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MineSweeper -> CVL Princeton Damage (3/27/2007 7:42:01 AM)
One more report for CVL 23 USS Princeton.....one Japanese 250kg bomb hit created all kinds of issues for this ship @ 400-100lb GP bombs and 65 fragmentation clusters detonated.....what I did not know was that CLAA Reno pumped a torpedo into her and detonated the forward magazine after she was abandoned and sealed her fate... http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4885/cvl23princetonye8.jpg

huggarn -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/27/2007 12:19:57 PM)
sw33t keep 'em coming!

RevRick -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/27/2007 5:04:48 PM)
Now this is one "ballsy" Skipper.... [link=http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/022324.jpg]/link] That is an example of some really good seamanship. Also, a good idea of why over 200 men died on Birmingham when the bomgs in the torpedo storage exploded. It takes some degree of that old fashioned term "gallantry" to stand into that kind of danger. But, then again, that's also a good understanding of the term "shipmate."

tsimmonds -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/27/2007 5:19:13 PM)
Here's a link to a thread with some relevant photos.

Brady -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 5:31:10 AM)
Depends on what reprots you read, Japanese sources state that it was a 500KG bomb that hit the Prinction.

MineSweeper -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 5:42:23 AM)
I obtained the damage report from this source.....[;)] To me, this is a very solid report.....I would not in this case believe anything else but the US reports on this sinking..... What is strange is that it was a 250kg GP bomb..... http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/WarSummary.cgi These types of reports really start the head scratching.....really...no way....I guess that is true....got to look that up....he is wrong....he is right....damn, never knew that....I am wrong........[:D]

MineSweeper -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 7:58:53 AM)
The thing is...(pardon my NC accent)....that the Princeton could have been saved... all of the reports stated that the fires were out....but the tactical situation made it impossible for her to be saved, so she was torpdoed by the CLAA Reno....just one more well designed ship....

Tiornu -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 8:06:41 AM)
I don't know what Japanese sources say regarding the bomb that hit Princeton, but the Japanese certainly know what they were using better than the Americans would. Similarly, when the NC damage report says the torpedo that hit her had a 660-lb warhead, that's a guess, and a wrong one. When Marblehead was said to have been hit by a 220-lb bomb, that report was wrong too. Primary sources must be read critically as well.

MineSweeper -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 8:21:43 AM)
I guess so..... but I am a firm believer in the american docs....the japanese were wrong in alot of info....hard to pinpoint all of the facts....but NTL good conversation on this topic.... And this is the first time that I have heard that a 500kg Japanese bomb hit a US Ship.....

tocaff -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 2:11:34 PM)
If you consider the platform delivering the weapon, if that's possible, then that information could help in determining the type of ordinance used. For example some planes were designed in such a way that they couldn't carry bombs over a certain size.

Brady -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 5:57:23 PM)
The Plane that atacked the USS Prinction was a Yokosuka D4Y "Judy", which was designed to carry a 500kg weapon type in her bomb bay. American Documents from the perioud are in my experance always suspect, this is why most good books always list cross referances to substanciate the claims made from a single source. While researching a referance for the Use of 60 KG weapons types from Val's at Pearl Harbor, I found a US Document that claimed that thier was evidance that existed that they had, when in fact they had not, this confirmed by Japanese documents. The way this came to me was from a cutodian of records at the Pearl Harbor Museum, he told me that the info in many US documents, like the documents of all countrys at the time was equily suspect given the nature of the time and the haste with which many of these documents were created.

Nikademus -> RE: CVL Princeton Damage (3/28/2007 6:37:08 PM)
Brady.....tsk tsk. you KNOW that any US sourced document MUST be 100% correct at all times. [;)]

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