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tocaff -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/25/2007 11:59:59 PM)

The distance was cut down more than a bit and the flooding "only" increased by 2.  She might actually have an outside chance of making it.  Still a long way to go.  CF is supplying me with some of the best reading I've had in a while.  




princep01 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/26/2007 12:11:25 AM)

A rare Saturday rendition of the Hiryu Sagas.  Kaleun, you should thank the storyteller for his largess.  I do.




Mike Solli -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/26/2007 1:22:18 AM)

Hiryu'll make it.  She's tough. 




brisd -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/27/2007 10:20:02 PM)

I am curious about the PO mess on this ship.  I know that CPO's in the IJN nowdays have there own mess separate from the lower ranks (in the RN and USN tradition).  It would seem very unusual to me third class PO's would be in the same mess as CPO's.  There is less distinction between seaman and PO3's in the USN than there is between CPO's and the next rank down, 1st class, let alone 2nd or 3rd.  Of course the Hibiki is quite small and crapped compared to any modern destroyer.  I know something about all this having served 20 years in the USN, now almost ten years retired (CPO).  I once visited the CPO mess on a Japanese destroyer, quite a pleasant experience.

Great AAR as always, keep the pumps at full speed! [:)]

A CPO Shun fan...




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/28/2007 9:43:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: brisd

I am curious about the PO mess on this ship.  I know that CPO's in the IJN nowdays have there own mess separate from the lower ranks (in the RN and USN tradition).  It would seem very unusual to me third class PO's would be in the same mess as CPO's.  There is less distinction between seaman and PO3's in the USN than there is between CPO's and the next rank down, 1st class, let alone 2nd or 3rd.  Of course the Hibiki is quite small and crapped compared to any modern destroyer.  I know something about all this having served 20 years in the USN, now almost ten years retired (CPO).  I once visited the CPO mess on a Japanese destroyer, quite a pleasant experience.

Great AAR as always, keep the pumps at full speed! [:)]

A CPO Shun fan...


A good question. The short answer is, I just don't know.

You would be amazed how hard it is to find answers for something like this. I can tell you exactly were every weapon and almost every other piece of equipment was located aboard Hibiki. There is a lot less information about the human factor. First hand accounts I’ve read, such as Hara's "Japanese Destroyer Captain", don't tend to mention this sort of detail except by accident.

It is clear that Japanese enlisted men put up with conditions aboard their destroyers before and during World War II that would have appalled even the prisoners at Alcatraz. I don't think even PO3's were treated quite as badly; since as far as I can learn there was only one mess for petty officers aboard Akatsuki-class destroyers I decided it was likely that all petty officers ate there.

I could very well be wrong. The Japanese modeled a lot of their practices on those in the RN, as you mentioned. If so I will try to claim creative license. It made a pretty good story, so lacking concrete information I wrote it that way.




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/28/2007 9:52:34 PM)

March 11, 1943

Location: 360 miles southeast of Tjilitjap
Course: Northwest
Attached to: TF 72
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 4
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 427

Orders: Escort damaged carriers to Tjilitjap for emergency repairs

---

Training in the Japanese Navy is brutally calculated to instill unquestioning obedience. During training, and aboard some ships, physical punishment is handed out almost at random and for any infraction, including failing to respond to a superior quickly enough or even for failing to respond with the appropriate amount of enthusiasm.

Captain Ishii despises this practice and forbids random physical punishment, but nonetheless runs a tight ship. As per regulations, most discipline is handled by the offender’s immediate superior. Some more serious cases are passed up to the executive officer, Lieutenant Miharu. In some instances he will in turn pass the case up to Captain Ishii, but this is rare.

Nonetheless he is wishing he could do that right now. The large box on the wardroom table keeps twitching, and Miharu is having trouble not shifting away from it every time it does. He maintains his imperturbability with an effort, however, and focuses on the young sailor standing on the other side of the table. Though the young man is standing rigidly at attention Lieutenant Miharu can tell that he is very nervous. This is probably not helped by the fact that the only other man in the room is Chief Petty Officer Shun, who is standing just inside the wardroom door.

