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Zorachus99 -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 7:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Froonp quote: You would like something like this? Campaigns: Fall Weiss (Poland 1939), Fall Gelb (France 1940), Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941), Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) and the Kurland Pocket (Lithuania 1944-45) Great for my tastes !!! Very nice!

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 7:30:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorachus99 quote: ORIGINAL: Froonp quote: You would like something like this? Campaigns: Fall Weiss (Poland 1939), Fall Gelb (France 1940), Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941), Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) and the Kurland Pocket (Lithuania 1944-45) Great for my tastes !!! Very nice! Alright, then that is settled. I will update the existing writeups and use this in the future as well. How do you feel about the "commander of renown"-tag? Here is another example: [2493] [XX Infantry Korps] .T The XX Infantry Korps was raised 1940 in Berlin .P As Operation Barbarossa commenced the corps drove through Eastern Poland and Smolensk before finally reaching the southwestern outskirts of Moscow (Naro Fominsk). As the offense was halted the corps went on the defense and in the winter of 1941 it had to make a fighting retread to avoid being crushed. It settled near Rzhev, defending the Vyazma salient. .P The XX Infantry Korps was then transferred south for Operation Zitadelle, where it was positioned between the Ninth and Second Armies, close to the city of Sevsk. Unfortunatly for the corps the operation is a fiasco and it is forced to retreat Westwards. .P In early 1945 the corps is fighting a desperate defense north of Warsaw and is finally surrounded and destroyed in the Heiligerbeiler pocket. .P The corps is reformed to aid in the defense of Berlin and because of this desperately tries to rescue the 9th Army by attacking towards Potsdam. This ends in disaster and the corps flees. In May 1945 it crosses the Elbe and surrenders to the Americans. .H .B Campaigns: Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941) and Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) .B Decorations: XX Knights Crosses and numerous Iron Crosses .B Commander of renown: Edgar Röhrich, the Silesian General who commanded the XX Infantry Korps during a shorter period of time in 1943, was a decorated veteran from the First Worldwar. After the war he was put in prison at the infamous “Island Farm Special Camp 11”

wmcalpine -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 9:14:50 PM)
All, I am the volunteer writing up descriptions for US land units. I have been a long time lurker, and am new to both MWiF and WiF. Does anyone where I could get a scan of the US land unit counters? I want to know which units are divisions and which are corps to help get me started in researching their history. This is going to be a blast! Thanks to all Bill

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 9:18:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wmcalpine All, I am the volunteer writing up descriptions for US land units. I have been a long time lurker, and am new to both MWiF and WiF. Does anyone where I could get a scan of the US land unit counters? I want to know which units are divisions and which are corps to help get me started in researching their history. This is going to be a blast! Thanks to all Bill A certain Patrice has these on his website: http://perso.orange.fr/froon/WiF/counters/index.htm [:)]

trees trees -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 9:25:18 PM)
someone will need to write a basic paragraph explaining the theoretical units, such as the Japanese MECH which was mentioned. something like "World in Flames lets you decide what military technology to build for your armed forces. To that end, there is a complete range of land units for all major powers, even if that power never employed such military units in history."

Plainian -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 9:29:32 PM)
I like the commander of reknown tag. Prefer it better than the decorations tag which I think looks a bit strange when talking about higher level formations and not individuals or units. But it adds colour and is unusual so keep it in. Rather than being a dry OOB study the write up up could be the unit 'blog'..... to use the current terminology. By the way my only hard copy source (I still go and look in my attic for the books rather than google) on German OOB (Hitlers Legions - Samuel W. Mitcham) says that XX Corps was raised in Danzig which would seem right because Wehrkreis XX was Danzig. Keep up the good work though. Ian from 'bonnie' Dundee

Greyshaft -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 10:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: capitan As of now I do check the commanders in each Korps and if someone catches my eye as a famous person (judging subjectivly from my very own brand of ignorance) I will mention them. Of course this is not a very solid method. Perhaps limit it to mentioning only those Generals who appear as HQ units within MWiF. Just an idea

Greyshaft -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 10:21:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wmcalpine Does anyone where I could get a scan of the US land unit counters? I want to know which units are divisions and which are corps to help get me started in researching their history. This is going to be a blast! Patrice's site is superb but the definitive list of land units comes from Steve. That list has been provided to Capitan who is de facto co-ordinator of the land unit write ups. I think the list was sent to you as a PM in this Forum (I certainly got it) That is the list you need to be using.

Greyshaft -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 10:24:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorachus99 It seems that I'd be actually willing to investigate what these campaign names when they have a sense of location. Of the 5 I only recognized 2 off-hand. I certainly wouln't automatically look up a lot of nomenclature, but if the location and name were there I'd be tempted into looking up the operation to learn more and compare it to history. That's the whole purpose of these write-ups. They are not meant to be a definitive dictionary definition of who-what-where, but rather to whet a player's appetite to go and do their own research.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 11:14:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft quote: ORIGINAL: capitan As of now I do check the commanders in each Korps and if someone catches my eye as a famous person (judging subjectivly from my very own brand of ignorance) I will mention them. Of course this is not a very solid method. Perhaps limit it to mentioning only those Generals who appear as HQ units within MWiF. Just an idea No. That is too restrictive.

