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Extraneous -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/17/2010 6:56:28 PM)

Most of the “What if ships” represent proposed ship construction as part of a 9-year plan starting in 1942 and ending in 1950.

See: Chart 8 — Fifth Armament Replenishment Plan



Patience -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/17/2010 8:50:00 PM)

It looks like they are a what if.  I suppose if japan doesn't need more carriers they could potentially build the extras.

Oyodo (Japanese:??, named after a river in Japan, literally means "big stagnant water") was a light cruiser of the Imperial Japanese Navy, the only ship of her class. Her design was basically an improved version of the Agano-class cruisers, though while the same general hull form as Agano was adopted, with flush deck and bulbous bow, the armament differed both in layout and weapons, and the armour protection scheme was reduced.DesignThe Oyodo design was approved under the 1939 4th Replenishment Programme. However, out of the 2 ships authorised, only one (Oyodo) was laid down ? immediately after she was completed all available shipbuilding resources at that yard were used to build more aircraft carriers. In line with contemporary Japanese submarine tactics, the Oyodo class were to be the flagships of scouting submarine flotillas. To this end, the Oyodo class was to operate up to six of the upcoming Kawanishi E15K1 Shiun floatplanes; however, the requirements for these planes were issued only in mid-1939.



Extraneous -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/18/2010 4:16:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Patience

It looks like they are a what if.  I suppose if japan doesn't need more carriers they could potentially build the extras.

Oyodo Japanese:??, named after a river in Japan, literally means "big stagnant water") was a light cruiser of the Imperial Japanese Navy, the only ship of her class. Her design was basically an improved version of the Agano-class cruisers, though while the same general hull form as Agano was adopted, with flush deck and bulbous bow, the armament differed both in layout and weapons, and the armour protection scheme was reduced.DesignThe Oyodo design was approved under the 1939 4th Replenishment Programme. However, out of the 2 ships authorised, only one (Oyodo) was laid down ? immediately after she was completed all available shipbuilding resources at that yard were used to build more aircraft carriers. In line with contemporary Japanese submarine tactics, the Oyodo class were to be the flagships of scouting submarine flotillas. To this end, the Oyodo class was to operate up to six of the upcoming Kawanishi E15K1 Shiun floatplanes; however, the requirements for these planes were issued only in mid-1939.



Try this "Oyodo" (the dash above the O doesent display in the forums).

Where did you get a translation to "big stagnant water"?



Patience -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/18/2010 3:16:42 PM)

Here is the link I used to get the info. There are obviously several web pages that describe this vessel. I guess we can pick and choose. I didn't browse any other pages that included the translation so I used this one. :)


http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/japanese-cruiser-oyodo/design.html



warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/23/2010 8:07:40 PM)

Okay back to What ship am I?

I have the following two clues for each of the two ships in question (Froonp and abj9562 are NOT allowed to "guess")

SHIP 1 (Easy Question)
a) I am represented by a counter in World In Flames.
b) Neither I nor my sister survived the war, although at least my sister was lost fighting heroically at sea…unlike me.

SHIP 2 (Difficult Question)
a) I am represented by a counter in World In Flames, but really I should have two counters.
b) I had seven sisters, although eleven sisters was the original plan.

More clues tomorrow unless someone gets it.



Patience -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 4:49:40 AM)

For Ship one,  I'll go out on a limb.  Its Bismark



warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 6:05:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Patience

For Ship one,  I'll go out on a limb.  Its Bismark

Warspite1

A good guess Patience - but incorrrect I'm afraid.



BallyJ -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 6:32:10 AM)

Primed by the last poster.
I will guess Tirpitz!!!



warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 6:45:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BallyJ

Primed by the last poster.
I will guess Tirpitz!!!

Warspite1

A more logical conclusion given the second clue but....no cigar.



Orm -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 10:33:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay back to What ship am I?

I have the following two clues for each of the two ships in question (Froonp and abj9562 are NOT allowed to "guess")

SHIP 1 (Easy Question)
a) I am represented by a counter in World In Flames.
b) Neither I nor my sister survived the war, although at least my sister was lost fighting heroically at sea…unlike me.


