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Saburo Sakai -> Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 1:23:45 PM)

I occupied Akyab and most part of Burma. The date is april 1942.

Now I'd lilke to continue my expansion but I don't know if it's better to proceed directly into India, towards Chittagong and Dacca or to try to capture Ceylon first, to cut off RN.
What do you think guys? Philippines and DEI are in my hands, Port Moresby and New Caledonia too, so I have a lot of free divisions.



Terminus -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 1:31:45 PM)

Take Ceylon. It secures your seaward flank...



Ian R -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 1:50:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Take Ceylon. It secures your seaward flank...


And then head straight up the coast to Bombay and Karachi and really stuff the Briish empire. If all goes well you'll bve marching North to Assam and China in 1943. [;)]




Terminus -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 1:53:32 PM)

Hey, he asked...[:D]



Ian R -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 3:12:50 PM)

I dream of advancing north over the Burma Road and  triumphantly entering Kunming from the south astride a white stallion.

And then moving some stuff in China out to the defensive crust of the GEACPS, particularly the highly trained pilots to be 90 exp kamikazes [:D]




Terminus -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 3:23:03 PM)

Good luck with that...



Ian R -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 3:43:52 PM)

Well you only have to sink about 20 carriers to win the war. 26 if you include the BPF but they wouldn't be turning up (unless they pop up in Sydney instead or something)




Terminus -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 4:07:45 PM)

So? Is this a problem?

Seriously, others have successfully invaded Ceylon, but it does take some doing. Early-to-mid 42 is probably a good time for it, before the RN gets too powerful and the IJN takes too many losses.



Ian R -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 4:52:20 PM)

No trouble with 90 experience kamikazes.

I also don't think Sri Lanka is particularly well garrisoned at that early stage - unless the allied player moved something there especially -  and its one of those big islands where you can land next to the base and attack along the coast if you need to.  Saburo is well ahead of schedule so I think he should go for it.



tsimmonds -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 6:36:11 PM)

Definitely Ceylon. Taking Ceylon makes it extremely difficult if not impossible for the Allied player to move ships between Aden/Bombay/Karachi on the one hand and Calcutta/Diamond Harbor on the other. Then you have pretty much free rein in the Bay of Bengal.



Saburo Sakai -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 7:33:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Definitely Ceylon. Taking Ceylon makes it extremely difficult if not impossible for the Allied player to move ships between Aden/Bombay/Karachi on the one hand and Calcutta/Diamond Harbor on the other. Then you have pretty much free rein in the Bay of Bengal.


I'm a little worried about Colombo and Trincomalee fortification. And, by the way, I suppose it's better to land in Colombo right?



Terminus -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 7:33:54 PM)

Probably, but not necessarily. Depends on a lot of factors...



Mike Solli -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 7:44:36 PM)

I'd take the Andaman Islands.  Build the airfield up to level 4 and station a couple daitai each of Zero and Nell/Betties.  Add a few Mavis/Emily.  You can make the area into an Axis lake.



tsimmonds -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 7:50:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Saburo Sakai


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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Definitely Ceylon. Taking Ceylon makes it extremely difficult if not impossible for the Allied player to move ships between Aden/Bombay/Karachi on the one hand and Calcutta/Diamond Harbor on the other. Then you have pretty much free rein in the Bay of Bengal.


I'm a little worried about Colombo and Trincomalee fortification. And, by the way, I suppose it's better to land in Colombo right?

I took Ceylon once landing at Trinco and marching overland to Colombo. Depends on what map you're using. At least one map has a trail through a mountain hex. I wouldn't care to march through that.

Don't forget to bring minesweepers!

It's a big op, will take a lot of planning.[;)]

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I'd take the Andaman Islands.


I'm assuming that you already have done this.



Saburo Sakai -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 8:46:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: irrelevant


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ORIGINAL: Saburo Sakai


quote:

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Definitely Ceylon. Taking Ceylon makes it extremely difficult if not impossible for the Allied player to move ships between Aden/Bombay/Karachi on the one hand and Calcutta/Diamond Harbor on the other. Then you have pretty much free rein in the Bay of Bengal.


I'm a little worried about Colombo and Trincomalee fortification. And, by the way, I suppose it's better to land in Colombo right?

I took Ceylon once landing at Trinco and marching overland to Colombo. Depends on what map you're using. At least one map has a trail through a mountain hex. I wouldn't care to march through that.

Don't forget to bring minesweepers!

It's a big op, will take a lot of planning.[;)]

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I'd take the Andaman Islands.


I'm assuming that you already have done this.




Oh yes. I've already done a month ago.

I'm using CHS mode with AB extended map.



PetrOs -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 8:53:27 PM)

I usually take Ceylon first, then land some 8-10 divisions at Karachi. Usually in august 42 - can gather enough troops until then, and have some Tony/Tojo squadrons to finally use good army pilots effectively. Actually, never landing on a base directly, but always on a coastal road if possible. Goes slower, but no losses to coastal arty/defences. 2 Daitais Zeros A6M2 for long range escort, 2 Sentais Tony or Tojo for base defence and short-range escort, 2 Daitais Nell/Betty, and 2-3 Sentais Anns/Marys/Sallys/Helens for dive/skip bombing at Ceilon - enough to block and sink most of the british fleet. Similar amount of air force is in reserve/ground support.

