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Ron Saueracker -> Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/19/2007 11:54:30 AM)

I'll chat with you soon. I'm thinking of starting a blog from the bridge of the armoured cruiser GEORGIOS AVEROFF a few miles away at Piraeus. Being a constant pain in the arse critic...what better place than form a Greek museum warship?[8D] All bluster...no clusters...[;)]

As soon as I get sorted I'll start posting interesting military history pics. Being in the heart of the Med...anyone have any specific requests for military history tours? I'd be more that glad to oblige.

Ron S




Oliver Heindorf -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/19/2007 12:08:58 PM)

hey have fun there, greece is really nice and a fine place to be. luckily, you picked the right time, 6 weeks later and it would be 40 degrees of Celsius[X(]   I sailed in the Kykladen and its beautiful ! enjoy the greek wine mate and toast to me [;)]




Skyros -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/19/2007 2:04:10 PM)

Thermopolye would be cool to see.




treespider -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/19/2007 2:58:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Skyros

Thermopolye would be cool to see.


My thoughts exactly...




BrucePowers -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/19/2007 8:25:04 PM)

Good luck Ron!!




Mike Solli -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/19/2007 8:31:04 PM)

Had the opportunity to go to Greece back in 2004.  You'll get to walk in places you never dreamed of seeing.  Have fun.  It's wonderful.




JWE -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 12:26:57 AM)

A Jewish gentleman once said that the difference between the Parthenon and the Coliseum was that the Parthenon represented the font of human intellectual achievement; the Coliseum is where they fed you Christians to lions for entertainment.

I know it ain't a good thing on the passport, but if you can get over to the Turkish coast and see the wonders of ancient Ionian Greece, you will be impressed (oh gosh, if you can get to Lesbos, Miletus, and Rhodes). After Athens, Sparta, Thebes and Corinth, go to Crete (Knossos), Mycenae (close to Tyrins/Argos), and (if the Turks allow) the digs at Troy.

I envy you. All my best.

JWE




wworld7 -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 1:35:39 AM)

Good luck Ron, and may Greece treat you well.





Nomad -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 2:18:22 AM)

Have a good trip Ron.




Big B -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 2:28:41 AM)

Ron, you lucky guy!

Let me also wish you best of luck, and assure you - Oh, how I wish I were going with you!

Greece, the cradle of Western Civilization, has so much to offer. As others have said - Thermopolye, Athens, Sparta, Platea!
(Not to mention Greek wines!)

Make sure you have your copies of Homer, Xenophon, Thucydides, Aeschylus,and Herodotus packed up!

Best of luck old man,
Brian




Nomad -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 2:31:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Big B

Ron, you lucky guy!

Let me also wish you best of luck, and assure you - Oh, how I wish I were going with you!

Greece, the cradle of Western Civilization, has so much to offer. As others have said - Thermopolye, Athens, Sparta, Platea!
(Not to mention Greek wines!)

Make sure you have your copies of Homer, Xenophon, Thucydides, Aeschylus,and Herodtus packed up!

Best of luck old man,
Brian


I just hope Ron's heart can take the Greek women. [X(][&o] [:D]




Big B -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 2:34:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad


quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ron, you lucky guy!

Let me also wish you best of luck, and assure you - Oh, how I wish I were going with you!

Greece, the cradle of Western Civilization, has so much to offer. As others have said - Thermopolye, Athens, Sparta, Platea!
(Not to mention Greek wines!)

Make sure you have your copies of Homer, Xenophon, Thucydides, Aeschylus,and Herodotus packed up!

Best of luck old man,
Brian


I just hope Ron's heart can take the Greek women. [X(][&o]

LOL - Well...Let's hope Ron's constitution is good! [:D][:D][:D]




Big B -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 2:58:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
.... Being in the heart of the Med...anyone have any specific requests for military history tours? I'd be more that glad to oblige.

Ron S


Ron, since you offered, if you ever get the chance - I would love to see some "Battlefield Today" photos of Thermopolye... the pass the Persians took over the mountains (guarded by the Phocians as I recall), the "Last Stand" position on the hillock the Spartans took after Leonidas's death, the Hot Gates, as well as the Platea Battlefield, and the Battlefield at Marathon in SW Attica.
I know time has moved the shorelines out since ancient times, but it would be fascinating to see today.


Also, if you ever get over to NE Turkey, it would be cool to see what the archiologists have uncovered at Troy. (and I want you to bring me back an "1150 BC Achilles Victory Tour" T-Shirt from Troy!...LOL Hey, in exchange I'll let you borrow my Panhead to go out to biker bars and pick up chicks if you come out to So.Cal.[:D])

All the best,
Brian




Big B -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 3:24:02 AM)

Love your new sig Nomad! [:D]




Nomad -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 3:53:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Big B

Love your new sig Nomad! [:D]



Thanks Big B, after the last year, it is very fitting.




bradfordkay -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 6:10:16 AM)

" I just hope Ron's heart can take the Greek women."

