Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War

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dhuffjr2 -> Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 8:16:05 PM)
I'm a huge fan of Pacific War and thinking hard about this game. I noticed a comment about LCI(R,M,G) being useless, why, don't they add to amphibous attacks somehow? I noticed LCVP, are LVAT simmed too? In that you have various choices of landing craft/vehicles and you select the proper type for the target in question? I see various support craft, are their fleet tugs too or do you need to use line ships to return crippled ships to port? Does the not unload shipping feature hold if you disband the convoy? Meaning you can send shipping to an atoll and have the ships remain as afloat warehousing of sorts to prevent spoilage?

Terminus -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 8:21:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dhuffjr2 I noticed a comment about LCI(R,M,G) being useless, why, don't they add to amphibous attacks somehow? They're supposed to, but have never worked correctly. quote: I noticed LCVP, are LVAT simmed too? In that you have various choices of landing craft/vehicles and you select the proper type for the target in question? No. The smaller landing craft aren't meant for landings as such; AP's, LST's and such are considered to carry their own landing craft. quote: I see various support craft, are their fleet tugs too or do you need to use line ships to return crippled ships to port? Not necessarily. No fleet tugs. quote: Does the not unload shipping feature hold if you disband the convoy? Meaning you can send shipping to an atoll and have the ships remain as afloat warehousing of sorts to prevent spoilage? Yes, but I think you have to keep them in their convoy. I suppose you could split some ships you want out of a convoy, put them in a seperate task force and then have them sit there.

tsimmonds -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 9:05:51 PM)
quote: are LVAT simmed too? Do you mean LVTs? They are there, but just as part of the TOE of the units that were equipped with them. As such they are just like other armoured units, and need to ride to the target in LSTs.

tsimmonds -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 9:10:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: dhuffjr2 Does the not unload shipping feature hold if you disband the convoy? Meaning you can send shipping to an atoll and have the ships remain as afloat warehousing of sorts to prevent spoilage? Yes, but I think you have to keep them in their convoy. I suppose you could split some ships you want out of a convoy, put them in a seperate task force and then have them sit there. You can disband loaded ships; they can sit at anchor indefinitely fully loaded.

tsimmonds -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 9:11:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus quote: ORIGINAL: dhuffjr2 I see various support craft, are their fleet tugs too or do you need to use line ships to return crippled ships to port? Not necessarily. No fleet tugs. But regardless of damage, a TF may always move a minimum of one hex/phase (~5kt)

dhuffjr2 -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 9:20:09 PM)
Thanks for the answers guys. How about coast defense guns/forts. Shame about the LSI support ships not working right. Is it supposed to be addressed in a the future? How about mines. How does that work, good/bad?

dtravel -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 10:20:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dhuffjr2 Thanks for the answers guys. How about coast defense guns/forts. Shame about the LSI support ships not working right. Is it supposed to be addressed in a the future? How about mines. How does that work, good/bad? Mostly wimpy, except when you count on them being wimpy. Probably not, since its probably a matter of the programming for them not being finished rather than being a bug. Wimpy. Apparently GG lost a ship to mines in a game of Uncommon Valor and gutted their effectiveness in retaliation.

Terminus -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 10:26:18 PM)
Mines aren't that wimpy. They're a nuisance, certainly, rather than a serious threat, but they can cause plenty of damage.

dtravel -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 10:28:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus Mines aren't that wimpy. They're a nuisance, certainly, rather than a serious threat, but they can cause plenty of damage. Don't argue with the man wearing the extra-cranky cranky pants. [:'(]

Terminus -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/28/2006 10:51:26 PM)
Hey, those are my pants!

dtravel -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 1:04:19 AM)
Your pants? I don't think so, I stole them from TV critic Tim Goodman.

Terminus -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 1:08:46 AM)
And he stole them from me! Come to think of it, I'm not sure I want them back anymore... I'll just get a new pair instead...

dtravel -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 4:31:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus And he stole them from me! Come to think of it, I'm not sure I want them back anymore... I'll just get a new pair instead... Hey! [:'(]

bradfordkay -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 7:29:46 AM)
I've definitely had some good results with mines in WITP. Though not so much so in my CHS v2.07 game - which is funny because this is the one where I sent the MLE from Ceylon to Soerabaja. Previous games have caused numerous sinkings, this one only one so far. EDIT: I have an Aug '42 game with 23 sinkings credited to mines. And I finally had a truly good result with the Corregidor CDs, sinking five Japanese DDs in one night and forcing an invasion force to turn away.

siRkid -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 4:28:36 PM)
If CD guns and mines are wimmpy, then why did U2 just hand my A$$ to me when I made a 3 division landing on one of his islands?[:@]

Speedysteve -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 4:38:30 PM)
Yup. CD's are not 'wimpy'. I had 7 divisions battled beaten up by several CD guns when I invaded Wake a while back

dhuffjr2 -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 5:28:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy Yup. CD's are not 'wimpy'. I had 7 divisions battled beaten up by several CD guns when I invaded Wake a while back 7 divisions! Obviously there is not a coded restriction on landing force size then. Doesn't bombardment/air attacks destroy/suppress CD?