I am going with Musashi since trying to put the ship on ground to avoid beeing sunk can hardly be called fighting heroically at sea.



zeal4u -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 1:07:45 PM)

For ship 1 the answer could be several ships, but I'll go with Gneisenau.



warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 9:04:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: zeal4u

For ship 1 the answer could be several ships, but I'll go with Gneisenau.

Warspite1

Correct - well done.



MajorDude -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 9:54:47 PM)

Warspite, when are you coming out with a new edition of WIF Jeopardy? [:)]


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warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/24/2010 10:11:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay back to What ship am I?

I have the following two clues for each of the two ships in question (Froonp and abj9562 are NOT allowed to "guess")

SHIP 1 (Easy Question)
a) I am represented by a counter in World In Flames.
b) Neither I nor my sister survived the war, although at least my sister was lost fighting heroically at sea…unlike me.

SHIP 2 (Difficult Question)
a) I am represented by a counter in World In Flames, but really I should have two counters.
b) I had seven sisters, although eleven sisters was the original plan.

More clues tomorrow unless someone gets it.

Warspite1

The remaining clues for Gneisenau were:

c) No doubt our enemies had many nicknames for us, but one of the names suggests we may have appeared in a Disney film.
d) My name is not the easiest to pronounce for foreigners.
e) I played a key role in four operations; the sinking of an aircraft carrier being my biggest success.


The last three clues for ship 2:

c) I served in both World Wars – although only very briefly at the end of World War I
d) I changed my name during the Second World War, although there was some minor controversy surrounding the change of name.
e) I survived the war and was broken up shortly afterwards.



zeal4u -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/26/2010 12:33:13 AM)

The second ship question is much tougher, but after chatting with a friend we came up with HMS Royal Sovereign, which was commissioned as the Arkhangelsk for the USSR during the war.



warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/26/2010 6:15:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: zeal4u

The second ship question is much tougher, but after chatting with a friend we came up with HMS Royal Sovereign, which was commissioned as the Arkhangelsk for the USSR during the war.

Warspite1

Zeal4u, you are thinking on the right lines here re the change of name, although there were only 5 R-class (8 planned) so its not Royal Sovereign.



zeal4u -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/27/2010 6:01:55 PM)

Ok, how about HMS Danae ? Transfered to the free Polish navy and renamed ORP Conrad. I believe she might meet all your requirements/hints.



warspite1 -> RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land (5/27/2010 8:55:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zeal4u

Ok, how about HMS Danae ? Transfered to the free Polish navy and renamed ORP Conrad. I believe she might meet all your requirements/hints.

Warspite1

Well done - Danae it is.



Sewerlobster -> Mid-Atlantic Air Museum (6/6/2010 12:03:39 AM)

Well, it's June and the annual Mid-Atlantic Air Museum WWII weekend has begun again. Nothing makes you want to play Wif more than real WWII planes flying overhead. There are a trio of Mitchells, a pair of Flying Forts, plus one each Lightning, Spitfire, Thunderbolt, Dauntless, Avenger, Neptune, Helldiver and a Harpoon. The Helldiver and Harpoon are the only known planes of their type still flying. The musuem is also raising funds to repair and make as the only flyable a P-61 Black Widow (there are 3 other non-flying left in the world).

There are also over a thousand re-enactors at the show. Airfields, villages, 1940's dance and dinners, FDR and MacArthur (re-enactors not zombies), and skirmishes --- great fun. You can ride a PT-17, PT-19 and I believe if you got the dough a B-17 Flying Fortress (at least the dignitaries and news reports can).

For those of you who can't get here: http://www.maam.org/

I'm off to set up Wif.