Let's hope his ... doesn't have to take the Greek men! [X(]




captskillet -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/20/2007 1:44:49 PM)

You got to make Thermopylae..............have fun and be safe!!!!




ADM Halsey -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (5/23/2007 9:58:17 PM)

Hey Ron,

Just wanted to wish you luck and hope you enjoy the new location.

Malta, Tobruk, or the Rock of Gibralter

Take care of yourself.

Later
Bill




Ron Saueracker -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 6:31:44 PM)

Well, bought a laptop and a digital camera. Now I can actually do what I promised and post some pics when I return to Greece next month. I'll be in Crete most of the time on business...lots of militarily significant spots there.




AW1Steve -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 6:59:29 PM)

[:D] Enjoy! [:D]




wild_Willie2 -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 7:07:53 PM)

About Thermopylae, I don't wat to be a spoilsport but NOBODY knows where that battle actually took place.  After literally centuries of digging for the battlesite (there must be a HEK of a load of bronze arrowheads in the ground there) it still has not been found.

Most historians think that the site has been swallowed by the sea in the last 3000 years (and the site was litterally next to the sea, as the story goes), the sea level has risen quite a lot since that time.




Dino -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 7:53:49 PM)

A rhino skeleton should be a dead giveaway...





Mynok -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 8:08:57 PM)

[:D] [:D] [:D]




wild_Willie2 -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 10:40:21 PM)

"We spartans fight next to each other in a phalanx formation" Next scene, all the spandexed spartans individually run into 10 gazillion ninja teenage mutant mutants.   (btw, didn't greek hoplites wear chestplates and used the lance as their primary weapon?)




Mynok -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 11:04:30 PM)


No chestplates I don't believe. They used a 12' thrusting spear.




Elladan -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/17/2008 11:58:25 PM)

I'm afraid you can be a little disappointed with Thermopylae. The shoreline has moved and it's no more a narrow passage it was some 2500 years ago. A nice landscape and a monument of Leonidas, that's all. 




rtrapasso -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/18/2008 12:11:47 AM)

That depends who you ask, i suppose. According to West Point Military History Series : Ancient and Medieval Warfare (p3) during this period, the hoplites wore a cuirass covering the chest and back with overlapping metal and leather plates, and a conical pilos helmet. Leg armor was rarely used.

They carried a 30" round shield called an aspis. The offensive weapon throughout this period were the sword and spear - spear 7-8 feet in length with heavy iron point and butt. Sword was a short thrusting weapon, iron, less than 1 meter long. All together it was about 50 pounds of arms and armor.




TheElf -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/18/2008 12:15:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

Ron, you lucky guy!

Let me also wish you best of luck, and assure you - Oh, how I wish I were going with you!

Greece, the cradle of Western Civilization, has so much to offer. As others have said - Thermopolye, Athens, Sparta, Platea!
(Not to mention Greek wines!)

Make sure you have your copies of Homer, Xenophon, Thucydides, Aeschylus,and Herodtus packed up!

Best of luck old man,
Brian


I just hope Ron's heart can take the Greek women. [X(][&o] [:D]

But if you had to go....




Feinder -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/18/2008 12:20:17 AM)

There's a pretty major Greek settlement near us in town called Tarpon Springs.  It makes for a nice day-trip - it's on the water and there are a few pubs where it's nice to people-watch.  But once I ordered the house special at this little cafe, I was astounded to find that it was actually possible to somehow put every Carb into one dish...

A pastry stuffed with spinach and goat-cheese.
Lamb meat-balls served over a noodles (was like stroganoff) with mound of potato salad in the middle.
All served on a bed of rice covering a large piece of flat-bread (sort of like a flat bread-bowl).

No kidding.

You say "South Beach" in that town and their skin begins to shrivel and their eye-balls melt.

-F-




Mynok -> RE: Off to GREECE on Thursday... (1/18/2008 12:33:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

That depends who you ask, i suppose. According to West Point Military History Series : Ancient and Medieval Warfare (p3) during this period, the hoplites wore a cuirass covering the chest and back with overlapping metal and leather plates, and a conical pilos helmet. Leg armor was rarely used.

They carried a 30" round shield called an aspis. The offensive weapon throughout this period were the sword and spear - spear 7-8 feet in length with heavy iron point and butt. Sword was a short thrusting weapon, iron, less than 1 meter long. All together it was about 50 pounds of arms and armor.


Since each man provided his own gear, it is highly unlikely that any except the wealthiest wore scale breast/backplates. Hoplon, spear and a helmet only was by far the most common equipage.

Padded or leather armor was more likely to be worn on the body.




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