Terminus -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 5:37:25 PM)
"Never enough" is the most obvious answer. The underlying problem is the fact that there are no stacking limits, so you could, in theory, put every single coastal defence unit in the whole order of battle on one tiny little atoll, and destroy every landing attempt.

dhuffjr2 -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 6:10:15 PM)
That is a gamey tactic hopefully rewarded with avoidance of that island an invasion elsewhere.....island hopping anyone?[:D]

dtravel -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 10:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kid If CD guns and mines are wimmpy, then why did U2 just hand my A$$ to me when I made a 3 division landing on one of his islands?[:@] Because it was a three division landing. I have noticed that the more ships in the TF, the more shots are fired at it. Disproportionally more. Split the TF up into half a dozen and I'll bet that you take almost no casualties from the CD guns, assuming they even fire.

Feinder -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/29/2006 11:15:16 PM)
quote: Because it was a three division landing. I have noticed that the more ships in the TF, the more shots are fired at it. Disproportionally more. Split the TF up into half a dozen and I'll bet that you take almost no casualties from the CD guns, assuming they even fire. There is probably some relation to the surface combat routines in this. In surface combat, a ship that is fired at, will return fire (which means that fewer ships means more bang for your buck). Probably a similar routine for bombardments. -F-

siRkid -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/30/2006 12:14:26 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/17/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1215 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1215 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1215 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied ground losses: 108 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1260 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1260 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1260 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 Allied ground losses: 241 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1263 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1263 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 Allied Ships MSW Canso, on fire MSW Wasaga MSW Ungava MSW Robin MSW Grebe MSW Rail MSW Turkey AP Van Cloon, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 32 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1263 27 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships MSW Wasaga, Shell hits 2, on fire AP Fuller MSW Ungava, Shell hits 1 Allied ground losses: 548 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1265 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1265 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 Allied Ships MSW Junee MSW Horsham MSW Echuca AP Empire Tamar, Mine hits 1, on fire Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1265 77 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AP Empire Chivalry, Shell hits 1 MSW Junee, Shell hits 1, on fire MSW Horsham, Shell hits 1, on fire AP American Legion, Shell hits 1 Allied ground losses: 804 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Ponape at 71,79 Japanese Ships SS I-11, hits 2 Allied Ships DMS Hovey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1136 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) Allied Ships DD Fanning -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Ponape at 71,79 Japanese Ships SS I-11, hits 3 Allied Ships AE Pyro AO Tappahanock DD Evertsen DD Downes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lunga at 67,97 Japanese Ships SS I-32 Allied Ships AK Empire Rowan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD King DD MacDonough -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Ponape at 71,79 Japanese Ships SS I-11, hits 2 Allied Ships MSW Canso, on fire MSW Wasaga, on fire MSW Ungava LST LST-17 AP President Polk AP Heywood MSW Robin MSW Grebe MSW Rail MSW Turkey AGP Mobjack AGP Oyster Bay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Ponape, at 71,79 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CL Helena CL Concord CA Astoria CA Chester CA Portland BB Indiana BB New Mexico BB West Virginia BB Maryland, Shell hits 1 Japanese ground losses: 48 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 4 Port supply hits 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1215 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1215 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1215 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1260 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1260 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1260 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 Allied ground losses: 236 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1263 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1263 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 Allied Ships MSW Canso MSW Wasaga MSW Ungava MSW Robin MSW Grebe MSW Rail MSW Turkey AP Van Cloon, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage LST LST-18, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 27 casualties reported Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1263 50 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AP President Polk, Shell hits 1 MSW Ungava AP Tasker H. Bliss, Shell hits 1 Allied ground losses: 680 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Lunga, 67,97, firing at TF 1264 TF 1264 troops unloading over beach at Lunga, 67,97 Allied ground losses: 81 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1265 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) TF 1265 troops unloading over beach at Ponape, 71,79 Allied Ships MSW Junee, on fire MSW Horsham, on fire MSW Echuca Coastal Guns at Ponape, 71,79, firing at TF 1265 19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AP President Fillmore, Shell hits 2 Allied ground losses: 697 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1

Feinder -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/30/2006 12:17:32 AM)
What's the moral rating of your CD unit Kid? -F-

dtravel -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/30/2006 1:55:47 AM)
The ships took almost no hits and the LCU casualties are about those of an unopposed landing.

siRkid -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/30/2006 2:48:09 AM)
I'm the attacker.[:(] The CD units belong to U2.

siRkid -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/30/2006 2:49:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dtravel The ships took almost no hits and the LCU casualties are about those of an unopposed landing. You should see the damaged ships I have heading back to port. This is turn two of the invasion. I'll admit that most of the damaged ships are MSW.

Terminus -> RE: Thinking about upgrading from Pacific War (8/30/2006 2:56:52 AM)
They usually are...[;)]

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