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JWE -> Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 5:58:18 PM)

I'm looking for the date of Pensacola's 1st refit, when the full size tripod mainmast was replaced with the short tripod mainmast. I think it was sometime late '41 or very early '42?? I have some info that she had the short main in May, '42 and certainly had it in June, '42. But did she (or Salt Lake City) have the full length main on Dec. 7??

The second refit was the May, 1944 Mare Island job where the short tripod was replaced with the house structure. I don't need that one. Thanks.

JWE




m10bob -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:00:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JWE

I'm looking for the date of Pensacola's 1st refit, when the full size tripod mainmast was replaced with the short tripod mainmast. I think it was sometime late '41 or very early '42?? I have some info that she had the short main in May, '42 and certainly had it in June, '42. But did she (or Salt Lake City) have the full length main on Dec. 7??

The second refit was the May, 1944 Mare Island job where the short tripod was replaced with the house structure. I don't need that one. Thanks.

JWE


Shown at Mare Island on May 20, 1944 after being refitted. The tall foremast has a year to remain and this was a hallmark of the class from their completion. The original tripod mainmast is replaced with a short tower and 40mm A.A. guns are mounted at the open bridge level



http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/024/04024.htm


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tsimmonds -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:05:26 PM)

According to Cruisers of WWII An International Encyclopedia:
quote:

By November 1941 the AA outfit had been increased by two quad 1.1in. Various changes were made to the rig, including fitting a main battery director on the cut-down mainmast quadruped.




m10bob -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:08:27 PM)

and this:

USS Pensacola (CA-24) At the Mare Island Navy Yard, California, 3 July 1945, at the end of her final overhaul. Circles mark recent alterations to the ship. Note her main battery of twin and triple eight-inch gun turrets. USS Indianapolis (CA-35) and the lighter YF-390 are at left. . (Tall tripod foremast is cut down, tripod mainmast is replaced by a short tower, 40mm A.A. guns have been added at the bow, #1 and #4 turret range finders are removed and the starboard catapult is removed due to weight problems. The Pensacola was the last cruiser refit during WW2)

Photograph from the Bureau of Ships Collection in the U.S. National Archives #19-N-87792


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JWE -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:11:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Shown at Mare Island on May 20, 1944 after being refitted. The tall foremast has a year to remain and this was a hallmark of the class from their completion. The original tripod mainmast is replaced with a short tower and 40mm A.A. guns are mounted at the open bridge level



http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/024/04024.htm


[image]local://upfiles/7909/526CEB373FA941F3AFD55D883BD535EC.gif[/image]


Thanks Bob, but I have the May, '44 data. What I would like is when the long tripod "Main"mast was replaced by the short mainmast. Thanks again.

JWE




m10bob -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:14:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Shown at Mare Island on May 20, 1944 after being refitted. The tall foremast has a year to remain and this was a hallmark of the class from their completion. The original tripod mainmast is replaced with a short tower and 40mm A.A. guns are mounted at the open bridge level



http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/024/04024.htm


[image]local://upfiles/7909/526CEB373FA941F3AFD55D883BD535EC.gif[/image]


Thanks Bob, but I have the May, '44 data. What I would like is when the long tripod "Main"mast was replaced by the short mainmast. Thanks again.

JWE


Did you see my 2nd post? Is this correct?




JWE -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:14:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

According to Cruisers of WWII An International Encyclopedia:
quote:

By November 1941 the AA outfit had been increased by two quad 1.1in. Various changes were made to the rig, including fitting a main battery director on the cut-down mainmast quadruped.