“Seaman Oizuma,” the Miharu says, indicating the box. “This box contains a snake that was retrieved from the forward engine room, where it was curled up around a pump. It liked the heat, no doubt. I am told that you may know something about this snake.” He finishes and looks expectantly at Oizuma. Something inside the box rustles restlessly.

“Yes sir,” says Seaman Oizuma. He swallows nervously. “That’s my snake, sir.”

“I see,” says Miharu. “Go on. Tell me, please, about this snake, and why it is aboard Hibiki.”

“She’s a Borneo blood python,” says Oizuma. “I got her at Balikpapan. She’s, uh, she’s for the rats, sir.”

“Rats?”

“Yes sir, we have some rats in our bunk area. There was a man selling snakes at Balikpapan, and he said she would take care of the rat problem.” Lieutenant Miharu leans back in his chair, a move that seems casual but actually puts him another foot farther away from something called a “blood python”.

“I see,” he says. “You know, of course, that regulations forbid crew from bringing pets or any other animals aboard ship.”

“Yes sir,” says Oizuma. “I offer no excuse, sir.”

“Very well,” says the lieutenant. “You are deprived of all leave for one month, that should keep you out of trouble for a while at least. Oh, and kill the snake and dispose of it.”

“Kill Benzaiten, sir?” says Oizuma in dismay.

“Benzaiten?” answers Miharu. He is rather amused by the name, though he doesn’t show it. “Yes, you heard me correctly. We can’t have this thing running around the ship any more.”

“Yes sir,” says Oizuma stoically. He receives help from an unexpected source as Shun suddenly stirs from immobility behind him.

“Permission to speak, Lieutenant,” he says in his gravelly voice.

“Granted,” says Miharu.

“Sir,” says Shun, “the rodent population aboard ship has dropped noticeably since we left Balikpapan.” Lieutenant Miharu thinks for a moment. He knows Shun well enough to know that the Chief would not speak up without good reason, though he has doubts that one snake could eat enough rats in two weeks to make a difference.

Reluctantly he stands and takes the lid off the box on the table. Curled inside is a four-foot snake with a tan and brown body and a reddish head. It flicks its tongue at him. Really, it doesn’t look so bad.

“All right,” he says. “I will grant a stay of execution. Oizuma, build a proper box for this thing. Your duffel bag doesn’t seem to do the job. If it ends up in the engine room again I am not answerable for what Chief Engineer Sakati does. The rest of your punishment stands. “

“Yes sir, thank you sir,” says Oizuma happily.

“Dismissed,” says the lieutenant. “And take this thing with you,” he says, indicating the box. Oizuma salutes and does so. After the door closes Miharu looks at Shun.

“All right, Chief,” he says, “what’s the real reason?” Shun steps forward, looking as though he was expecting the question.

“It’s the name,” he says. “Benzaiten is a lucky goddess. She is connected to the sea and to snakes and dragons.” He stops and looks at the executive officer. Miharu shakes his head, not understanding. Shun’s expression doesn’t change, but Miharu gets the impression Shun thinks he is being dense.

Hiryu,” says Shun, and suddenly the lieutenant understands.

“Flying dragon,” he says. “You think that if I order the snake killed and the carrier sinks…”

“Then people will say it’s because we killed the snake, yes sir,” finishes Shun. Lieutenant Miharu shakes his head.

“That’s ridiculous,” he says.

“Sir, with respect you are an intellectual, an educated man,” says Shun. “Perhaps you forget how deep old beliefs go, and how superstitious most sailors are.” Miharu considers this for a moment.

“All right,” he says, giving in with a laugh. “I trust your instincts, Chief. And who knows, perhaps Benzaiten will help save Hiryu.” Shun looks grave.

“Yes sir,” he says, “maybe she will.”