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 11:50:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Plain Ian I like the commander of reknown tag. Prefer it better than the decorations tag which I think looks a bit strange when talking about higher level formations and not individuals or units. But it adds colour and is unusual so keep it in. Rather than being a dry OOB study the write up up could be the unit 'blog'..... to use the current terminology. By the way my only hard copy source (I still go and look in my attic for the books rather than google) on German OOB (Hitlers Legions - Samuel W. Mitcham) says that XX Corps was raised in Danzig which would seem right because Wehrkreis XX was Danzig. Keep up the good work though. Ian from 'bonnie' Dundee I doublechecked the origins of the XX Corps and it seems you might be right. This is what threw me off: Aufgestellt am 17. Oktober 1940 durch die Wehrersatzinspektion Berlin. My German is very poor and I might have missread the quote

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/21/2006 11:54:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft quote: ORIGINAL: capitan As of now I do check the commanders in each Korps and if someone catches my eye as a famous person (judging subjectivly from my very own brand of ignorance) I will mention them. Of course this is not a very solid method. Perhaps limit it to mentioning only those Generals who appear as HQ units within MWiF. Just an idea No. That is too restrictive. I must agree with Steve on this. The HQs in WIF are were seldom commanders of corps. I have actually yet to find one but I am sure there are of course. The point of the commander of renown is rather to add spice than anything I think. Some odd details here and there makes for a peaked interest no?

Mziln -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 2:45:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: capitan I must agree with Steve on this. The HQs in WIF are were seldom commanders of corps. I have actually yet to find one but I am sure there are of course. The point of the commander of renown is rather to add spice than anything I think. Some odd details here and there makes for a peaked interest no? The HQs in WIF were seldom commanders of corps? Heinz Wilhelm Guderian first served as the commander of the XIX Army Corps in the invasion of Poland. Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel commanded the Deutsches Afrika Korps. Omar Nelson Bradley commanded II Corps under Patton. Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein commanded V Corps and later XII Corps.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 3:17:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mziln quote: ORIGINAL: capitan I must agree with Steve on this. The HQs in WIF are were seldom commanders of corps. I have actually yet to find one but I am sure there are of course. The point of the commander of renown is rather to add spice than anything I think. Some odd details here and there makes for a peaked interest no? The HQs in WIF were seldom commanders of corps? Heinz Wilhelm Guderian first served as the commander of the XIX Army Corps in the invasion of Poland. Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel commanded the Deutsches Afrika Korps. Omar Nelson Bradley commanded II Corps under Patton. Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein commanded V Corps and later XII Corps. Well, there are 57 HQ units and a lot of them did not command corps (e.g., those from the minor countries). Perhaps, what Capitan meant was that "Commanders of corps are rarely HQs in WIF". That was my reason for opening the commander reference to those beyond the HQs.

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 3:18:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mziln quote: ORIGINAL: capitan I must agree with Steve on this. The HQs in WIF are were seldom commanders of corps. I have actually yet to find one but I am sure there are of course. The point of the commander of renown is rather to add spice than anything I think. Some odd details here and there makes for a peaked interest no? The HQs in WIF were seldom commanders of corps? Heinz Wilhelm Guderian first served as the commander of the XIX Army Corps in the invasion of Poland. Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel commanded the Deutsches Afrika Korps. Omar Nelson Bradley commanded II Corps under Patton. Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein commanded V Corps and later XII Corps. There is no XIX german corps in WIF. As for Rommel I just have not gotten there yet, still at infantry. Either way my point was there was seldom a WIF HQ serving as commander of a existing WIF-unit. Lets say 90-95% won´t have one of them, does that mean we should drop commanders of renown?

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 3:43:09 AM)
Another topic that is coming increasingly closer the further down the list I go, is what to do with the divisions and also the the militias. The divisions I have been told are generic and any resemblence to an actual unit (1st german infantry division) is purely coincidential. The milities I have not found any information on. Any thoughts or ideas on this? Some kind of generic information? A tourist guide to the city where the militia was stationed? [;)]

Greyshaft -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 4:51:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: capitan Another topic that is coming increasingly closer the further down the list I go, is what to do with the divisions and also the the militias. The divisions I have been told are generic and any resemblence to an actual unit (1st german infantry division) is purely coincidential. The milities I have not found any information on. Any thoughts or ideas on this? Some kind of generic information? A tourist guide to the city where the militia was stationed? [;)] Perhaps start out by saying that this is a generic description for that nationalities divisions then do some OOB for the standard division (10,000 men, 157 trucks, 2 illegal stills etc)

Zorachus99 -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 9:23:06 AM)
Considering Militia are often considered irregular troops by higher command they often get overlooked. Lacking historical information you could simply have a statement that militia tend to vary in value based on the size of the city they originate from...

grab -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 1:19:34 PM)
Hi Guys, I have accepted the task of providing information on Artillery, Anti-tank and Anti-aircraft systems. If someone can let me now which systems are needed I can get cracking on them. cheers Gary

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 1:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: grab Hi Guys, I have accepted the task of providing information on Artillery, Anti-tank and Anti-aircraft systems. If someone can let me now which systems are needed I can get cracking on them. cheers Gary PM sent.

