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Veers -> Questions on flanking penalty (1/25/2007 1:53:00 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
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ORIGINAL: mantill
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ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
So your unit attacks but get shot up due to disengagement shot and then defends in the same turn with passive equipment also. So you attack but also get attacked with them getting flank attack.
part of TOAW magic.
I have brought some enlightenment here hehe.
Mr Brains
While what you say is true if you look a little further down the manual you will also see what I said was true as well. From the TOAW manual
In units attacked from any two, or more, non-adjacent hexes in
the same Turn, passively-defending equipment (such as Artillery)
will be forced to participate directly in combat. The attacks
need not be combined. One unit can “pin” from one direction,
while another executes the “Flanking” Attack. If a unit that attacked
earlier in the Turn is itself later attacked, the original Attack
is considered a “defense” for this purpose. This means that
if a unit attacks to the south, but is itself later attacked from the
north, it will suffer the Flank Attack penalty. Likewise, a unit that
attacks into two, or more, non-adjacent hexes will suffer a Flank
Attack from the defensive fire of the defending units. Units that
split into sub-units and attack into two or more non-adjacent
hexes will cause the parent unit (and any subsequently re-split
sub-units) to be subject to Flank Attacks if the sub-units recombine
afterwards on the same Turn that the sub-unit Attacks are
made. Once a unit has its flank “turned,” all further attacks in that
Turn against it, or by it (in the case of Defensive Fire against Attacking
units), will be a Flank Attack until it retreats (defenders)
or advances (attackers). Units are not subject to the Flank Attack
penalty immediately after any movement out of the hex from
which they were attacked, or attacked out of.
This is just splendid :(
I apologize. I was talking about TOAW COW not this piece of garbage software called TOAW 3.(and I mean it).
Interesting they revised the manual but somebody HAD to tell them to write the manual so that EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS not just author himself (I presume James Mathews).
For God sake what means attacks into two non adjacent hexes? Then made diagram. I can barely understand that and I play TOAW for eons. And in fact, James wanted to ilustrate thing that happened to me. I think that when you attack at one hex and other enemy has pinned you 90 degrees or 180 degrees you can get attacked BY THAT UNIT and I think suffer flanking attack (not sure if then both units will give you flank spanking I admit but one for sure, logically).
And I think that it will not happen ALL THE TIME, which they forgot to write as well. Blah.
Same this subunit paragraph - is everything in TOAW 3 manual explained that way? Jesus Christ. When manual is wrote you must write so that last idiot understand that.
(and any subsequently re-split
sub-units) to be subject to Flank Attacks if the sub-units recombine
afterwards on the same Turn that the sub-unit Attacks are
made.
what this means is lot's of bollocks I guess. Because flanking attack is made on the attacking PHASE not afterwards AFTER YOU RECOMBINE your unit. I think that this is FALSE.
I am glad that I didn'd bought this piece of **** called TOAW 3 and I will stay on COW.
edit lol:
Units are not subject to the Flank Attack
penalty immediately after any movement out of the hex from
which they were attacked, or attacked out of.
So here comes dummy noob and want that you explain this? What means immeadiately? If I turn flanks again on some unit is that immediately or what? LOL LOL but again I admit this I don't understand. Poor noobs I say.
This is from Larry Fulkerson's excellent FitE AAR in the AAR section. Not wanting to clutter it up, I have moved it here.
First, Monkey Brain, that's an AAR, and a very good one, you'd do well not to clutter it up unnecessarily.
Second, cursing and swearing in the thread is totally unnecessary, and unwanted, I, and I am sure others, would appreciate it if you could tone it down a bit.
Third, please, learn how to make yourself coherent before you start rambling on about someone else's coherency.
Thank you,
Wyatt T. Courtney
P.S. Sorry for continuing this here, James and Ralph, but this one really got under my skin.
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