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 68, Fires 0: Distance to port: 360 miles





cantona2 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/28/2007 10:16:43 PM)

She makes it...or the snake gets the chop!!!




Capt. Harlock -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/28/2007 10:19:00 PM)

quote:

“It’s the name,” he says. “Benzaiten is a lucky goddess. She is connected to the sea and to snakes and dragons.” He stops and looks at the executive officer. Miharu shakes his head, not understanding. Shun’s expression doesn’t change, but Miharu gets the impression Shun thinks he is being dense.

“Hiryu,” says Shun, and suddenly the lieutenant understands.

“Flying dragon,” he says. “You think that if I order the snake killed and the carrier sinks…”

“Then people will say it’s because we killed the snake, yes sir,” finishes Shun.


I am impressed still more [&o] [&o]. You've clearly done an extraordinary amount of research on this!




Lecivius -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/28/2007 10:37:12 PM)

Ahh, my daily Hibiki fix [8D]




a7v -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/28/2007 10:38:34 PM)

Please...    
I have barely any nails left and , what is worse, you made me write my 3rd post in 6 years [image]http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/micons/m11.gif[/image] just to beg for more.

Although there is a couple of good AARs, which I follow on a daily base, this one is my absolute favorite.

Thanks Cuttlefish for your efforts [image]http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/micons/m16.gif[/image]


and may Hibiki survive   [&o]










tocaff -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/29/2007 3:35:24 PM)

How much time and thought goes into this saga?  It's well worth it and the admission is free!  Damned good entertainment CF!




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/29/2007 9:30:21 PM)

March 12, 1943

Location: 250 miles southeast of Tjilitjap
Course: Northwest
Attached to: TF 72
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 4
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 412

Orders: Escort damaged carriers to Tjilitjap for emergency repairs

---

Time seems to have slowed to a crawl for the men of the Indian Ocean Strike Force. Tjilitjap draws slowly but steadily closer, but the pace is so glacial compared to what the sailors crewing these fast warships are used to that it seems as though they are hardly moving at all.

The only ones who are too busy to feel this way are the men fighting deep below decks aboard Hiryu to stave off the flooding. The work is backbreaking and dangerous, but while the waters are slowly winning the men have thus far limited the damage enough to give Hiryu a chance to reach port.

Men and machinery are reaching their limits, however. Pumps begin to fail after a week of heavy use, and manual labor too is beginning to falter as men reach their limit. More pumps and men are transferred from Zuikaku in an effort to keep Hiryu afloat just a few more days.

---

At Tjilitjap a pair of small transports drop anchor in the harbor. These ships contain support staff and damage control experts from Second Fleet headquarters in Singapore. As these men disembark another ship arrives. This is the repair ship Kitahuku Maru, also from Singapore. The chief repair engineer inspects the harbor facilities and shakes his head sadly. The facilities are suitable for coastal luggers and tramp steamers, not for fleet carriers. Still, they will do what they can with what they have to work with if Hiryu successfully makes port.

---

“Hey, Oizuma!” calls Shiro cheerfully. “I finished it.” He and Riku enter the chain storage locker that Oizuma and a number of other sailors use as a bunk room. They are lugging a sturdy wooden rectangular crate. Seaman Oizuma looks up from his hammock, then expertly times his roll out of it with the roll of the ship. He comes over to the two men as they set down the crate.

“That looks good!” he says enthusiastically. “Thanks a lot, Kurumata!” He looks the crate over. “You really should not have gone to so much effort, I am not worthy of the amount of time you obviously put into this.”

“Nonsense,” Shiro says. “My poor efforts are hardly good enough for Benzaiten.” Riku laughs.

“I still can’t believe you named her Benzaiten,” he says. “That’s pretty cheeky, Oizuma.”

“I thought maybe it would bring us luck,” says Oizuma, looking a little embarrassed.

