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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 10:36:01 AM)

JAN's not attack again. but i saw strong forces gather in paris and Kakorv. and i respond with my counter deploy. maybe he doesn't wanna attack in winter, which might be quite bad choise cause i suffered the consequence of attack North Ural, and replaced 6 milis with 3 ARTs, quite stupid bargin, eh?[:o][:o][:o][:o]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 1:14:45 PM)

JAN attacked in winter!!![X(] the report shows that although the losses were quite same, but nfortunately for Germany, it lost quite many ARTs while the allies got all damaged instead of destoryed[:@] that maybe the cornerstone[:(]
not until now do i find that JAN's the first prize winner of the tournament, maybe i find the wrong guy to do a AAR, have to do it hard and fully devoted now, i see no victory of Axis while facing experianced veteran allies players, can i make it?[:D]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 1:16:40 PM)

another battle occured in kharkov, which i gain some advantage of it. i guess i can take kharkov the next turn to compassate my breaking heart of withdrawing from eastern france[;)]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 1:19:39 PM)

since JAN's promise me that the new year 1942 would be a very bloody year. how bellicose is he?[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
so just show you guys the achievements till now[;)]
i think i am doing quite good, why still in such delemma?![&:][&:][&:][&:]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 3:37:48 PM)

very bloody thing happened! day of sorrow![:(]
we lost eastern Urals and suffered great losses[:(][:(][:(][:(]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 3:39:35 PM)

then my response is to attack eastern france, i put more than he have, but just get a fair result......[&:]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 3:44:17 PM)

but in Russia, we found the soft belly~[:D]
it suposed to be 100% safe if it was not the mili-autohit[:@] aroung 40% loss prediction didn't ensure me a joyful outcome[:o]
but sill we are there, manless areas all around, where to hunt?[:D]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 3:45:18 PM)

here's the armor, ready to go~[:D]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 9:28:36 PM)

very bad situation, WA sneak into the baltic sea and take control of baltic countries[:(] the third fronts......
but we managed to take kharkov, casualties a little bit lower than them

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 9:30:45 PM)

also Japan lanched an offensive assult in central Urals, the casualties were even.

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/3/2007 9:37:59 PM)

what's more this time, USA DOW on Axis![:@][:@][:@]

head: we'd DOW on Axis!
secretary: eh, ok. but what's the pretext?
head: what about their attacking peral harbor?
secretary: that'll be a good one if they would have done that
head: then they must have sunk our transports!
secretary: but they don't even build SUBs?
head:.................
secretary:................
head: do you still remember the long jumping thing?
secretary:...............
secretary: ok, i'll do it.

FYI, that may be how USA DOW on us[:D][:D][:D][:D]
opposite to the history, this Axis is trying his best to be friendly to USA, but JAN's not hoping it[:D], wonder when would he reach *3 of his USA factories[;)]
take the advantage of DOW, the US navy destroyed 4 transports and several ships, in return, we send several ships and two carriers into the bottom......



rjh1971 -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 12:38:57 AM)

Congrats Schury you got to play with one of the very best.
I can see you did not want Italy on your side, that's interesting I tried it once.
Nice AAR looking forward to the final result.

Rafael.



schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 7:42:15 AM)

final result is very likely to be a desisive allies victory. i don't think i made many mistakes except doen't hold paris long enough, but still in bad order[&:][:(]



kondor -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 9:40:43 AM)

There is only one wrong thing with this AAR... On the beginning you chose the wrong opponent[:-] (that is if you are trying to win/draw or lose with dignity[:D]). I remember how Jan beat my ass in tournament...[&o].
Aside from that IMO it is best to wait with the attack on Yugo. When Italy and Rumania are onboard it is much easier to lunch Barbarossa... But ofcourse is a kind of a tradeoff cause SU is a bit stronger by then...
But that is how you learn the most! Fighting with the best!
Good luck in your next endeavor´s.
Good AAR!



schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 5:19:46 PM)

keep it low......
as a matter of fact, i always believe that the Axis victory condition is demanding!!! far to difficult than allis. and it's too easy to open a second front, from this AAR, you may see they can open one whenever they want, after the civil war, even Hitler would think it twice before invade Spain, but the british did it in a season.
until now, i didn't see a decent axis victory vs hardcores like JAN,AVART,MRQ,etc[&:] i am trying to do it. hope it works



Uncle_Joe -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 7:07:24 PM)

quote:

until now, i didn't see a decent axis victory vs hardcores like JAN,AVART,MRQ,etc


The question is whether those same players can win with the Axis. If they can, then its likely not a problem with the game...

I do agree that it appears too easy for the WAllies to get back on the continent but I dont know what can really be done about it. Amphib ops were already made a lot more difficult in AWD (from WaW).



schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 7:15:07 PM)

generally there are 6 ways to get back for the allies. Portugal, Spain direction; Norway, Sweden, Finland direction if Germany take leiningrad. Turkey direction; Yog or Greece direction, Italy drection, and of course amphibian landing on france; the first two are totally out of Germany's control, espacially Protugal. that's what Jan's done[:(]



Forwarn45 -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 9:13:52 PM)

The Allies do have a few options. As for Portugal - Spain, it is possible to shut down: (1) if you get Spain as an Ally; (2) by invading these countries yourself; (3) possibly by making it infeasible with air and/or naval action; or (4) by going all-out to kick the Allies off the continent once they pursue this route. The last option is possible until the US is in, at least - although it undermines the Eastern Front. On the other hand - you would then have the factories in Spain.

I'm not sure it's too unbalanced as it is. The Allies do pay a price for invading these neutrals in diplomacy (and a small supply cost). But I've felt for a while that the Western Allies should perhaps pay a greater price by reducing their war readiness when they invade neutrals. This may cause the British to think twice (backlash in the US) - and even once the US gets involved - could affect their ability to get to favorable production modifiers. Another option would be to have Spain immediately join or increase its military if the Allies go for Portgual - at least if the US is not yet in the war.



BenTaylor -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 10:11:21 PM)

Do we think Spain should turn on an allied invasion of Portugal whatever the bias leaning? Would Franco have become belligerent or would he have thought fighting the West (Depends on maybe whether that is just Britain or also USA) was hopeless and stayed neutral or even have gone in with the Allies?

I am not a historical expert but I suspect it would depend on how Germany's war was going. Pre USA DOW I think he would have fought, after the USA DOW or as Germany loses a war with Russia he would be more likely to favour the allies. After all this is something like what really happened a bit where the Spanish recruitment of troops was allowed by Franco on the condition that they were deployed against Russia, by 1943 they were withdrawn under Allied pressure and probably as Franco saw the writing on the wall.

It is complicated because Franco was a Spanish nationalist/patriot perhaps even more than a fascist, so anybody threatening Spain could be fair game. It's all a bit complicated because I think Franco wanted the Germans to give him all kinds of things such as Gibraltar, aid etc. or according to some this was a deliberate attempt to make demands too high and thus stay out of it.

How would we model this and keep game balance, or is it well enough reflected now?



Avatar47 -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 10:36:01 PM)

Based on the above, I would either suggest A) WAllies get a -2 WReadiness penalty per neutral they invade (either pre-USA, or post), not just Vichy/Italy. B) Spain joins the Axis immediately if Portugal is invaded pre-USA. Or maybe as Forwarn said, Spain gets bonus units? 

I prefer B. Invading Portugal, early, will still distract Germany from Russia, but will not require half the Wehrmacht to be transferred over to deal with the threat. Besides, Spain as a full Axis partner is somewhat less useful than a Pro-Axis Spain in the long run (well... you gain manpower points at the expense of resources).



BenTaylor -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/4/2007 11:22:27 PM)

Interesting summary Avatar.

I have just read that at the start of the war Franco kept most of the forces in the south of Spain fearing Allied invasion, as war went on they were shuffled slowly north to fend off Germans. Kind of fits with B well.

