THAT G** D**M SCARECROW IN THAT KID'S MOVIE!! YOU'RE ON THE BEACH; PREPARE TO TAKE OVER SOUTH PACIFIC FROM OLD FUSSBUDGET GHORMLEY, YOU CAN SIT OUT THE WAR DOWN THERE. Dismissed....."

Enclosed find an artist's rendering of the Enterprise sinking....

Yours,

Mama Nimitz

[image]local://upfiles/9730/9AD9575A58664D2395647BA5DD9C5865.jpg[/image]



How come the ocean looks like a hideous blue-green carpet and the smoke looks like a close-up of fiberglass insulation[:D]

Jeez...I'd hate to step on one of those babies in my bare feet.

BTW..was Halsey really in command of Enterprise on that fateful Dec 9th? Was Lexington set to follow Enterprise? If so, we can blame Halsey's impetuousness. Lastly why didn't he go down with the ship in a manly fashion like Capt Brown?

As this is becoming a CoI, the answers are the following:
Yes.
No one remembers.
ADM Brown would have made it to the boats, but the heel of his dressing room slipper caught in the grate on the hangar deck; he would not leave without freeing it and was last heard to be saying "I got these for 25 dollars at that cute little store in Hollywood, they match my dressing gown and I'll be damned if I leave one of the pair here!"




Onime No Kyo -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 3:19:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tabpub


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Looks like the Hermes...

Nope; here's the original. I don't have a shot of an Yorktown class, so had to use these from the convention. Kurita's wet dream scenario.




Hmm..."Shake your Laffy Taffy"...or something along those lines.




Terminus -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 3:22:45 AM)

Hmmm... Never was much of a boardgamer...




Wellard -> RE: A company of Stewarts for ol' Mac (7/27/2006 12:50:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

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ORIGINAL: Wellard

Ok Chet,your the boss


Dear Mr Wellard:

This is Chet's mom, Alice Nimitz. He was up late and didn't have any of his milk yet, so was quite cranky. He was also upset that his precious subs hadn't found some Jap ship called the HOO-YOU or something; and that the Army Air Corps had. I don't understand this, I thought we are all in this together; but, Chet keeps walking around murmuring "G*d d*mn Air Corps flyboys are stealing the show..." and drinking his milk and burping out "Where the f**k are the Kaga and Akagi, the world wonders".

He seems to like that phrase, the world wonders; he used it when Bill Halsey docked the other day after being rescued from the Enterprise.
Here's Bill, standing on the dock at attention in someone else's uniform (as they had to burn his old one it was so oil-soaked) and Chet walks up to him and looks like he is going to do the Eskimo nose rub with him, they were that close. "WHAT THE F**K WERE YOU THINKING!? DID YOUR BRAIN FALL ASLEEP FROM YOU SITTING ON IT?! THE WORLD WONDERS IF YOU EVEN HAVE A BRAIN! JUST LIKE THAT G** D**M SCARECROW IN THAT KID'S MOVIE!! YOU'RE ON THE BEACH; PREPARE TO TAKE OVER SOUTH PACIFIC FROM OLD FUSSBUDGET GHORMLEY, YOU CAN SIT OUT THE WAR DOWN THERE. Dismissed....."

Enclosed find an artist's rendering of the Enterprise sinking....

Yours,

Mama Nimitz

[image]local://upfiles/9730/9AD9575A58664D2395647BA5DD9C5865.jpg[/image]


Dear Mrs Nimitz,
Thats all he did huh? I would have had Halsey watersking to Dutch Harbor behind a destroyer.(Yes from Hawaii) or shot him.... from the Arizonas main guns...into Manau Luai(hope I spelt that right).He may have lost us the war. FDR is most upset that the carriers he approved whilst in the Navy Department seem to have been ...misused is the term he prefers...I would use a stronger term.

If your son Chet doesn't extract his manipulative digit out of his fundament soon the president regrets that he will have to consider a replacement as ComPac. Mr Churchill has already offered to lend us some British Admirals who might fit the bill perfectly.

