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Mike Solli -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 9:41:48 PM)

Don't even say that, Feinder. [:-]




Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 9:44:53 PM)

Well, the captain is obviously going to live...




Admiral DadMan -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 9:49:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, the captain is obviously going to live...

And Shiro.

My money is on Takahashi or Shun.

No wait... ARIGA!




Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 9:52:18 PM)

You know, I think Shun should probably die. Not that I dislike the character, but there should be at least one heroic death.




Capt. Harlock -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 10:33:39 PM)

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At 1120 hours his worst fears materialize. A Jap plane, probably a Val, is reported overhead. There are no Allied fighters in evidence, so the plane gets a good long look. Less than two hours later they have Jap planes on radar to the north. A lot of planes, and they are all coming straight at him.

McMasters radios a report to Noumea and then waits for the enemy to arrive. There is nothing else to do, really.


I could think of a few things! Light all boilers, load all main guns with VT-fused shells, assume AA defense formation, and set course southward at flank speed. (Always a chance some of the torpedo bombers will reach their range limit.)

Interesting that the USN should choose to sacrifice Fletcher-class DD's. Either they really need the more advanced radar, or they have Fletchers to burn. That second option is a disturbing one . . .




Admiral DadMan -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 10:44:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

quote:

At 1120 hours his worst fears materialize. A Jap plane, probably a Val, is reported overhead. There are no Allied fighters in evidence, so the plane gets a good long look. Less than two hours later they have Jap planes on radar to the north. A lot of planes, and they are all coming straight at him.

McMasters radios a report to Noumea and then waits for the enemy to arrive. There is nothing else to do, really.


I could think of a few things! Light all boilers, load all main guns with VT-fused shells, assume AA defense formation, and set course southward at flank speed. (Always a chance some of the torpedo bombers will reach their range limit.)

Interesting that the USN should choose to sacrifice Fletcher-class DD's. Either they really need the more advanced radar, or they have Fletchers to burn. That second option is a disturbing one . . .

Think RaDAR pickets off Okinawa April 1945.




Durbik -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 11:16:29 PM)

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Interesting that the USN should choose to sacrifice Fletcher-class DD's


A sophisticated decoy? Lure perhaps?




histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 11:27:34 PM)

Before we start the whos going to die on our lovely little ship. We all must realize the CVs will be the targets and the bigger ships. There are pretty good odds even in a massive defeat for the IJN that our lovely little ship wont recive so much as a scratch. 




histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 11:28:04 PM)

I think it would be interesting if the XO died, seeing how the Capt delt with it and all would be a good plot line.

Or maybe

Taki or however his name is spelled.'

or god forbid.

The snake.[:D]




histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 11:28:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: flanyboy

I think it would be interesting if the XO died, seeing how the Capt dealt with it and all would be a good plot line.

Or maybe

Taki or however his name is spelled.'

or god forbid.

The snake.[:D]





histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 11:29:52 PM)

I think it would be interesting if the XO died, seeing how the Capt dealt with it and all would be a good plot line.

Or maybe

Taki or however his name is spelled.'

or god forbid.

The snake.[:D]




Terminus -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/3/2008 11:38:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Durbik

quote:

Interesting that the USN should choose to sacrifice Fletcher-class DD's


A sophisticated decoy? Lure perhaps?


Like DadMan said, this was done in real life.




bradfordkay -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/4/2008 12:06:58 AM)

I hate to think of any of the crew dying, but I'd like even less to influence Cuttlefish in any way. He's given us such a great story so far, I can't see how any of us could presume to know better than he how it should progress...[8D]




Feinder -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/4/2008 2:37:39 AM)

I was just reminded of one of the radio stations in this area.  Each of the personalities on the radio show (4 of them) pick 10 (semi) famous people they think are going to die each year.

Yes, it's morbid.

-F-




bobogoboom -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/4/2008 8:58:20 PM)

[:-]Seriously cuttlefish your killing me i have been on pins and needles for the past week.




Capt. Harlock -> RE: Small Ship, Big War (3/4/2008 10:20:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Like DadMan said, this was done in real life.


But not until much later in the war, when the USN had the even more potent Sumner class available.

And speaking of sacrifices, we did not actually see the destruction of the four American DD's. We have the radio report, but exaggeration of results was pretty common in WWII, especially on the Japanese side.




