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USSLockwood -> Can't attach corps to Army (12/14/2006 8:48:05 AM)
I have a problem attaching a fourth corps to the Army of the Potomac. The AOTP has 3 corps already attached, but wll not accept a fourth. According to the manual, this shouldn't be a problem. Any ideas?

jsaurman -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/14/2006 9:25:29 AM)
You probably are maxed out on manpower or divisions. An army can accept only a total of 8 corps OR 35 divisions OR 140,000 men. So even if you have only three corps attached, if you are at 120,000 men, you can't attach another corps with 30,000 men.

Tom_Doc_Holliday -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/14/2006 1:23:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jsaurman You probably are maxed out on manpower or divisions. An army can accept only a total of 8 corps OR 35 divisions OR 140,000 men. So even if you have only three corps attached, if you are at 120,000 men, you can't attach another corps with 30,000 men. Is there a way to mod these limits, or will that make the game unstable?

Twotribes -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/14/2006 3:37:43 PM)
The limits are moddable. I have done it. The limits are set by number of Brigades that can be in each container ( not that I can see anywhere, by number of subcontainers). I suggest if you change one sides numbers you change the other as well. The US is set for 5 brigades a Division, 15 brigades ( I believe) a Corps and 34 brigades an Army. The Confederates are a little higher on all 3 numbers. Gah I forget the file right now to mod. they are all in Data though and can be modified by notepad or a better program.

jsaurman -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 7:41:52 AM)
I only play Union, and those limits I quoted were from one of my armies in the current game. I don't think different armies have different quotas, or do they? I haven't modded anything. JIM

chris0827 -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 7:48:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes The limits are moddable. I have done it. The limits are set by number of Brigades that can be in each container ( not that I can see anywhere, by number of subcontainers). I suggest if you change one sides numbers you change the other as well. The US is set for 5 brigades a Division, 15 brigades ( I believe) a Corps and 34 brigades an Army. The Confederates are a little higher on all 3 numbers. Gah I forget the file right now to mod. they are all in Data though and can be modified by notepad or a better program. Another totally unhistoric constraint on the union side. It's like limiting an essex class carrier to 50 planes in a WW II game to give the japanese a chance.

jimwinsor -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 7:59:42 AM)
Well no, it's actually historic; the CSA divs and corps tended to contain one extra sub unit, on average, than their Union counterparts. This was a consequence of each sides intrinsic organizational doctrines.

chris0827 -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 8:09:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jimwinsor Well no, it's actually historic; the CSA divs and corps tended to contain one extra sub unit, on average, than their Union counterparts. This was a consequence of each sides intrinsic organizational doctrines. Confederate corps and divisions were on average larger than union ones but armies were not. In only one major battle in the entire war did a confederate army outnumber a union army and that was when Longstreet reinforced Bragg at Chickamauga. It impossible to create an Army of the Potomac that is equal in size to the historic one in this game.

chris0827 -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 8:10:51 AM)
I forgot to add that confederate brigades were almost always smaller than union brigades in the war.

jimwinsor -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 3:49:36 PM)
A theoretical army limit of "8 corps OR 35 divisions OR 140,000 men" seems to me would hold the AoP. Right?

chris0827 -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 5:25:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jimwinsor A theoretical army limit of "8 corps OR 35 divisions OR 140,000 men" seems to me would hold the AoP. Right? The last time I checked 3,000 times 35 equaled 105,000.

pompack -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 8:07:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chris0827 quote: ORIGINAL: jimwinsor A theoretical army limit of "8 corps OR 35 divisions OR 140,000 men" seems to me would hold the AoP. Right? The last time I checked 3,000 times 35 equaled 105,000. [&:] Brigades are 3000. Divisions tend to be somewhat larger, usually.[:D]

jimwinsor -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 8:27:21 PM)
Actually, no, I think I might have been mistaken...I was copying the 35 Divisions reference from someone else above...but looking the files I am beginning to think it IS actually 35 Brigades as a limit... That being the case (?) then yeah, it makes sense to boost that number for the Union to 50...maybe allow then a ~150K man AoP that way.

chris0827 -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/15/2006 9:33:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jimwinsor Actually, no, I think I might have been mistaken...I was copying the 35 Divisions reference from someone else above...but looking the files I am beginning to think it IS actually 35 Brigades as a limit... That being the case (?) then yeah, it makes sense to boost that number for the Union to 50...maybe allow then a ~150K man AoP that way. It is brigades but I think the manual says divisions.

Tom_Doc_Holliday -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/18/2006 11:50:43 AM)
I did some digging into the Battle of Gettysburg and came up with the following numbers for the AoP and ANV. AoP in game terms would have had: 1 Army container 8 Corps containers (including 1 Cavalry Corps) 23 Division containers (including 1 Artillery Division at the Army level - the "Arty Res") 75 Brigades or equivalents (I looked at artillery Battalions as equivalent to a FoF Brigade) I forgot to write the total strength down, but I believe it was ~125,000. ANV in game terms would have had: 1 Army container 4 Corps containers (including 1 Cavalry Corps) 9 Division containers 60 Brigades or equivalents Same mistake for strength, ~95,000. As you can see the AoP had many more containers, but not that many more Brigades or troops overall. The USA Corps and Divisions tended to be smaller than their CSA counterparts. Recommend the group limits be changed to the following: USA Army container - 10 units (Corps, Division, or directly attached Brigade) with a max of 8 Corps per Corps container - 5 units (Division or directly attached Brigade) with a max of 3 Division per Division container - max of 4 Brigades Total # of troops - 150,000 CSA Army container - 6 units (Corps, Division, or directly attached Brigade) with a max of 5 Corps per Corps container - 8 units (Division or directly attached Brigade) with a max of 4 Division per Division container - max of 6 Brigades Total # of troops - 120,000 I think this will give more of the historical organization people are asking for, but maintain some flexibility for the player to work with. Doc

Mike Scholl -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/18/2006 2:15:05 PM)
One quick question? Where and when did you find a Confederate Army of 120,000? Wouldn't 90,000 be more correct? The South's real "organization" advantage seems to have been in needing fewer commanders within their armies because their sub-units could hold more---thus allowing them to pick and choose for leadership quality better. Though even that wasn't always the case..., some of the Union Corps at Chancelorsville were quite a large as anything the Rebels every fielded.

Twotribes -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/18/2006 2:17:08 PM)
The game does NOT actually limit containers inside containers. The limit is based solely on brigades. Or at least that is my experience. I can put 4 divisions in a Corps now as the US as long as I dont exceed the brigade count, havent found a need to put 5 divisions inside a corps yet. Rule states 3 Divisions max in a Corps for the US. And when one checks the file with the listed limits all you find is one number which would seem to be Brigades.

ericbabe -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/18/2006 3:52:39 PM)
It's true there's no strength limit per se, just a brigade limit. (The incidental strength limit follows from the brigade limit...)

Tom_Doc_Holliday -> RE: Can't attach corps to Army (12/18/2006 4:46:01 PM)
With regards to total strength, I intentionally increased the amounts found in the ACW in order to give the player an ability to do things slightly ahistorical. That is why I recommended a cap on the Union at 150,000. Also over historical numbers by a small margin. The rest of my suggestions seem to be mute given ericbabe's admission that the only other cap is Brigades.

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