Ahh! So the the mainmast was cut down by Nov. '41; that's good news. Thanks irrelevant.
JWE




m10bob -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:17:21 PM)

USS "PENSACOLA" (CA 24) 1930-1948


USS Pensacola, name ship of a class of two 9.100-ton light cruisers, was built by the New York Navy Yard. Commissioned in February 1930, she made a shakedown cruise to Peru and Chile then began regular operations in the western Atlantic, Caribbean and Pacific. In July 1931, her classification was changed to heavy cruiser and her hull number became CA-24. Pensacola shifted home port from Norfolk, Virginia, to San Diego, California, in January 1935 and thereafter mainly served in the Pacific.
When the Pacific War began on 7 December 1941 with Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Pensacola was at sea escorting a convoy that was subsequently diverted to Australia. Following patrols in the vicinity of Samoa, the cruiser screened the carriers Lexington and Yorktown during their operations in the southern Pacific from February into April 1942. In the early June Battle of Midway Pensacola escorted both USS Enterprise and USS Yorktown. From August to December 1942, she operated in support of the Guadalcanal campaign, mainly serving with aircraft carriers, and was present during the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands in late October and the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal in mid-November. At the end of November, Pensacola was badly damaged by a torpedo in the Battle of Tassafaronga, with the loss of over 120 of her crewmen.

Pensacola was under repair until well into 1943, but returned to service in time to participate in the Tarawa invasion in November. In 1944 she took part in the conquest of the Marshall Islands and operated with carrier striking forces during raids in the central Pacific. From May into August, she patrolled in the north Pacific and bombarded Japanese positions in the Kurile Islands. Moving south, Pensacola shelled Wake Island in September and Marcus in early October, then joined the Third Fleet's carrier forces to participate in attacks on Formosa and in the Battle of Leyte Gulf.

During the rest of the year and into 1945, Pensacola regularly conducted bombardments in the Bonin and Volcano Islands. While off Iwo Jima on 17 February 1945, she was hit several times by Japanese coastal guns, but was soon able to resume shelling the island. She provided more gunfire support during the campaign to seize Okinawa in March and April. When the fighting ended in mid-August, she was serving in the North Pacific. Pensacola's final months of active service were spent supporting the occupation of northern Japan and transporting Pacific War veterans home as part of Operation "Magic Carpet". In 1946 the now-elderly cruiser was assigned to target duty in connection with the atomic bomb tests at Bikini Atoll. Badly damaged by the two explosions on 1 July and 25 July, she was formally decommissioned in August. More than two years later, on 10 November 1948, USS Pensacola was sunk as a target in fleet exercises off the coast of Washington State










http://www.warship.get.net.pl/StZjednoczone/Cruisers/CA_1929_Pensacola_class/_Pensacola_photos.html



Ya can't say we don't all jump in to help a friend...[;)]

BTW, look at that 1st pic I posted..It was 1944 and the ship still has the high tripod main mast.
Apparently Pensacola was last to convert since she was in repair from prior combat action,(according to both narratives?)




JWE -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:21:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Did you see my 2nd post? Is this correct?


I'm pretty sure it is. She had a few refits; I guess one before Nov. '41 (according to irrelevant) where the long tripod "mainmast" was cut down to a short tripod mainmast; one in May, '44 where the short tripod "mainmast" was replaced by the house structure; and one in mid '54 where the tripod "foremast" was replaced with a radar and director tower.

I just wanted to make sure she didn't have the long tripod main (the one at the back) in the PH period. One less image to make. Thanks for your help.

JWE




JWE -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:23:52 PM)

Ahh. I see the confusion. The mainmast is the one at the back of the ship. The one at the front is the foremast. We seem to be posting past each other. LOL.

JWE




m10bob -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:27:14 PM)

Here for looks in 1942:

Pensacola in Pearl Harbor in May 1942 before any modifications/refits. Clearly shown are old style radar on foremast and small tripod mainmast. Tripod mainmast was eventually replaced with a small tower superstructure between searchlight platform and #3 turret

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m10bob -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:31:24 PM)

Just one of my favourite classes..[:D]





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JWE -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/17/2007 6:34:37 PM)

Great! Thanks for the replies. Funny thing about naming the masts; it's convention from the days 'o sail. Front one is foremast and next one is main. A third, if fitted, would be the mizzen, even if the front one is way bigger than the rest. Anyhow, thanks again.