“Let’s see this famous snake,” says Shiro. Oizuma brightens. He leads the other two over to a large leather satchel stowed under his hammock. “She’s in here,” he says. Shiro kneels down and unfastens the clasps on the bag. Riku, not quite as fond of snakes, hangs back a little. Shiro peers inside.

“I’ve made a mistake,” he says in dismay. “She’s much smaller than I thought. The crate I made will never hold her.”

“What?” says Oizuma in confusion. He bends over beside Shiro, pushing the hammock out of the way. In the center of the bag is a tiny snake. It looks just like Benzaiten, but much smaller. Shiro carefully lifts it out. Oizuma looks at it, then lifts the bag and peers more deeply into it.

He reaches in and pulls out a fragment of eggshell, and then another. Then he reaches in and pulls out three more small snakes, cradling them gently. One bites his finger, but he hardly notices. Shiro reaches out and pokes his fingers through a hole at one end of the bag.

“Oh no,” moans Oizuma. “The Lieutenant is going to kill me!” Riku shakes his head.

“Nonsense,” he says. “That won’t happen. He’ll have Shun do it. Painfully.”

“Messily,” Shiro agrees. Oizuma leans against a bulkhead and slides slowly down it until he is sitting on the floor, still holding the snakes. Shiro bends over and adds his snake to the little writhing bundle and then roots through the satchel for a moment.

“Maybe we have all the snakes except Benzaiten,” says Oizuma hopefully.

“I count twenty-two empty eggshells,” says Shiro.

“Only eighteen missing, then,” says Riku. “And Benzaiten, of course.” Oizuma groans and hangs his head. From the companionway outside comes a sudden shriek of surprise and fear.

“Seventeen missing,” says Riku cheerfully.

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 70, Fires 0. Distance to port: 250 miles





Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/29/2007 9:32:13 PM)

Ooooh, four hexes and a bit. It's down to the proverbial wire...




princep01 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/29/2007 10:37:10 PM)

The system and flood damage levels are nearly static.  Much to my surprise, Hiryu, may make it to port.  Congrats to Cuttlefish on making this a most dramatic trek.




princep01 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/29/2007 10:39:07 PM)

Hibiki, however, is awash in...yep, snakes.  Maybe the screenplay should be Snakes on a Fighting Ship.




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/29/2007 11:27:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: princep01

Hibiki, however, is awash in...yep, snakes.  Maybe the screenplay should be Snakes on a Fighting Ship.


Tune in next time, when we will hear:

Captain Ishii: You are kidding me.

Lieutenant Miharu: No sir. I'm afraid that's the situation.

Captain Ishii: Lieutenant, get those m....

Lieutenant Miharu: Don't say it, sir. Please.

Captain Ishii: What?




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/30/2007 9:06:33 PM)

March 13, 1943

Location: 120 miles southeast of Tjilitjap
Course: Northwest
Attached to: TF 72
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 4
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 396

Orders: Escort damaged carriers to Tjilitjap for emergency repairs

---

The Great Snake Hunt is underway aboard Hibiki. Teams of men comb the ship, looking in every tiny nook and cranny. And there are a lot of nooks and crannys in a destroyer.

Captain Ishii was initially annoyed over the incident and had a few harsh words for his executive officer. After some reflection, however, he has decided to make the best of the situation. The slow pace of the voyage and the stress of long weeks of sea have taken a toll on the men, and this makes a nice diversion. He has the word passed that an extra day of leave will be granted to anyone who captures a snake. To say that this spurs enthusiasm for the hunt is an understatement.

Benzaiten herself is quickly recovered and placed ceremoniously in her new and hopefully escape-proof crate. The young ones are smaller and faster and prove to be quite a challenge. By the end of the day seven have been found, leaving ten still at large. As night falls almost every man aboard ship who has any free time continues to look for snakes, and a betting pool over when the last snake will be recovered does brisk business.

