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Przemcio231 -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 4:45:27 PM)

Nope its a comedy[:D]



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 5:25:16 PM)

Darn good film though.

What did everyone think of

Cross of iron ? ( i liked this quite a lot)
Enemy at the gates ? ( again enjoyed this one)

Can't recall any much newer ones than those 2 thats been any good , possibly excepting saving private ryan ( first 1/2 hour anyway).

All other recent ones imo have been utterly unwatchable (PH + U571 spring to mind).

The beast was a good movie on a low budget and yes it was a bit stereotypical and certainly propagandist , the mujahadeen are heroes ( imagine making that one these days [;)])



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 6:30:32 PM)

Havent seen Cross of Iron to my emrabassment.

Enemy at the Gates we had a discussion about in another thread. I thought it was pretty decent for a Hollywood flick....but ridiculously biased and full of all sorts of apocriphal BS.



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 7:16:45 PM)

Cross of iron is worth watching if you see a cheap copy or catch it on TV sometime. It's a tad moralistic but very grim and gritty, set in the crimea in '44 and its based on a squad of german infantry. poor sods get clobbered [;)]. makes a change from an allied perspective war flick.



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 7:21:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Cross of iron is worth watching if you see a cheap copy or catch it on TV sometime. It's a tad moralistic but very grim and gritty, set in the crimea in '44 and its based on a squad of german infantry. poor sods get clobbered [;)]. makes a change from an allied perspective war flick.


Dont think I can recall seeing anything from that angle. Seems like an interesting watch.

There was a good Russian movie with that angle. It was about 4 guys and an antitank rifle in 1941 who get left to protect some arbitrary point on a map. In true Russian fashion it went on to explore the moral and psychological differences between 4 very different people but concluded with 3 of the guys duying in defense of Mother Russia all the same...except for one guy who deserted.



Terminus -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 8:27:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Cross of iron is worth watching if you see a cheap copy or catch it on TV sometime. It's a tad moralistic but very grim and gritty, set in the crimea in '44 and its based on a squad of german infantry. poor sods get clobbered [;)]. makes a change from an allied perspective war flick.


Yeah, and the clobbering is mainly done by their own side. The remnants *almost* make it to their lines, and then get massacred by "friendly" fire. Classic film...



Terminus -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 8:28:11 PM)

"Stalingrad" is a fantastic film, too... But find it with subtitles, if you don't speak Ze German... Dubbing ruins every film.



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 8:33:05 PM)

Sound like there are a lot of ze german films I would like but stand zero chance of ever finding.



Przemcio231 -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 9:21:02 PM)

E-Mule works wounders[:D] + some subtitles page[:D]



Terminus -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 9:22:12 PM)

[:-]



Przemcio231 -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 9:31:43 PM)

Ohh come on... that is some times the only way to get some movies[:D]



Terminus -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 9:33:56 PM)

Not any more...



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 9:38:29 PM)

Cant stand the thing.



Przemcio231 -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 9:38:58 PM)

Why something happend to it??



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 11:19:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Why something happend to it??


I dont like the way it stores files. It fills up your entire HD with half downloaded junk...which never seemed to happen with either Kazaa or Limewire.



fabertong -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 11:25:39 PM)

A remember from film school a great russian war movie ......the english title was 'The 41st'............



scott64 -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 11:29:52 PM)

Anzio was on the History Channel today  [:)]





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shoevarek -> RE: 9th Company (10/22/2006 11:50:38 PM)

Each good war movie (not fairy tell) has anti-war message after all. I haven't seen a lot of Russian war movies (or maybe i saw a lot in my childhood and do not remember any more) but recently I watched "The Cranes are flying" (Mikhail Kalatozov) and "Come and see" (Elem Klimov). They really impressed me. Other good movies on my shelf are "Stalingrad", "Thin red line", "Full metal jacket", "Dr Strangelove", "Apokalypse Now". There is another good one I bumped into few months ago - "Devil on the door step" by Jiang Wen.  

From Polish moves I liked "Kanal" and "Ashes and Diamonds" by Wajda (Cybulski was such a great actor, you have to see "Saragossa's manuscript"), "Eroica" and of course "Giuseppe in Warsaw" ;-). They break some Polish myths, but probably are tough to understand by broader public. 

Ha, I would forgot - "No mans land" was pretty interesting too.



fabertong -> RE: 9th Company (10/23/2006 12:04:47 AM)

One of the best war movies ever is 'Night and Fog'.........(1955).....this should be shown to every child at school at say 12 years old.............one of the most moving films I have ever seen...........



Terminus -> RE: 9th Company (10/23/2006 12:07:08 AM)

Very good, that one...