Troops I use - I march 5-8 China area divisions (replaced in turn by 10 mongolian cavalry divisions from manchuria - ideal china garrison troops) to relieve the (loadable) troops in Lashio/Mandalay/Rangoon, and gather most troops from philippines/burma area/DEI, and reassign 1-2 divisions from home defence for this attack. Its about some 12-14 movable divisions and/or strong brigades. One or two other divisions, and 2-3 brigades can be still operated in the solomons/Fiji/Pago Pago area.

After sweeping the India completely by mid-43, I leave a few troops there, and make a landing at the australian north coast.... By this time, austraila is low on supply, due to a massed Betty/Nell presence in Wallis/Tongatapu/Canton Is./Pago Pago/Tarawa, sinking most inbound transport flow.....




Terminus -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 9:06:08 PM)

Uh-huh... That's a lot of Political Points...



PetrOs -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 9:26:12 PM)

Well, yeah
However, mongolians are just marched there, not reassigned
also the divisions replacing the burma area ones are still china area.... just marched over the coastal railroad/road
some troops participating in the landing are southern area, some burma area - no reassignments here too...
really reassigned is only 1-2 home defence division, followed by 1-2 china area ones in late 42/early 43
Plus reassignment of aircraft.

It really leaves DEI and phillipines naked, only protected by the base forces...


However, I was damn lucky in that game, and by 44 i had ALL my carriers operational, havent lost any, and sinking all incoming US ones... as it was an AI game on very hard, and AI was throwing them in by 1-2 apiece.... 8 big carriers to fight the americans off, and all small/escort ones as india invasion support.
Also using 7 battleships (Yamato, both Nagatos and all 4 Kongos in 2 TFs) for fire support in india... makes quite a difference if fighting for a coastal city.. average of 2000 killed troops per TF per bombardment....





Mike Solli -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 10:05:34 PM)

Not sure about the mods, but in stock the Mongolian Cav Divisions are all part of the China Army, not Kwantung.



fabertong -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 10:12:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Not sure about the mods, but in stock the Mongolian Cav Divisions are all part of the China Army, not Kwantung.

Shock...horror....Mike in CHS the Mong.Cav.Divs. are Kwantung............



Mike Solli -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 10:14:10 PM)

Doh!  Gotta install that tonight to see what other nasties Nik has done to us. [8D]



rtrapasso -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/22/2007 10:21:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Doh!  Gotta install that tonight to see what other nasties Nik has done to us. [8D]


Well, not to defend Nik per se, but i don't think it was HIM who was responsible for the IJA OOB...



Ian R -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/23/2007 3:36:05 AM)

Petros,

Maybe you should have switched the allies to human control as well, leaving everything but Centpac on computer control, and then marshalled the USN for an offensive along the line Wake/Marcus/ Iwo/ Okinawa with a view to starting bombing with B24s. Then you could have had some very big carrier battles to make for a very interesting mini AAR.



PetrOs -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/23/2007 1:01:09 PM)

Well, I am playing a new jap game now, and im on the 1st august 42 now. I just had a decisive battle against AI controlled 4 big US carriers. 2 TFs of 2, screened by a damn heavy AA escort of 3 old battleships and 2-4 cruisers each TF. They escorted a large convoy towards my forward base at Canton Island. On my side, I had a superior force of 3 carrier task forces (gathered at Kwajelein for a raid on pearl harbour and west coast), all screened by 2 CAs, 1 CS, and 10 destroyers. Kaga, Akagi, Junyo, Hiyo under Yamaguchi, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu, Soryu under Abe in second, and 3rd one with Ryujo, Shoho, Zuiho, Hosho, Unyo, Chuyo under Yamada. I annihilated the carriers and most escorts (confirmed 2 battleships, and 4 cruisers now, other battleships got amount of toprs not compatible with flotation...). Convoy was also dumped, I would guess about 30-40 APs/AKs sunk in 5 days bashing. I lost no ship, Kaga got one bomb (10 percent damage), Zuiho also 1 bomb (12 percent), and Shokaku 1 torp and one bomb (27 percent). Chokai also got a bomb, knocking out 1 8" turret. However, it costed me about 250 aircraft lost.. most of Vals and Kates are gone, especially on the large carriers....




Ian R -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/23/2007 1:11:28 PM)

I hope you had the full depiction on to watch that unfold.




PetrOs -> RE: Akyab - and then? (1/23/2007 1:48:58 PM)

Yeah, it was a very nice to watch to! However, now most carrier air groups (except Zeros, they lost quite few) have experience of 35-50 only.... Except a Group of Zuikaku which attacked carriers as last wave and lost only 2 kates and 3 vals... and one more of each in transport bashing.



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