Captain Ishii is far more concerned about Hiryu than he is about errant reptiles. A report from the carrier indicates that the waters have made further inroads and that if Hiryu does not get help soon she is doomed. Fortunately Tjilitjap is now only a day away, provided the task force can make any speed at all.

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 76, Fires 0. Distance to port: 120 miles

---

A Borneo blood python:



[image]local://upfiles/23804/AE0924C4AD394DCA87C3D33152D3AD13.jpg[/image]




princep01 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/30/2007 10:10:56 PM)

Those few remaining rats on Hibiki, haven't got a chance.

Benzaiten might have been trying to swim over to the floundering, Hiryu.  The local rats have to be nearly to the flight deck in their effort to stay ahead of the rising water.  A virtual smorgasbord would have awaited the python and whatever youngsters might have made the swim. 




Capt. Harlock -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/30/2007 10:23:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish

A report from the carrier indicates that the waters have made further inroads and that if Hiryu does not get help soon she is doomed. Fortunately Tjilitjap is now only a day away, provided the task force can make any speed at all.

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 76, Fires 0. Distance to port: 120 miles



And no visits from Allied submarines. Wolffpack hasn't lived up to his name![:-]




princep01 -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/30/2007 10:50:14 PM)

If Hiryu does go down, we could change the name of the screenplay to Rats on a Raft.




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/31/2007 12:56:45 AM)

March 14, 1943

Location: Tjilitjap
Course: none
Attached to: TF 72
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 4
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 381

Orders: Escort damaged carriers to Tjilitjap for emergency repairs

---

The harbor at Tjilitjap is shallow and the port facilities, as already mentioned, are barely adequate. The access channel is narrow. It is bounded on one side by Nusa Kambagan, the notorious prison island, and on the other by the old Dutch fortress of Bendeng Pentem.

The Japanese ships make their way up this channel in the late afternoon. They arrived earlier but had to wait until high tide to try and get Hiryu to the docks. The stricken carrier is by now so low in the water that grounding her within sight of the repair facilities is a real possibility. As it is her bottom scrapes mud as she is towed into position.

Nonetheless Admiral Ozawa breathes a deep sigh of relief. If the men waiting to aid in the repairs do their work at all well Hiryu should be able to leave Tjilitjap under her own power before long and proceed to Singapore for further repairs. Hiryu’s air groups fly off the other carriers before they drop anchor and head for Singapore, where they will wait for their carrier. The men on the ships look around at the small town and base, surrounded by wooded ridges and fetid swamps, and gaze after the planes with envy.

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 80, Fires 0: In port (size 4, 1 AR and 1 fleet HQ)

---

Map of Tjilitjap (aka Tjilitajap, aka Cilacap):





[image]local://upfiles/23804/C21AFAEFAACD4F7D91DB8BAD10BB4AE0.jpg[/image]




Lecivius -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/31/2007 12:59:02 AM)

They made it! [X(]




kaleun -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/31/2007 1:27:13 AM)

SHe made it! Bravo!




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (8/31/2007 10:13:16 PM)

March 15, 1943

Location: Tjilitjap
Course: Docked
Attached to: TF 72
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 4
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 381

Orders: Await further orders

---

Tjilitjap was occupied by the Japanese in February 1942. For months afterwards it was home to only a token occupation and administrative force. As the war went on, however, and it became clear that the Allies were not going to fold their tents and leave the Pacific to Japan, Japanese planners cast a critical eye along their defensive perimeter and concluded that a surprise attack by the Allies across the Indian Ocean towards Java could have devastating results. As the likely target of such an invasion would be Tjilitjap, troops were brought in. A brigade of infantry and several base force units have occupied the town since late in previous summer.

The base is also home to a handful of G4M bombers and a few H8K flying boats. The Dutch fortifications were captured almost intact and these have been strengthened and improved. Despite this activity, however, Tjilitjap has remained a quiet backwater. Ships rarely call here, and only the arrival of occasional supply convoys from Batavia or Soerabaja break the routine.

