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RyanCrierie -> Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (2/13/2007 2:19:00 AM)

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Tony Buttler’s British Secret Projects – Fighters and Bombers 1935-1950

In August 1941 Avro completed a brochure for its Type 684 Stratosphere Bomber. This all-metal airplane was designed to operate at a height that made it immune from fighter or AA interference and, with the exception of the nose portion of the fuselage, was identical to the Lancaster. The nose contained a pressure cabin, as designed for the experimental high-altitude Vickers Wellington flown in September 1940, which in conjunction with a Rotol blower, would maintain air conditions corresponding to 10,000ft when flying at an altitude of 40,000ft. To achieve this high-altitude flight the air flowing to the carburettors of the four wing-mounted Merlins would be increased in pressure by a slave Merlin 45 housed within the fuselage between and above the wing spars (the blower was placed between and above the rear spar). By regulating the rpm of the slave-blower to suit the prevailing conditions its discharge pressure could be made to correspond to 20,000ft conditions at all heights between 20,000ft and 40,000ft.

The 684 could carry either 4,000lb; 8,000lb or 12,000lb bombs, average cruise would be about 320mph and range 2,300 miles. The service ceiling at the start of the mission was 42,000ft and at the end of a flight 49,600ft. The absolute ceiling was 50,300ft, sea-level rate of climb at 60,000lb was 940ft/minute and at 38,492lb 1,910ft/min, time to 40,000ft was 57 minutes. A total of 2,130 gal of fuel was carried in the wings. The development workload needed for the standard Lancaster and its variants, and the new Avro 685 York transport which used the same mainplane, power eggs, tail and undercarriage, led to the design work on the 684 being suspended.

Dimensions: Span 103.2ft, length 72ft, WA 1,297 square feet,

Powerplant: 4 x Merlin XX, 1 x Merlin 45 (slave)

Performance: Max Speed 410mph at 42,500ft.

Armament: 12,000lb, no defensive armament carried.

The design was probably discarded because bomber command wanted shear tonnage, and a bomber carrying only 12,000 lbs of bombs and having an extra engine over the lancaster would not have been economical in delivering tonnage to German cities, despite the much better survivability rates of such a proposal.

It's really interesting to see how the Lancaster became the primary Bomber Command aircraft, despite it being much less survivable than the other types as far as crew survivability was concerned; since a single lancaster on average would drop more tonnage onto german cities before it was lost than the other bomber types.

I think the British simply had to do with the Lancaster derivatives with a new wing and a bit more powerful engines (Lincoln/Shackleton) for their post 1944-45 bomber programs, despite them only offering marginal improvement over the Lancaster in speed and altitude, and being essentially obsolete in the face of modern air defenses.

Britain at this point, IMHO simply could not afford to develop a new high altitude bomb truck which could bomb from 20,000 - 25,000 feet, e.g. a sort of british B-29 to replace the Lanc, so they had to do with a riced up Lanc.

Did I make any sense here?




Hard Sarge -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (2/13/2007 4:21:10 AM)

interesting and yes it made sense (but then most of my posts do not, so do not know if makeing sense to me is a good thing or not)

funny, see a lot of flaws in the thinking, just like in most early bomber designs, it is a ugly brute






Professor Yaffle -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (2/28/2007 1:25:12 AM)

fascinating stuff.
I can't help thinking that if it lasted when deployed, say only twice as long as a lanc but took twice the investment to produce then it still would have been worth making.
obviously the luftwaffe would come up with some means of countering it eventually, though this would have taken many months.
My vote would have been to build it....even if it is a bit ugly.




SMK-at-work -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (2/28/2007 3:55:18 AM)

I think retaining Lancaster derivatives had more to do with the idea that there was no point designing new piston engined bombers 'cos jets were obviously the way to go.  Specs for jet bombers were discussed in 1946, and the specification that eventually led to the Valiant was published in January 1947 (via a simpler spec in 1948) and that aircraft first flew in 1951, production a/c flew in 1953 - so they weren't actually farting about.




Terminus -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (2/28/2007 8:19:15 AM)

How did they plan to actually hit anything from up there?




SMK-at-work -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (3/2/2007 12:29:01 AM)

They're bombing whole cities remember!!




Terminus -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (3/2/2007 9:49:50 AM)

Still... The scatter would be astronomical...[X(]




SMK-at-work -> RE: Behold the Stratospheric Bomber! (3/9/2007 3:50:07 AM)

Nah - merely stratospheric!!




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