Anyway Schury hope you keep up a good war, interesting AAR.



schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/5/2007 6:26:57 AM)

i'll try[:D] but it seems a little bitter, it is said he's never lost?![:'(]
to Forwarn45: maybe there're ways to stop or intervene the british from Portugal, let's presume that it is doable. then what kind of cost would you pay? they'd do it only if you are fully deployed in the eastern front.then you are in the delemma, you can't give Russia up right? as far as i know, if you don't hurt Russia hard, you die for sure.[:(]
as to hitting a axis leaning Spain? you are kidding me right?[:D]



Forwarn45 -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/5/2007 9:09:16 PM)

I guess my top choice would be to give (-1) war readiness for WA invasion of neutrals. Additionally, I'd have Spain join after a WA invasion of Portugal - unless the US is in the war. If the US is already in, I'd give Spain a few more troops instead.

quote:

ORIGINAL: schury
Forwarn45[/color][/link]: as to hitting a axis leaning Spain? you are kidding me right?[:D]


It's true I was just throwing it out there as a possibility, and I haven't seen anyone do it in the AWD games I have played so far. But it was a common strategy in WAW, and the benefits are still there: (1) help close off the Med. to the Brits and take Gibraltar; thereby (2) opening up the Atlantic to the Italians; and (3) securing possible landing sites.

The only difference with AWD versus WAW is there are now more detriments: (1) diplomatic penalties; (2) war readiness; and (3) Franco had a chance of joining anyway.

But honestly - I think depending on your strategy, it may not be so crazy for the Axis to just take Spain, particularly if you have Rumania locked up and in no danger of swinging neutral or toward the Allies.



schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/5/2007 9:28:05 PM)

there maybe some benefits to take spain, but those benefits make me farther away from victory[:'(]
i don't have that much time to do this and secure them is not that easy too



Petiloup -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/6/2007 5:04:31 AM)


Something we forget also is the human factor. Yugoslavia and Greece didn't react well to invasion and muster some nice partisan actions while Norway and France were quieter at the beginning.

How would the Spanish people react to an invasion considering that supplies will need to run from Southern Spain north to France? How would Vichy react to Spain being invaded? join the Allies and kick Petain out at least for Marocco, Algeria and Tunisia or accept German pressure and side with them? after all the British did strike at Vichy French fleet even being not at war.

At last what would the American people say? Roosevelt didn't have a field day going to war, there was a lot of pressure in the home front to stay out of the war. What would they do seeing the American army doesn't go to Europe to liberate but to invade?

Putting down the War Readiness of the US would be logical in case of neutral invasions by the US but maybe not by the British.

Here instead of giving one result to one action I would favor multiple possibilities of results for an action that would be choosen randomly. This will prevent to hope for one sure result and calculate everything based on this.

We could do this for: London Falls, attack by the Japanese on Russia, taking Moscow, etc etc etc

Think this would give some flavor to the game and if someone doesn't like it then make the events related to the scenario not to the game.



schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/7/2007 12:25:41 PM)

glad it's monday, JAN's back. so we'd continue.
finally i made it. it's winter1943. i am still alive[:D]
nothing much to be done, cause winter... maybe JAN would initiate another attack in this winter, his last was fabulous, let's looking forward to it.
casulties so far. the AXIS running hard to catch up with allies[:(][:(][:(][:(]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/7/2007 12:29:59 PM)

what a colorful world[;)]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/7/2007 5:12:02 PM)

very tough guy, very bloody spot!!!!!![:@]
i think what i lose there worth around 30PPs[:(]

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/7/2007 5:13:34 PM)

but Germany got archangel, which destroyed allies' resources there for a land lease[:D]
just 5 PPs, earned.

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schury -> RE: 1x1 Total War, SchuryVSJanSorensen (5/7/2007 5:15:19 PM)

since we get a combination bonus, we initiated another assult to let Russia know Japs are still there!

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