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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

I always get (sort of) a kick out of these threads.

Back before some of you were born, Avalon Hill MIGHT have shipped one good game per year, one that was balanced and had rules that weren't so full of holes that lawyering took precedence over skill in gameplay. While there was considerable anticipation on the part of the hundreds of thousands of active wargamers around the world, there was no telling when the games would ship, quarter or month, let alone day, so everyone pretty much just relaxed, played their favorite(s), and looked forward to word finally coming down that the newest title was in fact available for sale at a local hobby shop or via mail-order.

My, how things have changed.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

I always get (sort of) a kick out of these threads.

Back before some of you were born, Avalon Hill MIGHT have shipped one good game per year, one that was balanced and had rules that weren't so full of holes that lawyering took precedence over skill in gameplay. While there was considerable anticipation on the part of the hundreds of thousands of active wargamers around the world, there was no telling when the games would ship, quarter or month, let alone day, so everyone pretty much just relaxed, played their favorite(s), and looked forward to word finally coming down that the newest title was in fact available for sale at a local hobby shop or via mail-order.

My, how things have changed.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

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ORIGINAL: Boar

Amen, PoE.

The smarmy response to your recollection only highlights the prob some have in understanding, though. I'll resist the temptation to
go on and on about it, but the fact is this current crop of gamers is the most impatient ever. Most can't understand why they want
it and can't have it now. Sorry, people, but that's how you sound -- like a bunch of childish whiners.

The most recent game release I could liken this to would be Half-Life 2. Never mind the fact that the original was announced, then delayed,
for something like 3 years. I was eager to buy it when I first saw screenshots and a brief blurb in a magazine, and was overjoyed when it
finally came out. Half-life 2 was even longer "in the making," and then had its release sidetracked by a hacker attack (begging the question,
why would you keep vital files in such an unsecure area? -- but never mind).

Fans went crazy. It was a very similar reaction. Everything from the standard wailing and gnashing of teeth, to the attempts to seemingly sabotage
its success on release by early reviews (by gamers) saying it was not all they had waited for, etc., presumably out of spite (frustration, bad childhood? who cares!).

I view this as a re-release by all rights could never have happened. Only through the hard work and dedication of people at CSO-Simtek and Matrix do
we have such games. Just as I patiently awaited Medieval Total War 2, and even then put up with its intital bugs because at heart it's a great one-of-a-kind game,
so I will await COI.

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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

I always get (sort of) a kick out of these threads.

Back before some of you were born, Avalon Hill MIGHT have shipped one good game per year, one that was balanced and had rules that weren't so full of holes that lawyering took precedence over skill in gameplay. While there was considerable anticipation on the part of the hundreds of thousands of active wargamers around the world, there was no telling when the games would ship, quarter or month, let alone day, so everyone pretty much just relaxed, played their favorite(s), and looked forward to word finally coming down that the newest title was in fact available for sale at a local hobby shop or via mail-order.

My, how things have changed.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

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ORIGINAL: schrecken

When I was a kid.........errrrr...I can't remember when I was a kid.

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ORIGINAL: LitFuel

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ORIGINAL: Boar

Amen, PoE.

The smarmy response to your recollection only highlights the prob some have in understanding, though. I'll resist the temptation to
go on and on about it, but the fact is this current crop of gamers is the most impatient ever. Most can't understand why they want
it and can't have it now. Sorry, people, but that's how you sound -- like a bunch of childish whiners.

The most recent game release I could liken this to would be Half-Life 2. Never mind the fact that the original was announced, then delayed,
for something like 3 years. I was eager to buy it when I first saw screenshots and a brief blurb in a magazine, and was overjoyed when it
finally came out. Half-life 2 was even longer "in the making," and then had its release sidetracked by a hacker attack (begging the question,
why would you keep vital files in such an unsecure area? -- but never mind).

Fans went crazy. It was a very similar reaction. Everything from the standard wailing and gnashing of teeth, to the attempts to seemingly sabotage
its success on release by early reviews (by gamers) saying it was not all they had waited for, etc., presumably out of spite (frustration, bad childhood? who cares!).

I view this as a re-release by all rights could never have happened. Only through the hard work and dedication of people at CSO-Simtek and Matrix do
we have such games. Just as I patiently awaited Medieval Total War 2, and even then put up with its intital bugs because at heart it's a great one-of-a-kind game,
so I will await COI.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

I always get (sort of) a kick out of these threads.

Back before some of you were born, Avalon Hill MIGHT have shipped one good game per year, one that was balanced and had rules that weren't so full of holes that lawyering took precedence over skill in gameplay. While there was considerable anticipation on the part of the hundreds of thousands of active wargamers around the world, there was no telling when the games would ship, quarter or month, let alone day, so everyone pretty much just relaxed, played their favorite(s), and looked forward to word finally coming down that the newest title was in fact available for sale at a local hobby shop or via mail-order.

My, how things have changed.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

No, we understand , gaming was hell back then...[:D]

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ORIGINAL: Troopsurge

...bickering among the parties involved?...

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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

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ORIGINAL: Troopsurge

...bickering among the parties involved?...

What bickering?

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The product is actually GOLD, in all aspects. Just the usual "legal check" before it is ready to go. Unfortunately another company that holds rights to CC is really "red tape" about this and wants a final complete check of all things connected with a release. So basically it is up to them and their approval of all items involved.

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ORIGINAL: Troopsurge

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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

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ORIGINAL: Troopsurge

...bickering among the parties involved?...

What bickering?

In your own words from a previous post:

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The product is actually GOLD, in all aspects. Just the usual "legal check" before it is ready to go. Unfortunately another company that holds rights to CC is really "red tape" about this and wants a final complete check of all things connected with a release. So basically it is up to them and their approval of all items involved.

To me it seems likely that the company that holds the rights to CC is dissatisfied with the status quo and does not want to give "approval of all items involved."

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ORIGINAL: old man of the sea

Shoot, when I was a kid we had to build a school to go to, before we walked the ten miles through 5 feet of snow to go to it. We had to fight the white men all the way to school to boot.

E