Ground combat at Eniwetok

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Zecke -> Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/28/2006 8:06:59 PM)
Can someone can give a explanation about this ground combat,, its a PBME game path 18.01,, No MODS,, and eniwetok is in japan hands, japan force are well supplied and rested,, but 1200 allied desembark. If no explanation what i have to do to get rid of thouse 1200 allied troops with low loosings,, any ideas?? Thanks anyway Ground combat at Eniwetok Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 48352 troops, 465 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1099 Defending force 1273 troops, 48 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53 Japanese max assault: 1137 - adjusted assault: 1075 Allied max defense: 43 - adjusted defense: 2 Japanese assault odds: 537 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 756 casualties reported Guns lost 24 Vehicles lost 2 Allied ground losses: 88 casualties reported Guns lost 4

greg_slith -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/28/2006 8:40:54 PM)
Bad dice rolls[:@] I've had similar results with better odds. I usually let the troops rest a couple of days, bombard by land-sea-air if possible and then hit them again.

niceguy2005 -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/28/2006 8:43:56 PM)
Troops with their back to the wall will fight harder. Keep going they will surrender soon.

tabpub -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/28/2006 11:42:03 PM)
Don't send a herd of lemmings to do the job that one division can do; ex. I have a Jap Division (104th) cut off in Pakhoi; 7 Chinese Corps there. if I attack with all of them, they kill 600 Japanese and take similar losses. If I use just the 3 lowest disrupted ones and bombard with the rest, IJA loses 500 and I lose none. This Japanese Division has been isolated for approximately 30 days and it should soon succumb, as it has launched one banzai the other day, indicating to me that the end is nigh.

Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/28/2006 11:53:21 PM)
That does suck![:D]

Yava -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 1:34:06 AM)
It sure does![:D]

tabpub -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 1:04:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tabpub Don't send a herd of lemmings to do the job that one division can do; ex. I have a Jap Division (104th) cut off in Pakhoi; 7 Chinese Corps there. if I attack with all of them, they kill 600 Japanese and take similar losses. If I use just the 3 lowest disrupted ones and bombard with the rest, IJA loses 500 and I lose none. This Japanese Division has been isolated for approximately 30 days and it should soon succumb, as it has launched one banzai the other day, indicating to me that the end is nigh. This just in from the China desk......... 06/09/43 Ground combat at Pakhoi Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 71218 troops, 455 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2061 Defending force 7206 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7 Allied max assault: 908 - adjusted assault: 1658 Japanese max defense: 3 - adjusted defense: 5 Allied assault odds: 331 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 18768 casualties reported Guns lost 66 Notice the bolded figures; only commited 1/2 of the available force and the Japanese 104th Division is NO more. Looking back on the combat record for Pakhoi, the Chinese forces moved into the hex on May 9th, exactly one month ago, beginning the bombardment phase of the attack. Due to our "house rule" of 50 prep points to attack a base hex in china, the first assault was on the 23rd of May with this result: 05/23/43 Ground combat at Pakhoi Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 53437 troops, 357 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1672 Defending force 21283 troops, 122 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 379 Allied max assault: 338 - adjusted assault: 516 Japanese max defense: 213 - adjusted defense: 37 Allied assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Pakhoi base !!! Japanese ground losses: 98 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Allied ground losses: 310 casualties reported Guns lost 8 The intial attack was by one Chinese Corps; the Japanese division was in a bad way already, due to low supply after it was ejected from Nanning earlier in the month and had retreated to Pakhoi. It took about 2 weeks of ground combat to finish her off in the hinterland, but this was not excessive in my book.

Sneer -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 4:15:53 PM)
these absurd was reported so many times I can't count it breaks my PBEM in critical chinase areas but never there was any sign from developers that they take a look at it so you have to asuume it is working as designed bullshit IMO i'm sure you will get few weird comments as well

aztez -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 5:09:07 PM)
You see same kind of "weird" odds when assaulting Japanese garrisons in an Atoll but as Sneer said the ground combat system is not officially broken! [8\|] ...hopefully Matrix will tune the whole ground combat system in future patches but I would not get my hopes up. Also I feel there should be stacking limits concerning ground troops garrisoning an Atoll base

Sneer -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 5:40:32 PM)
as long as maximum for assault forces - it is impossible to land 8 inf div on atoll too :-)

aztez -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 5:48:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer as long as maximum for assault forces - it is impossible to land 8 inf div on atoll too :-) I do agree but it should also be impossible garrison an Atoll with several divisions. Also I feel that the fortifications should limited to max. 5 level.

dtravel -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/29/2006 9:15:52 PM)
My personal opinion. The biggest problem with ground combat is that no one has been able to adequately explain how it works to the players. (For example, its been two years and only now are some of us beginning to understand that casualties has nothing to do with the displayed odds.) So everyone falls back on the standard "mass your forces" and gets upset and confused when something as simple and logical as that doesn't work. I think it also doesn't help that we have trouble adjusting to the time scale. We all want to win NOW! But realistically it should take time.

tabpub -> RE: Ground combat at Eniwetok (7/30/2006 12:39:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sneer these absurd was reported so many times I can't count it breaks my PBEM in critical chinase areas but never there was any sign from developers that they take a look at it so you have to asuume it is working as designed bullshit IMO i'm sure you will get few weird comments as well I think that the language barrier is coming down here; What you refer to as absurd, I see as reasonable; it took 2 weeks of fighting to destroy a division of troops using Chinese forces. If I was using equivilent USA or USM forces with their higher firepower and associated artillery brigades in support it would have been quicker. as Dtravel mentioned: quote: I think it also doesn't help that we have trouble adjusting to the time scale. We all want to win NOW! But realistically it should take time. I had the same type of results when reducing the Rangoon garrison: Enter town on day 1; take town on day 8; finish off garrison on day 17. I have all the CRs done up in a chronological order if anyone would care to see them. Bueller? Anyone? Oh, and trust me, I don't claim infallibility or anything here. In this same campaign, my over aggressive nature has gotten 2 Chinese Corps trapped behind the lines myself. Though, they had plenty of supplies with them, so until they lose them I hope that they acquit themselves well for a week or so and take some Nihonjin with them before they succumb to the enemy.

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