Extraneous -> RE: Just for fun (6/8/2010 1:54:21 PM)

The Norway campaign (04/09/40–06/07/40)

"Z" Force (Contre Amiral Derrien)
Light Cruiser Émile Bertin (CL) 2x Gourdou-Lesseurre GL-832 shipboard floatplane (from 3rd Cruiser Division)
Light Cruiser Montcalm (CL) 2x Loire L.130 flying boat/recon (from 4th Cruiser Division)
Destroyer (Contre-torpilleur) Maillé Brézé (DL) (from 9th Large Destroyer Division)
11th Large Destroyer Division
Destroyer (Contre-torpilleur) Bison (DL)
Destroyer (Contre-torpilleur) Milan (DL)
Destroyer (Contre-torpilleur) Épervier (DL)
5th Large Destroyer Division
Destroyer (Contre-torpilleur) Le Chevalier Paul (DL)
Destroyer (Contre-torpilleur) Tartu (DL)
5th Destroyer Division
Destroyer (Torpilleur) Boulonnais (DD)
Destroyer (Torpilleur) Brestois (DD)
Destroyer (Torpilleur) Foudroyant (DD)
1st Division of Auxiliary Cruisers
Armed merchant cruiser Ville d'Oran (X05) (10,172 tons)
Armed merchant cruiser El Mansour (X06) (5,818 tons)
Armed merchant cruiser El Kantara (X16) (5,079 tons)
Armed merchant cruiser El Djezair (X17) (5,884 tons)
Transports
Armed merchant cruiser Ville D'Alger (X03) (9,889 tons)
Armed merchant cruiser Colombie (X10) (13,718 tons)
Armed merchant cruiser Djenné (X13) (10,000 ton)
Armed merchant cruiser Mexique (X22) (11,953 tons)
Troopship Flandre (AP) (8,503 tons)
Troopship Président Doumer (AP) (11,898 tons)
Troopship Chenonceaux (AP) (14,825 tons)
Cargo Ship Amiénois (AK) (3,713 tons)
Cargo Ship Saumur (AK) (2,915 tons)
Cargo Ship Cap Blanc (AK) (1,275 tons)
Cargo Ship Château Pavie (AK) (2,047 tons)
Cargo Ship Saint Firmin (AK) (4,528 tons)
Cargo Ship Brestois (AK) (3,094 tons)
Cargo Ship Albert Le Borgne (AK) (3,850 tons)
Cargo Ship Paul Émile Javary (AK) (2,471 tons)
Cargo Ship Saint Clair (AK) (3,753 tons)
Cargo Ship Vulcain (AK) (4,362 tons)
Cargo Ship Enseigne Maurice Préchac (AK) (4,578 tons)




micheljq -> RE: Just for fun (6/8/2010 7:51:19 PM)

What is that, the list of the french ships for the occupation of Narvik?



Extraneous -> RE: Just for fun (6/9/2010 3:59:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: micheljq

What is that, the list of the french ships for the occupation of Narvik?


Its the French Naval forces OOB in the Norway campaign. Just for the people who might be interested in history (or a historical setup).

I'm currently working on:
Marine Nationale Française September 3, 1939
The Norway campaign April 9, 1940 – June 7, 1940
Marine Nationale Française July 3, 1940
Operation Catapult 1940
Operation E Japanese invasion of Thailand and Northeast Malaya 1941
Operation M Japanese invasion of the Philippine Islands 1941
Operation H The Invasion of the Celebes 1942
Operation Torch 1942


I have finished:
The US forces in the Pacific December 7, 1941
Operation Z Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941
American sector Operation Torch 1942
The French Navy in the Norway campaign April 9, 1940 – June 7, 1940

JFYI: OOB - Order of Battle



warspite1 -> RE: Just for fun (7/24/2010 6:44:57 PM)

HELP REQUIRED

Does anybody know what the Siamese coastal defence ships Sri Ayuthia and Dhonburi were named after? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.



Phelan -> RE: Just for fun (7/25/2010 7:37:21 AM)

Ayuthia, or Ayutthaya, was the name of a kingdom that once occupied parts of Thailand, I think that "Sri Ayutthaya" was part of the capital´s name.

Dhonburi was the capital of Thailand after Ayutthaya and before Bangkok became capital.