Cuttlefish -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:00:34 AM)

November 19, 1943 - AM phase

Location: 60 miles north-northeast Island
Course: South
Attached to: TF 4
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 284

Orders: Engage enemy forces attacking the New Hebrides

---

Perhaps it could not have been done. Perhaps the possibility of victory for Japan in this war against far stronger opponents was only an illusion from the beginning. Yet on the morning of November 19, 1943 victory seemed to be within Japan’s grasp. Was it just an illusion, or could it have been achieved after all?

---

On November 18 the main Allied carrier force is north of New Caledonia. They have not been spotted by Japanese search planes out of Guadalcanal. However, thanks to the sacrifice of DesDiv 48 they now know where the Japanese carriers are.

They Allied force is ordered to move to a position just south of the Santa Cruz Islands. This will put them in position to engage the Japanese carriers whether they remain in position to the north or whether they move south to strike at the invasion fleet off Efate. For their part the Japanese do move south. The two forces come very close to colliding in the night, and if that had occurred it might have gone badly for the Allies indeed; the Japanese have powerful surface combat task forces with them, and the Allies do not.

But they miss each other, and as the sun rises the two opponents are barely 75 miles apart, with the Allies northwest of the Japanese. This is virtually point-blank range for a carrier duel. The two fleets discover each other’s presence almost immediately.

---

“Combat stations!” says Captain Ishii. “Helm, 40 degrees to port.” The task force is turning into the prevailing southeast trade wind to launch its planes. Hibiki is alive with the sound of running feet and hatches clanging shut. Canvas covers are stripped from AA guns and stowed away and extra magazines are brought up. On the bridge Captain Ishii nods in satisfaction as all stations are swift to report they are manned and ready.

“Sir, more reports coming in!” comes a voice from the radio room. “There is a second enemy carrier force, same bearing, at least four carriers in this one too.” Ishii acknowledges the report.

“That’s eight carriers,” says Lieutenant Miharu. “And there may be more.”

Ishii nods. “And they can come right at us to launch planes,” he says. “We may be attacked very soon.” He looks out at nearby Shokaku. A torpedo bomber is lumbering off the carrier, which is 500 meters to starboard. The other carriers in the task force are also launching planes, and though he can’t see them Ishii knows the other three carrier groups are doing the same thing. He picks up a pair of binoculars and trains them aft, looking for enemy planes. The sky is clear except for the Japanese strike assembling overhead.

---

There are in fact twelve Allied carriers out there, an exact match for the twelve Japanese carriers. The Allied force carries more fighters than do the Japanese, who have a strong edge in the number of bombers.

In the course of the war Kido Butai has launched many strikes, and the Japanese are by now thorough professionals in the art of launching a large, coordinated air strike. Despite having to turn away from the enemy their attack is underway first, though only by about 15 minutes. The two forces pass each other en route to their targets, and here and there the opposing planes even catch a glimpse of each other. No one breaks formation, however.

If the failure of the two forces to collide in the night is the first turning point of the battle, the second turning point is the fact that the southernmost Allied carrier group, and thus the one closest to the Japanese, is the mostly British task force commanded by Admiral Sir Denis Boyd. It is this group, with carriers Victorious, Indomitable, Formidable, and the American light carrier Cowpens, that bears the fury of the Japanese attack.

The Japanese send in over 250 bombers with a strong fighter escort. They are met by 126 Hellcat and Corsair fighters. The Japanese fighters engage them furiously but are outnumbered, and though they shoot down a number of Hellcats and damage many more they are unable to keep the fighters away from the bombers. Japanese planes go down all over the sky, trailing smoke and flame. The Allied fighters seem to be everywhere.

But there are too many Japanese planes to stop. A group of dive bombers finds Formidable first and plasters the flight deck with five bomb hits. None of the bombs penetrate the deck, and the attack seems to be a failure. But the seeds of Formidable’s destruction have already been sown; the shock of the impacts is transmitted throughout the ship. Watertight doors are sprung, hull plates are loosened, and fire-suppression lines are snapped. Torpedo bombers arrive a short while later and quickly score four hits on the carrier, three on the port side a one on the starboard.

Fires blaze up below decks and they cannot be stopped. Soon they reach the forward avgas storage tanks and a huge explosion rocks the carrier. Open to the sea in dozen places the ship begins to settle by the bow. Formidable is ordered abandoned and an hour later slips beneath the surface.

Victorious is struck by a torpedo and Indomitable by four bombs which fail to penetrate the flight deck. Cowpens takes two bombs and for a while battles a dangerous fire, but the flames are brought under control and the carrier is soon able to resume limited operations.