Honda -> RE: 9th Company (10/23/2006 12:54:43 AM)

"I just drive, I don't know what make them run. Woof,woof,woof! Thet's my other dog impression." CLASSIC [&o]
But since we're on Russian war films i rember one (although it's not a war movie as such, only the main character is an Afgan vet). This Russian returns from Afganistan after 10 years. He was presumed to be dead and everything. But he converted to Islam over there after being captured and following the jubilation in his home village everyone starts looking at him suspisiously 'cause he's so differnet form them. His mother is old and feeble and his brother is a no good drunk. There really wouldn't be anything worth noting about the movie if towards the end of it a corrupt village official, an ex-commie, wasn't swallowed by a giant pig's head that emerged from the nearby lake. Really, a reward for staying up late at night to watch a low-budged russian drama.[:D]



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/23/2006 4:42:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fabertong

A remember from film school a great russian war movie ......the english title was 'The 41st'............


Hmm...was that about border guards?



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/23/2006 4:49:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shoevarek

Each good war movie (not fairy tell) has anti-war message after all. I haven't seen a lot of Russian war movies (or maybe i saw a lot in my childhood and do not remember any more) but recently I watched "The Cranes are flying" (Mikhail Kalatozov) and "Come and see" (Elem Klimov).


Cranes are Flying is an outstanding movie. Come and See, IMHO, pretty much sucked. It was too artsy fartsy. I suppose its not their fault since it was so closely based on the book, but it did not make for good film watching.

And I agree...every good war movie has an antiwar message. But then, ultimately, every war has an antiwar message.



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/23/2006 4:55:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Honda

"I just drive, I don't know what make them run. Woof,woof,woof! Thet's my other dog impression." CLASSIC [&o]
But since we're on Russian war films i rember one (although it's not a war movie as such, only the main character is an Afgan vet). This Russian returns from Afganistan after 10 years. He was presumed to be dead and everything. But he converted to Islam over there after being captured and following the jubilation in his home village everyone starts looking at him suspisiously 'cause he's so differnet form them. His mother is old and feeble and his brother is a no good drunk. There really wouldn't be anything worth noting about the movie if towards the end of it a corrupt village official, an ex-commie, wasn't swallowed by a giant pig's head that emerged from the nearby lake. Really, a reward for staying up late at night to watch a low-budged russian drama.[:D]


I know exactly what youre talking about and I cant think of the name for the life of me. Not a terribly good movies, as most of the post Perestroika stuff was.



shoevarek -> RE: 9th Company (10/24/2006 6:28:19 AM)

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Come and See, IMHO, pretty much sucked. It was too artsy fartsy.


That is actually why I liked it so much. The guy by a strange turn of fortune survives massakre of entire village. The war as illogical, chaotic, surreal experience. When you read about deportations and annihilations of villages in todays Russia or Poland it is all dry facts. That move actually tried to bring the atmosphere of fear and uncertainty. Good thing was also that it did not have excessive propaganda and cheap shownaship (unlike Saving Private Ryan for example).



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/24/2006 11:55:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: shoevarek

quote:

Come and See, IMHO, pretty much sucked. It was too artsy fartsy.


That is actually why I liked it so much. The guy by a strange turn of fortune survives massakre of entire village. The war as illogical, chaotic, surreal experience. When you read about deportations and annihilations of villages in todays Russia or Poland it is all dry facts. That move actually tried to bring the atmosphere of fear and uncertainty. Good thing was also that it did not have excessive propaganda and cheap shownaship (unlike Saving Private Ryan for example).


Oh....its a real story, not sure if you knew. It was taken act for act from a memoir. There is a memorial at the site of the vilage.

http://www.khatyn.by/en/

The reason I didnt like the movie is because I dont like any movies that have to resort to the "spin-spin-spin-spin around a fixed point until youre dizzy" to get that "surreal" effect. It may have been cutting edge cinematography in the 30s but were a bit past that now. And besides, I'm a layman when it comes to cinematic tricks. If I notice it being done, I wont be impressed, just annoyed.



Terminus -> RE: 9th Company (10/24/2006 3:40:18 PM)

Hmmm, is this THE Katyn?



Onime No Kyo -> RE: 9th Company (10/24/2006 4:27:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Hmmm, is this THE Katyn?


Depends. In English I have trouble differentiating. There is the Katyn of the mass grave of Polish officers. There is also the Khatin that was a Belorussian village burned with all inhabitants by an Einsatzgruppe (or however you spell it) and later made into a memorial (to symbolize the other 2000 or so that met the same fate). The movie is, in part, about the latter.



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