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 3:06:39 PM)
Here is a site with links to all (?) named operations of WW2, which can be useful for the campaigns-tag. http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-military-operations

Froonp -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 3:46:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: capitan Here is a site with links to all (?) named operations of WW2, which can be useful for the campaigns-tag. http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-military-operations Original article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_operations

Neilster -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 3:51:41 PM)
Shouldn't it be "Knight's Crosses" rather than "Knights Crosses"? Whilst I like Fall Gelb etc, most people aren't going to have a clue. To save space, wouldn't it just be better to say Poland 39, Greece 41 etc? Kurland is usually written Courland in English too. Good work all. Cheers, Neilster

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 4:25:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster Shouldn't it be "Knight's Crosses" rather than "Knights Crosses"? Whilst I like Fall Gelb etc, most people aren't going to have a clue. To save space, wouldn't it just be better to say Poland 39, Greece 41 etc? Kurland is usually written Courland in English too. Good work all. Cheers, Neilster You are right about the crosses of course. About the original names of the Operations I kinda like to have both the name and the location. As long Steve does not tell us that we are short on space then I think this is the most interesting way to depict it. Kurland - Courland. Any other opinions on this? I like Kurland but I guess it is not of any great importance.

Neilster -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 4:52:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: capitan quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster Shouldn't it be "Knight's Crosses" rather than "Knights Crosses"? Whilst I like Fall Gelb etc, most people aren't going to have a clue. To save space, wouldn't it just be better to say Poland 39, Greece 41 etc? Kurland is usually written Courland in English too. Good work all. Cheers, Neilster You are right about the crosses of course. About the original names of the Operations I kinda like to have both the name and the location. As long Steve does not tell us that we are short on space then I think this is the most interesting way to depict it. Kurland - Courland. Any other opinions on this? I like Kurland but I guess it is not of any great importance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland Cheers, Neilster

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 4:54:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster quote: ORIGINAL: capitan quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster Shouldn't it be "Knight's Crosses" rather than "Knights Crosses"? Whilst I like Fall Gelb etc, most people aren't going to have a clue. To save space, wouldn't it just be better to say Poland 39, Greece 41 etc? Kurland is usually written Courland in English too. Good work all. Cheers, Neilster You are right about the crosses of course. About the original names of the Operations I kinda like to have both the name and the location. As long Steve does not tell us that we are short on space then I think this is the most interesting way to depict it. Kurland - Courland. Any other opinions on this? I like Kurland but I guess it is not of any great importance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland Cheers, Neilster I am aware of the english spelling but as I was using the german names for the operations I figured that the Kurland Pocket could use the German name as well. IMHO.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 10:02:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: capitan quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster Shouldn't it be "Knight's Crosses" rather than "Knights Crosses"? Whilst I like Fall Gelb etc, most people aren't going to have a clue. To save space, wouldn't it just be better to say Poland 39, Greece 41 etc? Kurland is usually written Courland in English too. Good work all. Cheers, Neilster You are right about the crosses of course. About the original names of the Operations I kinda like to have both the name and the location. As long Steve does not tell us that we are short on space then I think this is the most interesting way to depict it. Kurland - Courland. Any other opinions on this? I like Kurland but I guess it is not of any great importance. Space is not an issue. But these writeups are intended to just be 'teases' and not doctoral dissentations. Their purpose is to give the players some information and stimulate them to do more reading on their own if they are interested. EDIT: I wasn't specific enough here. I like including both Fall Gelb and Poland '39 - if the reader doesn't know what Fall Gelb was, then perhaps he'll go look it up. Kurland or Courland, doesn't matter to me.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/22/2006 10:51:04 PM)
Here is the first of the writeups for the artillery/anti-tank/anti-aircraft from Gary. [image]local://upfiles/16701/599537F5549844F0AB1EE81C815B6AA0.jpg[/image]

Froonp -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/23/2006 12:23:13 AM)
Great ! Some remarks : In France we put a space between the digits and the numbers, that is, we write : 76.2 mm and not 76.2mm. I find this more clean. Also, avoid unusual abbreviations, you can write "rounds" instead of "rds" for the ammo. Otherwise, I remember Steve answering me a year ago, while I was asking him if it would be possible to add such level of detail somewhere in the game, that he did not want MWiF to turn into a WWII cyclopaedia, and I'm happy he left us putting some WWII lore in his game [:D] [:D]

jesperpehrson -> RE: Ideas for Land Unit writeups (10/23/2006 12:37:10 AM)
Great job Gary! Looks fantastic!

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