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borner -> RE: Homework (8/7/2007 6:44:15 AM)

I was talking about in the game, not historically. Moscow is hard enough to get to when you just have to worry about one chian of depots, let alone 3 or 4.

Historically it would be like getting your army into Moscow in the dead of winter, having that depot line cut, and having to march your way out while being out of supply. Not fun.




spinder -> RE: Homework (8/7/2007 11:04:33 AM)

I dont think the wintermovment rule, will do anything for russia! In clear weather the russians have 3/4 the speed of the french. In winther only ½! In other words will winteroffensive be an advantage for the french. Because of the standstill of the russians
I think an -1 movemodifier for infcorps, and -2 for cavcorps in winter, will do the job.

Byt lets see the game and let the changes be made after that. 4 years for my accout is a long time[:(]



Monadman -> RE: Homework (8/10/2007 2:30:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Monadman


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ORIGINAL: Frank McNally

I am only playing my first full game of this currently, but isn't a bid cap of 20 quite low?  I thought bids in the 30s were not too crazy for France.


Frank,

Too low, too high, it should be unlimited or factors should be the cost instead, etc., etc.

The game plays the same with a 20 VP cap and you will no longer hear the excuse from the French or British player that they don’t have a chance to win due to their high bid cost, so they are quitting now that they are getting beaten badly. They will find other excuses, but not that one.

Richard



FYI, the bid cap was recently raised to 30 VPs.

Now . . .

Is there anyone (or more) who wants to give reason why this cap should be removed (i.e. making it possible to bid astronomically)? Likewise, is there anyone (or more) that prefers the cap (what’s your preference)?

Richard



yammahoper -> RE: Homework (8/10/2007 11:33:52 PM)

I like the cap.  I like the cap even lower, but 30 is fine.  I like the cap because it creates a measurable quanity in bidding, one everyone will understand.  You bid high for what you want, and low for what you are willing to get stuck with.  It also stops cold those morons who care nothing about playing to score VP but just want the nation they want, everything else be damned.  I once saw a bid or 400 points for Fr.  It was a disgusting display of disregard for the spirit and rules of the game.  The limit creates fairness.  If two people really want the same nation, then a tieing bid of 30 can be resolved by fair and equal die rolls.

I also like the ability to not bid if everyone is in agreement on who they want to play.

yamma



YohanTM2 -> RE: Homework (8/11/2007 3:59:49 AM)


Lower is better. Too many yahoos will bid whatever to play France or GB and then bail when they realize they can't win but had fun for the first couple of years.



j-s -> RE: Homework (8/12/2007 8:31:36 PM)

There is no need to limit bids, but that limit (30) is not a big problem. In original game, there was not bid limits.

If someone will bid 100 from France, he will not win. I would be glad to play another country and let him bid that foolish bid [:'(]




hlj -> RE: Homework (8/12/2007 11:52:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: j-s

There is no need to limit bids, but that limit (30) is not a big problem. In original game, there was not bid limits.

If someone will bid 100 from France, he will not win. I would be glad to play another country and let him bid that foolish bid [:'(]




Yes you are right if someone bid 100 for France he would not win. Neither would you cause in 1808 when he gets bored of playing with no chance of winning he will quit the game and you will never find anyone who would continue a country that is effectively out of the game.

And what fun will it be to start a game that will never finish? I would leave a game as soon as anyone made a bid over 40 for France.
So a cap of 30 suits me fine. ^_^



YohanTM2 -> RE: Homework (8/13/2007 4:58:58 AM)

You are indeed correct hlj



j-s -> RE: Homework (8/15/2007 10:02:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hlj


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ORIGINAL: j-s

There is no need to limit bids, but that limit (30) is not a big problem. In original game, there was not bid limits.

If someone will bid 100 from France, he will not win. I would be glad to play another country and let him bid that foolish bid [:'(]




Yes you are right if someone bid 100 for France he would not win. Neither would you cause in 1808 when he gets bored of playing with no chance of winning he will quit the game and you will never find anyone who would continue a country that is effectively out of the game.

And what fun will it be to start a game that will never finish? I would leave a game as soon as anyone made a bid over 40 for France.
So a cap of 30 suits me fine. ^_^


If someone bid 100 for France, I think he cares nothing about victory points. He will quit, if game is not going as he hopes (wins, wins, wins). Some players just don't care about victory points, really. It's important that every player are going to play for victory and thats made clear before game is started.



IrishGuards -> RE: Homework (8/15/2007 11:00:55 PM)

I bid progressive agressive bidding for Le Grande Armee ..
IDG



Murat -> RE: Homework (8/16/2007 8:55:09 AM)

We always stuck with the VPs assigned by the game as balancing. Everyone just selected their 1st choice....7th and then we resolved in the order listed in the rules with all high choices doing the unmodified roll.  Britain France and Russia were rolled but the rest rarely were since people seemed to vary in what they felt the best of the other 4 were (Go SPAIN!).



Mark Breed -> RE: Homework (8/17/2007 7:59:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Murat

We always stuck with the VPs assigned by the game as balancing. Everyone just selected their 1st choice....7th and then we resolved in the order listed in the rules with all high choices doing the unmodified roll.  Britain France and Russia were rolled but the rest rarely were since people seemed to vary in what they felt the best of the other 4 were (Go SPAIN!).


We did the same. Rarely did anyone complain.

For my last game, with a different group, we drew numbers (1-7) and that was the order that the player announce which country he wanted to play. I drew a six and got FRANCE as no one ahead of me wanted to play it!!!! Unfortunately, four of the players were new to the game and did not get into it. So, it ended up lasting only two game years; but were those fun for me.

Regards,
Mark



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