JWE




Admiral DadMan -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 2:34:52 AM)

Being "towed" 9 Nov 1948...

Looks to me like her anchors are run out, so... she's being towed by... a sub?


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JWE -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 2:52:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

Being "towed" 9 Nov 1948...

Looks to me like her anchors are run out, so... she's being towed by... a sub?

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Picture caption might say 'towed', but there's no evidence of a tow line in the pic. Lookin at the wave patterns, they're beating in on the starboard bow, thus the "wave cream" on her side. Looks like she is in an anchorage under 20-25 knots (horsetails begin to appear on the water surface at about 12 knots).

I'm thinkin she's anchored somewhere in a nice, fresh 18-22. She is not being towed.

Beautiful pic!! Love it!!

JWE




Admiral DadMan -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 5:05:28 AM)

Alongside USS Vestal (AR-4), undergoing repair of torpedo damage received during the Battle of Tassafaronga, off Guadalcanal on 30 November 1942.

Note the hole in her side below the mainmast, and the extensive fire damage in the area of that mast and the number three eight-inch gun turret.

Photographed at Espirito Santo, New Hebrides, on 17 December 1942.

Click Here for more pictures

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bradfordkay -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 6:35:55 AM)

I never did understand the 2-3-3-2 gun layout... It always seemed to me that 3-2-2-3 would make more sense. Does it have to do with a wet deck or seakeeping abilities?




AW1Steve -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 9:11:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

Being "towed" 9 Nov 1948...

Looks to me like her anchors are run out, so... she's being towed by... a sub?


[image]local://upfiles/5778/715CAB72522249138C8ED7F02D115503.jpg[/image]

Yeah , and I don't see a towline either. Put it does look like Puget Sound.




herwin -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 10:26:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I never did understand the 2-3-3-2 gun layout... It always seemed to me that 3-2-2-3 would make more sense. Does it have to do with a wet deck or seakeeping abilities?


Lines of the ship.




Admiral DadMan -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 3:00:45 PM)

Maybe a squid got hold of her chains and is pulling her...




Ron Saueracker -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 3:16:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Here for looks in 1942:

Pensacola in Pearl Harbor in May 1942 before any modifications/refits. Clearly shown are old style radar on foremast and small tripod mainmast. Tripod mainmast was eventually replaced with a small tower superstructure between searchlight platform and #3 turret

[image]local://upfiles/7909/30EBF34D70344455934A44D8F3C9FB1E.jpg[/image]


The tripod mainmast was actually replaced by the small "tower" during the refit instigated by the damage caused during Tassaforanga in Nov, 42. Salt Lake City kept the cutdown tripod mainmast throuughout her career.




MkXIV -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/18/2007 4:25:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

Being "towed" 9 Nov 1948...

Looks to me like her anchors are run out, so... she's being towed by... a sub?


[image]local://upfiles/5778/715CAB72522249138C8ED7F02D115503.jpg[/image]


She looks pretty good for having been hit by two nukes!




RevRick -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/19/2007 5:39:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: herwin


quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I never did understand the 2-3-3-2 gun layout... It always seemed to me that 3-2-2-3 would make more sense. Does it have to do with a wet deck or seakeeping abilities?


Lines of the ship.


And specifically the room belowdecks for magazine storage. More magazine storage farther from the ends of the ship meant more reloads for the triple turrets - hence they were in superfiring position to the two twins, which of course, had smaller magazine spaces.




Ron Saueracker -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/19/2007 11:07:14 AM)

I always thought the US "Treaty" cruisers looked cool. The Pensacola 2332 mount arrangement always interested me ever since seeing the cover of an old wargame called "CA" when I was just a wee bairn.




bradfordkay -> RE: Question re Pensacola (3/19/2007 8:13:50 PM)

I remember thinking that they had drawn them incorrectly when I first saw the counters for AH's Midway so long ago...

CA... IIRC, that was an SPI game similar to Frigate, right? I never had that one, but a friend of mine in high school did...




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