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Onime No Kyo -> OT: Medal slightly overdue (11/11/2006 5:27:33 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_us/world_war_i_veteran

Good to hear that the gentleman finally got his medal. It sucks that it had to be used as a photo-op.




m10bob -> RE: OT: Medal slightly overdue (11/11/2006 5:35:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_us/world_war_i_veteran

Good to hear that the gentleman finally got his medal. It sucks that it had to be used as a photo-op.



Instead of seeing this as a "photo op", how about looking at it as the highest elected officer of a state honoring one of its' long unrewarded veterans?
In fifty years, I'm sure that's how his descendents will remember it.......................
As a soldier, we never saluted the man, but the rank.





Onime No Kyo -> RE: OT: Medal slightly overdue (11/11/2006 5:51:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: m10bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_us/world_war_i_veteran

Good to hear that the gentleman finally got his medal. It sucks that it had to be used as a photo-op.

Instead of seeing this as a "photo op", how about looking at it as the highest elected officer of a state honoring one of its' long unrewarded veterans?
In fifty years, I'm sure that's how his descendents will remember it.......................
As a soldier, we never saluted the man, but the rank.


As a soldier I kept my opinions to myself. But as a private citizen I think there is too big a coincidence to suddenly start rewarding our long unrewarded veterans.

In any case, I didnt want to make this a political discussion. Just thought the article was interesting and borderline pertinent. Sorry for that last quip. Please disregard.




mlees -> RE: OT: Medal slightly overdue (11/11/2006 9:41:12 PM)

Let me ask:

As I understand it, a recommendation for a medal for combat heroism is submitted by the service members CO.

In the US, doesn't Congress (the Senate?) has the last, but not the only say, in approving these combat medals? If the recommendation got to the Pentacon, and was shot down there (for whatever reason), that's it, right? Congress won't generally over-rule the military's "disapproved" decision, correct?

Hypothetical:

Private Anderson takes part in the Battle of the Bulge. Capt Woodchuck submits a recommendation for Private Anderson to receive the Silver Star and Purple Heart (postumously). The recommendation gets approved until it reaches the Pentagon. There, General Pantsinawad recalls serving with Private Anderson, and that Private Anderson was a wife beater, resulting in disciplinary actions and personality clashes. So, the General denies the medal. I know there's an appeal process, but generally, the odds are low (or at least glacially slow) that the medal will get approved. In the scenario above, as long as General Pantsinawad is around in the chain somewhere, he will block (or lobby for blockage of) the medal.

How plausable is the above scenario?

A medal for serving in a combat theatre during wartime (like the medal mentioned in the link above) is awarded based on the time you served in the area. Generally, the verbage will be something along the lines of "for serving in active duty in the Pacific Area of Operations, between the dates of 7 December, 1941, and 1 September, 1945".

So, if you report for duty at Pearl Harbor on 10 August, 1945, and get assigned picking up cigarette butts off the ground around the post exchange, you should still get the theatre medal.

What might block such an award, is if some paper work snafu made it seem as if you didnt report for duty until 10 September, 1945, for example.

I dont know the story behind the snafu in the link provided in post #1. Maybe the guy arrived after Armistise Day (11 November 1918), but before the Germans actually signed the Versailles Treaty (June 28, 1919). The USN probably maintained patrols during that period. *shrugs* Dunno. Pure speculation on my part. I don't have a problem calling him a WW1 vet in any case, and honoring his service.




m10bob -> RE: OT: Medal slightly overdue (11/11/2006 11:55:41 PM)

No, the ONLY medal congress approves is the Medal of Honor.(This is why it is so often and WRONGFULLY referred to as the CMH).
The correct title is Medal of Honor, and the awardee is given a monthly cash reward for life, with the medal.
Further, officers are required to salute the medal, just as enlisted men are required to salute commissioned ranks.
Lower medals are approved at more local levels.
I believe the Navy Cross goes as high as the Scty of the Navy, the Soldiers Medal,to the Scty of the Army, etc..
The higher the medal, the higher the final reviewer/approver..




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