The biggest enemy, in fact, has been malaria. Almost all of the Japanese supply of quinine comes from Java, so the drug is in plentiful supply, but despite this the disease remains the bane of Japanese troops assigned to the area.

The arrival of Ozawa’s ships creates the biggest surge in activity the base has seen since it was captured. Repair crews swarm over Hiryu, and for the first time since the attack the flooding in the carrier’s hull begins to recede. Progress is slow, however, and it is obvious that it will take some days before the carrier is ready to proceed to Singapore.

Captain Ishii has Lieutenant Miharu draw up a generous shore leave schedule for the crew. The men are delighted to have more than a few hours to spend ashore, even in such a quiet place as Tjilitjap. For those still on board, however, hunting for snakes remains a popular activity. There are four still to be found, and everyone is eager to earn some “snake leave” in anticipation of Singapore, which seems likely to be Hibiki’s next port of call.

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 73, Fires 0





vonCommander -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (9/1/2007 12:01:02 AM)

Great!! [:D]
[sm=00000436.gif]




brisd -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (9/1/2007 9:46:53 AM)

Congrats and well done to the brave crew of Hiryu! Great story as always.




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (9/2/2007 11:47:47 PM)

March 16, 1943

Location: Tjilitjap
Course: Docked
Attached to: TF 72
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 4
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 381

Orders: Await further orders

---

Junior officers on a small ship like Hibiki often wear a lot of different hats. One of Ensign Handa’s is that of mail officer. That duty is keeping him very busy today, as Hibiki’s mail has caught up with her for the first time in many weeks.

The crew knows the mail has arrived and everyone from the Captain on down is waiting. Handa and a couple of sailors are sifting through the bags as quickly as possible. Handa quickly sorts through the letters, cards, and parcels, flicking them into different piles.

Suddenly he pauses, looking at the letter currently in his hand. It is addressed to that young petty officer, Takahashi. That isn’t unusual. It is who the letter is from that catches Handa’s eye. It’s from Nanami Shun, the Chief’s daughter.

Like everyone on the ship, Handa knows there was serious trouble last year between Shun and one of the sailors over this daughter. Handa does not know the details, few do, but it is clear that Shun is extraordinarily sensitive on the subject.

Handa shrugs, then flicks the letter into a pile. It isn’t his business. He makes a mental note to himself to keep his mouth shut about it, though. There’s no point in stirring up trouble.

---

Taiki is delighted to see a letter from his brother and another from his parents. When he sees the third letter, though, he stands frozen for a moment, then sighs. He would rather be holding a poisonous viper. He had thought that his role in this business was over.

A part of him, though, knows that this is not true, not as long as he has that unopened letter from Nanami to Riku stowed in his personal possessions. Riku had given him the letter and asked him to keep it, forbidden from reading it by his oath to Shun. Now Taiki is holding another letter, and there is no oath that keeps him from reading this one.

Finally curiosity overcomes his qualms and he opens the envelope. Nanami writes with a good hand, he notes, and her characters are both elegant and strongly formed. Taiki reads the short letter and then reads it again, more slowly. Then he carefully folds it and puts it away.

It is clear he is going to have to reply. But not today. He needs to think about this, because right now he has no idea what he should say. He puts the matter out of his mind for the moment and opens the letter from his parents.

---

Hiryu watch: Sys 43, Flood 70, Fires 0





Mike Solli -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (9/3/2007 1:51:23 AM)

That's just plain mean. [:D]




Capt. Harlock -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (9/3/2007 1:57:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vonCommander

Great!! [:D]
[sm=00000436.gif]



Curses![:@] I was really hoping for an epic sub-vs-escort battle,
[sm=duel.gif]
with a Dutch submarine getting a fatal fish into the Hiryu. [sm=00000018.gif]

Oh, well, this is not the right AAR for an Allied fanboy. [:D]




Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (9/3/2007 11:25:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

That's just plain mean. [:D]


"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"[:D]




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