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Terminus -> RE: P51B's? (11/26/2006 11:19:11 PM)

So depressingly difficult to get good help these days...



fabertong -> RE: P51B's? (11/26/2006 11:33:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

So depressingly difficult to get good help these days...

Nepotism...In the penguin world is rife........I have all these cousins........and aunt so-and-so's friends on the staff......time to have them shot.......all I need is someone to blame...........



pompack -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 2:01:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

I truly want to play CHS sometime , just scares me by being unfamiliar really. I know stock by rote now, really must take the plunge .. NikMod does do wonders for stock though.


Try the NikMod for CHS then. It's even better

(Well, to be honest it's only just as good as stock NikMod as it relates to Nick's changes, but it certainly does benefit from the CHS map and general CHS goodies (such as P38F))



YankeeAirRat -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 3:48:37 AM)

Question about this.
Most of the sources that I have read was that the P-51B/C were exclusive to the ETO and were not used in the PTO. So does anyone have anything saying that either RAF or USAAF unit x upgrade to P-51B's during the course of the war?



RevRick -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 5:15:11 AM)

I'll have to do some looking, but IIRC, lurking somewhere in my library, some of which is still in storage (great lack of space in current parsonage) are some books with pictures of P-51s with the razor back and only 4 guns in the wings - which are captioned as being located in China. They were also identified as P-51B/C model. Just have to find them.. Of course, only a very few books also write of the reverse lend lease of Mosquitos to the USMC in the Pacific. I'll have to find that also.



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 5:14:54 PM)

<raises hand>

Me :- Please sir , i 'think' i might have found another plane type that has no upgrading option in PDU [X(]

Matrix .. well ? what now ? [:@]

Me :- Um Er Well ,, it's the Vengance DB sir .. US DB's can;t use them and for the life of me no commonwealth Db's can be found by my little brain on the map in 11/42 .. [8|]


RE- PomPak .. its the CHS map i find intimidating ,, esp china. Will give it or RHS a go sometime though. Just can't manage to play the AI anymore after several PBEMS as practise ..

Anyone ? .. It's quite possible i am being dumb here as i didn't look at the incoming a/c sqds b4 posting this .. [&:]



Speedysteve -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 5:41:11 PM)

Hi Rob,

I have Vengenace's in use a fair bit. Atr leats I did until they were replaced by Mossie FB's....

IIRCX there are some Hurrice Squadrons and some Aussie Wirraways units that upgrade to them. I kniow there are 3-4 British Squadrons that can do.

you want another weird plane - Mossie B XXVI that arrives in 1/45. Check out the replacement rate = 0[;)]



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 6:08:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Speedy

Hi Rob,

I have Vengenace's in use a fair bit. Atr leats I did until they were replaced by Mossie FB's....

IIRCX there are some Hurrice Squadrons and some Aussie Wirraways units that upgrade to them. I kniow there are 3-4 British Squadrons that can do.

you want another weird plane - Mossie B XXVI that arrives in 1/45. Check out the replacement rate = 0[;)]


Ah .. might be that .. BUT playing nikmod i think some upgrade paths are changed from basic stock so i havnt found any a/c that can upgrade to Vengance using NikMod PDU.

That looks like a 'useful ' mossie varient [;)]




saj42 -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 7:28:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Ah .. might be that .. BUT playing nikmod i think some upgrade paths are changed from basic stock so i havnt found any a/c that can upgrade to Vengance using NikMod PDU.

That looks like a 'useful ' mossie varient [;)]


I've got an old game of Scen 145 (Campaign 42A Nik Mod) - Vengeance is in upgrade path for RAAF Sqdns 12,23,24,& 25



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 10:24:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tallyho!


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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Ah .. might be that .. BUT playing nikmod i think some upgrade paths are changed from basic stock so i havnt found any a/c that can upgrade to Vengance using NikMod PDU.

That looks like a 'useful ' mossie varient [;)]


I've got an old game of Scen 145 (Campaign 42A Nik Mod) - Vengeance is in upgrade path for RAAF Sqdns 12,23,24,& 25


Excellent .. thank you tallyho .. I'll check them when i get a new turn .. many thanks .. have a [sm=party-smiley-012.gif]



saj42 -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 11:39:54 PM)

I hope you find a home for them Rob, anything is better than those Wirraways [:D]
It was an early version of NikMod that the game was started in, I hope v8 hasn't changed anything.

As for the P-51Bs I can't find any squadron with it in the upgrade path[:(]



Speedysteve -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 11:48:24 PM)

There aren't any. Is a guaranteed no go[;)]



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: P51B's? (11/27/2006 11:55:14 PM)

Do any groups arrive with it ? i'm guessing not from the general demenour of the discussion. oh well at least there will be a lot available for post war museums and collectors of vintage planes [;)]



Speedysteve -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 12:14:50 AM)

NO[;)]

For the last time guys THERE IS NOT CHANCE OF GETTING P51B''S IN STOCK[;)]

No groups arrive with it = therefore not an upgrade option for existing FG's = no chance for deployment.

Those museums are great though Rob[:)]



stonefoot -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 5:03:07 AM)

I know for sure that the 51B's were used in China. My brother-in-law flew one in China, Got a couple of kills. My image is his squadron patch.



tsimmonds -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 2:59:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Speedy

NO[;)]

For the last time guys THERE IS NOT CHANCE OF GETTING P51B''S IN STOCK[;)]

No groups arrive with it = therefore not an upgrade option for existing FG's = no chance for deployment.

Those museums are great though Rob[:)]

THe only way to be absolutely sure of this would be to go through all the air units one by one using the database editor, looking to see what each one upgraded to. It is possible to override the standard path for an individual unit.



kilowatts -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 4:34:21 PM)

Mustangs were used extensively in CBI and if you search for 'P51 Burma' you'll find references that the 311 FBG flew an escort mission to Rangoon (though with P51As) on November 25th 1943. P51s were operating in China before that date.

Links...
Army Air Forces web site reference for 311FBG
USAAF Combat Chronology - Go to November 1943.

Shame about not being able to use P51Bs in the game. Wonder who was [>:] to let that get by.



Terminus -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 5:13:27 PM)

311th Group uses the A-36 in the game. Guess that stands in for the P-51A/B...



Hoplosternum -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 6:00:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: irrelevant


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ORIGINAL: Speedy

NO[;)]

For the last time guys THERE IS NOT CHANCE OF GETTING P51B''S IN STOCK[;)]

No groups arrive with it = therefore not an upgrade option for existing FG's = no chance for deployment.

Those museums are great though Rob[:)]

THe only way to be absolutely sure of this would be to go through all the air units one by one using the database editor, looking to see what each one upgraded to. It is possible to override the standard path for an individual unit.


Well looking at the old spreadsheets for stock at 1.3 P51Bs are neither the start plane or upgrade plane of any squadron. I had hoped the Apache upgrades to them but they go to the Thunderbolt.... [:(]



Feinder -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 9:33:14 PM)

A-36 was different than the P-51B tho, yes?

A-36 had Allison, and P-51 had Merlin engine, right?

Don't know the WitP stats off the top of my head, but I'm fairly sure the peformance of an A-36 would -not- be nearly that of a P-51B...?

-F-



Terminus -> RE: P51B's? (11/28/2006 9:53:54 PM)

And it's not in WitP either. Stock stats include max speed of 390 vs. 419 mph, climb rate of 1852 vs. 3300, and max altitude of 32000 vs 41800 feet.

TLAR...



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