And then the attack is over. Of the more than 340 planes the Japanese launch only about 120 survive to return to their carriers.

---

“Sir, there is heavy anti-aircraft fire to the northeast,” calls a lookout. Ishii can see it too, a low smudge of black near the horizon. That, he knows, is the position of Okada’s Task Force 49, with carriers Kaga, Hiryu, and Soryu. Radio reports reaching Hibiki describe a brutal air battle taking place over the task force.

---

The Allied attack consists of 140 fighters, about 100 of them Hellcats, escorting over 150 bombers. These are met by 133 Japanese fighters. The veteran Japanese pilots, here free to roam the sky, deliver a shock to the American planes. A great many Hellcats are lost. The British Corsairs are a different story; while a dozen of them are shot down they take a heavy toll on the Japanese wherever they appear.

Though under heavy attack most of the Allied bombers break through the fray and press home their attacks. Kaga and Soryu take the worst of it; both are hit hard and left afire, each struck by several bombs and torpedoes. Hiryu also takes a torpedo but is still able to recover planes.

Shortly after the attack ends a smaller strike approaches from the north, consisting of 33 dive bombers and a few fighters. The Japanese fighters are largely out of position to the west and only manage to shoot down a few of the planes; the remainder put three bombs into the Hiryu, knocking that carrier out of the fight, and five more into stricken Soryu. The fires on Soryu now rage out of control and the carrier appears doomed. Kaga is in little better shape.

The Japanese are not quite done, either. They too have a small group that was separated from the main attack and arrives late to the scene of battle. These planes surprise the disorganized British carriers and put a torpedo into Indomitable.

By mid-morning both sides have recovered their battered air groups. There is a pause while planes are re-armed and both sides prepare further attacks. It is at this juncture, with the Japanese reeling but not yet defeated, that Admiral Ozawa commits the blunder that decides the battle.

Next: The PM phase and Ozawa’s blunder.




Dixie -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:09:57 AM)

[sm=00000116.gif][sm=00000116.gif]  Uh-oh, sounds like things are going to get even hotter [X(]




tabpub -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:10:27 AM)

I only pop in here from time to time, but love your narrative version. Wish I had the knack for that; I am limited to a more "operational" type AAR style.

Sounds like you had a hoot of a fight; looking forward to the conclusion. Perhaps some surface groups will split off and attempt to engage now....<popping back out to spectator mode....jostling Solli for a good seat...and spilling my daquiri...damn...>




Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:11:46 AM)

OMG,......[X(][X(][X(][:(]




Jzanes -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:14:25 AM)

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Gen.Hoepner -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:15:55 AM)

But we've seen really too few fighters on Jap side involved...are the CVTFS splitted in different hexes?? However the Hibiki's TF doesn't seem to be part of the morning fights...let's hope




Lecivius -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:16:25 AM)

I seriously wonder if any thread for a stand alone game has ever had so much attention over such a prolonged time.  Notice all the responses within minutes of this latest update!

[&o]




Mike Solli -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 1:29:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tabpub

I only pop in here from time to time, but love your narrative version. Wish I had the knack for that; I am limited to a more "operational" type AAR style.

Sounds like you had a hoot of a fight; looking forward to the conclusion. Perhaps some surface groups will split off and attempt to engage now....<popping back out to spectator mode....jostling Solli for a good seat...and spilling my daquiri...damn...>


[:D] All hope is not lost........but I am concerned about "Ozawa's blunder". [:(]




Feinder -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 2:00:06 AM)

Maybe Ozawa decided to "react to enemy TFs...?"

-F-




histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 2:05:11 AM)

Seriously it sounds like the Japanese are about to lose a massive portion of their CV fleet.[:(] I hope at least half it survives so that there will be a slim chance for delaying actions in the future and maybe a IJN resurgance? However I know I hope in vain.[:(]




histgamer -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 2:05:57 AM)

Thats so close I would think the surface forces would react doesnt anyone else?[:(]




Mike Solli -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 2:11:16 AM)

Yeah, I hope so too, but "Ozawa's blunder" sure doesn't sound like the surface forces react. [:(]




Mike Solli -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 2:12:05 AM)

Ok Cuttlefish, we've all waited long enough.  We're getting ulcers over here. [:(]




BrucePowers -> RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle (3/5/2008 2:20:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Ok Cuttlefish, we've all waited long enough.  We're getting ulcers over here. [:(]


[:D][:D][:D][:D]

I think it is called building the suspense level.

He is quite good at it. We are all on pins and needles.[8D]




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