Yours in hope of Victory

Frederick N Wellard
Special Assistant to the President




Cap Mandrake -> Kalentan Volunteer Force (7/27/2006 9:59:55 PM)

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Dec. 6...The entire province of Kalentan is electric with the news that the Japs have crossed the Magic Line with their troop transports. If true, and we or the Dutch Governement in exile invoke the mutual defence agreement, it may mean the Americans will come in. It could be a bluff on Japan's part, but I don't think there will be any backing down on the oil embargo. For my part, I have no illusion that war can be avoided. Even if the Americans don't come in, I am confident that a few thousand tons of Sheffield steel in the form of the Prince of Wales will cause the Japs to reconsider their bellicosity. In the meantime, it is only prudent to make some plans. I am going home early to help Edith pack. As soon as we get confirmation, I am sending her and the baby down to Kuantan in the Packard. Awang has promised to drive her and stay in Kuantan until this is all sorted out. I am to stay behind as the KVF is almost certain to be called up to augment those portions of FMSV in and about Khota Bahru. Chee Sern has promised to maintain the shop, though it is unlikely their will be much call for our services. I am more expectant than frightened, though Edith is a bit of a wreck. Uncertainty is the mother of rumor and she has fallen prey to some of the wild notions granting the Japs a superman status. Running over Chinese peasants in Manchuria is one thing. Taking on the flower of the British Commonwealth is quite another.





Cap Mandrake -> RE: Kalentan Volunteer Force (7/29/2006 12:37:49 AM)


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Dec. 7.....The balloon has gone up for real. Jap bombers came in over the South China Sea at dawn this morning and pounded the Khota Bahru airfield. The Bofors gunners claimed two shot down but it looked like a one sided afair to me, with the Japs in the catbird seat. That's not the whole story, either. Something like 20,000 Jap infantry, perhaps two division's worth, came ashore near Kuantan and cut the coastal road. Captain Thistlethwaite claims there are four Jap battlewagons off shore shelling anything that doesn't have a red meatball on it. Even worse, the RAF hasn't scratched them and the Prince of Wales is a no-show. I had no idea the Japs had these kind of resources. Had I known, Edith and the baby would be in Johore by now. I have failed them. I can't let Edith know, but I fear for their safety. The Japs have apparently landed on the Kra Peninsula too. I can't believe how the mood has changed here in 24 hrs. We were all naive and shall now have to make a reckoning for our foolishness. All suitable land routes are now closed and it is too dangerous for the coastal ferries. The staff of the Swiss legation from Kuantan are in Khota Bahru now and I instructed my staff to be very genrous with any supplies they might need. They are hoping the Embassy in Singapore can send a plane. Perhaps they will be kind enough to find a spot for Edith and the baby. God, what have I done to brig a baby into this?
The company has formed up and has been issued rifles and 50 rounds of ammunition. We are tasked with a security detail at the aerodrome for now as there is some concern about paratroops. FSMV Brigade is getting ready for a move. Perhaps they will go South to open a road?






VSWG -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/29/2006 12:55:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
The jpg conversions suffer, however.]


Judging from your screenshots, you're saving the jpegs with quality = 90. Try setting quality to 95, or even lossless (=100), if file size doesn't matter.

Good AAR, I like the pictures. [:)]




Onime No Kyo -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/29/2006 5:58:36 PM)

I demand an update, Mandrake! [:@]




tabpub -> RE: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow (7/30/2006 12:55:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

I demand an update, Mandrake! [:@]


<phone answering machine> Cap Mandrake overindulged last night, celebrating his successes in the campaign so far. His head is now the size of a Zeppelin and he is trying to find a hanger big enough to store it in. Please leave your message now...<beep>.




Cap Mandrake -> Fun and Games in the South China Sea (7/30/2006 4:17:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tabpub


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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

I demand an update, Mandrake! [:@]


<phone answering machine> Cap Mandrake overindulged last night, celebrating his successes in the campaign so far. His head is now the size of a Zeppelin and he is trying to find a hanger big enough to store it in. Please leave your message now...<beep>.


Two really cute waitresses handing out free champaigne as you step on board, then free drinks on the reception deck(pouring Tanqueray and the like) with a really cute bartender (female [:)]), then free drinks on foredeck to watch the sunset and ogle the fantastic houses, flirt, blah, blah, blah, then back to the reception deck for a toast/appreciation speech which entails drinking, of course, then dinner with 2 varieties of wines for the various courses, then back to the reception deck for cognac, desert and coffee (5 cups), then, when finally leaving the parting gift is a bottle of Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin Champagne (I have a feeling its kind of pricey), then back to the car and drive really, really carefully.


Life in the US Navy doesn't seem bad at all. The God Damned coffee gave me a headache though.


Oh yeah....the POW went on a pleasure Cruise of the South China Sea. The Admiralty may want a reimbursement of the fuel costs, but nobody is going to complain about the rate of expenditure of main gun ammo [:-]

HMS Danae is hurt bad and may not make it. The invasion of Kuching seems to have been turned back for now. I'm not sure, but I think some of the ships diverted to Miri.

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