So, former capital cities seem to be the link.



warspite1 -> RE: Just for fun (7/25/2010 9:41:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phelan

Ayuthia, or Ayutthaya, was the name of a kingdom that once occupied parts of Thailand, I think that "Sri Ayutthaya" was part of the capital´s name.

Dhonburi was the capital of Thailand after Ayutthaya and before Bangkok became capital.

So, former capital cities seem to be the link.

Warspite1

Much appreciated Phelan - I had assumed this would be an unanswered post - so I'm grateful for your assistance [:)].



warspite1 -> RE: Just for fun (7/25/2010 10:01:31 AM)

..and here they are:

[4531 Sri Ayuthia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 5,200 hp
.B Top Speed: 15.5 knots.
.B Main armament: 4 x 8-inch (203mm), 4 x 3-inch (76.2mm) guns
.B Displacement (standard): 2,265 tons
.B Thickest armour: 2.5-inch (belt)
.P In the early thirties the Siamese navy was very small, consisting of just
two small, British built, coastal defence ships and a collection of elderly
torpedo and gunboats.
.P In the mid-thirties, a new Siamese government authorised an increase in
military expenditure and in particular an increase in naval spending. Siam turned
to Japan and Italy for construction of new coastal defence ships, sloops, torpedo
boats and submarines. The largest of the vessels ordered for the new navy were
two cruisers, although the outbreak of the Second World War meant that they were
never delivered by the Italian builders.
.P As a result, at the outbreak of the war in September 1939, the largest ships
in the Siamese navy were the Sri Ayuthias, a class of two coastal defence ships
that were built for the Siamese navy by the Japanese between 1936 and 1938. The
two ships were named Sri Ayuthia (Ayutthaya) and Dhonburi (Thon Buri) after
ancient capitals of Siam.
.P They were not especially powerful or well armoured ships, certainly when
compared to coastal defence vessels in vogue with the Scandanavian countries, but
their four 8-inch guns, fitted in two twin turrets, were capable of packing a
considerable punch. Anti-aircraft (AA) defence was provided by four single 3-inch
guns supported by four 40mm guns for close-range AA protection.
.P Armour defence was not particularly heavy - certainly when compared with their
European counterparts - and both belt and deck armour was more akin to that given
to contemporary cruisers rather than coastal defence ships.
.P These were slow ships, capable of just over 15 knots.
.P Both vessels were badly damaged during the Battle of Koh Chang, the main naval
engagement of the French-Thai war of 1941. The Siamese tried to take advantage of
the recent French defeat at the hands of Germany and so seize disputed border
areas on the Indo-China-Siam border. The battle took place on the 17th January,
when the French cruiser Lamotte-Picquet and her sloop escorts, decisively
defeated ships of the Siamese navy. The Siamese lost three torpedo boats, and
both of the Sri Ayuthias had to be beached to ensure they did not sink after
being badly damaged. Unfortunately for HTMS Dhonburi, she sank later anyway when
under tow.
.P Her sister was luckier and after being repaired, was to survive the war. HTMS
Sri Ayuthia was scrapped in 1951.
.P Note one World In Flames counter (Sri Ayuthia) is marked with a CA (heavy
cruiser) symbol and one (Dhonburi) with CL (light cruiser). This marking has no
effect on game play other than to indicate that Dhonburi is only available when
playing with Cruisers In Flames.



Froonp -> RE: Just for fun (7/25/2010 11:24:48 AM)

Nice reading Andy.



warspite1 -> RE: Just for fun (7/25/2010 11:45:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Nice reading Andy.

Warspite1

Andy? [;)]



Froonp -> RE: Just for fun (7/25/2010 11:46:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Nice reading Andy.

Warspite1

Andy? [;)]


Humm.... Robert.... [:D]



brian brian -> RE: Just for fun (7/27/2010 2:10:46 AM)

nice stuff....didn't the Thai MIL piece have a write-up done for the Thai/French war too? or the Indo-China TERR? Not sure if the write-ups are linked internally?

and I would imagine the Italians probably launched the hulls intended for Thailand and perhaps became other WiF counters instead?



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