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panda124c -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 8:11:34 PM)



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EDIT - maybe best to think of it as a short-range air-launched cruise missile.
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With a biological computer system. [:-]




rtrapasso -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 8:14:37 PM)

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rtrapasso -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 8:15:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


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ORIGINAL: pbear



EDIT - maybe best to think of it as a short-range air-launched cruise missile.


With a biological computer system. [:-]




But NOT in this game - that's the point - no pilots are used UP.

EDIT - forum software mucking up again...[8|]




Feinder -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 8:24:19 PM)

Okah
Effect = 2646
Penetration = 1300
Accuracy = 50

With a penetration value of 1300, it's going to penetrate any armor in game (belt or deck of even the largest BBs).



18" Type 91 Torp
Effect = 529
Penetration = 529
Accuracy = 43

I'd still have to go with the torps as an all around better weapon in WitP. Given the fact that float damage is the name of the game, torps are what deliver that most efficiently. The Oka is essentially a big bomb that doesn't subject you to flak.




rtrapasso -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 8:34:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Feinder

Okah
Effect = 2646
Penetration = 1300
Accuracy = 50

With a penetration value of 1300, it's going to penetrate any armor in game (belt or deck of even the largest BBs).



18" Type 91 Torp
Effect = 529
Penetration = 529
Accuracy = 43

I'd still have to go with the torps as an all around better weapon in WitP. Given the fact that float damage is the name of the game, torps are what deliver that most efficiently. The Oka is essentially a big bomb that doesn't subject you to flak.


That last part is important, no?? No flak losses - you MIGHT actually be able to fly those Betty's with their 80 EXP pilots more than once... [:'(]




Nikademus -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 9:24:17 PM)

depends on where the Okha strikes. A belt armor HL penetration causes more FLT vs. a deck armor HL strike. Thats what makes torps deadly. They only strike Belt armor (and penetrate every time)




Feinder -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 9:26:34 PM)

Here's a question:

What to the Oka totin' Bettys use, if you've run out of Okas?  Do they drop bombs?  Do they only attack if you have at least 16 in the pool, to load out the entire squadron?

Inquiring minds...

-F-




rtrapasso -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 9:29:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Feinder

Here's a question:

What to the Oka totin' Bettys use, if you've run out of Okas?  Do they drop bombs?  Do they only attack if you have at least 16 in the pool, to load out the entire squadron?

Inquiring minds...

-F-



not sure what happens in current patch, but i *think* i've remember hearing complaints the the special Bettys are useless (when Okhas are gone)... but this was a while back...




Nikademus -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 9:31:49 PM)

probably one for Joe to answer. At a guess i think they'd work similar to a torpedo armed LB. The default loadout is the torp but it has a hard coded alt loadout of 2 x 250kg normal, 1 x 250kg extended.

or......if there's an extra line of code or two, they might not fly at all if there's no Okha's available.




PzB74 -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 10:10:06 PM)

If you got 5 Ohka's in the pools only 5 G4M2es will fly even though you have 50 standing by.
The rest will not use any other weapon.....

Too many minuses at present - if secondary load was bombs or torps if there were no Ohkas available, and if
more Ohka's were produced - we might be getting somewhere.

It's a big hickup that Ohka's are dependend on the exp of the Betty pilots as well. Takes maany months to train them
into their 80's. Have to use them for supply runs. One raid against the Uber CAP and you will be back were you started.




dtravel -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/19/2007 10:17:28 PM)

Well, I've only had one Okha attack since I started this and that was by a lone Betty that got shot down.  I still intend to post a save game when I get an Okha attack where the weapons are released.  If Joe can run that turn (once I have it) and compare what happens on his computer against my results we may learn something.




PzB74 -> RE: Okha bombing problem? (6/20/2007 12:29:28 AM)

I launched more than 40 Ohka's; could find 13 of the misses in the AAR with comments.
The rest were probably just bypassed in silence [:'(]

Here you can see the dismal service record; even crippled enemy ships could not be hit!
After the last attack 19th of January 1945 I gave up. Now, 4 months later I have 23 or 24 and not 36
Ohka's in the pools as a 9 ac pr month production run should have given me.

1. Never more than 2-3 Ohka's launched at any time because of lack of Ohka's in the pools.
2. The Ohka's that were launched NEVER hit anything.

A torpedo isn't dependent on having a 80 exp pilot to guide it to its target.
Is it possible that this is what it takes to score hits?

Next time I try my Ohka's that's what I'll try. In the meantime Joe can try to launch
Ohka's in ones and twos from Betty's with an average exp between 60 and 70.

Now I remember clearly all the frustrating misses!

12-12-44

Enter the Ohka!

The first 24 Ohka armed Betties arrived today. Morale and exp is bad, will take 2-3 months
to get the unit ready for action. Producing some 46 units pr month. Hope its worth it...

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Tried an early use of Ohkas: Only 2 out of 16 Bettys launched because there were only 2 Ohka's available!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/26/44

The 'lost' TF is shredded! Today saw the first operational mission of the G4M2e 'Ohka' bombers.
I moved 16 Bettys to Iwo and 2 of them sortied...scoring no hits on the derelict target. Average exp
was now 64.

Day Air attack on TF at 60,58

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 17
B7A Grace x 28
G4M2 Betty x 15
G4M2e Betty x 2
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4
Ki-49 Helen x 18
Ki-67 Peggy x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 7 damaged
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Mannert Abele, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mansfield, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Samuel Moore, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
DD Moale, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Lowry, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing
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11-01-45

Day Air attack on TF, near Bonin at 65,52

Japanese aircraft
G4M2e Betty x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Brown, on fire

Aircraft Attacking: <- Ohka bombers..can't hit anything§
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing
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13-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 66,55

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9
G4M2e Betty x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 9 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Cushing, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing <- ANOTHER miss
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14-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 66,54

Japanese aircraft
G4M2e Betty x 1

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2e Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
BB New Jersey

Aircraft Attacking: <- Ohka's never hit anything....this would have been the perfect opportunity!

1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing
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14-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 68,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 4
G4M2e Betty x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing
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16-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 66,55

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
G4M2e Betty x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Frank B. Linderman, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LST LST-609

Allied ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing <- another miss
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16-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 66,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2e Betty x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DMS Gherardi, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing <- miss
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18-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 68,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9
G4M2e Betty x 2
P1Y Frances x 7
Ki-67 Peggy x 7

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 1 damaged
Ki-67 Peggy: 7 destroyed

Allied Ships
LST LST-338
LST LST-882

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing <- Miss, miss and more misses. These Baka bombs just doesn't work.....
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19-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 70,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
G4M2e Betty x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
DMS Ellyson, heavy damage
DE George E. Davis, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing – miss, miss and more misses!
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19-01-45

Day Air attack on TF at 70,56

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 10
G4M2e Betty x 1
P1Y Frances x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged
P1Y Frances: 17 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Norman J. Colman
AK M. H. De Young
LST LST-886
LST LST-456
DMS Forrest
LSD Gunston Hall
LST LST-736
AK Leslie M. Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2e Betty ohka bombing <- miss again: now 40 misses out of 40 possible! Grand.
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