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grog45 -> How Does Endurance Work???? (7/25/2007 12:59:26 AM)

I just got done playing my first real game and am wondering how does ENDURANCE
for a pitcher work???? The computer controlled team put in a pitcher that had an
ENDURANCE of 1 and had him pitch 4 innings. He didn't do that bad either. I think
if a pitcher has that low of an ENDURANCE he shouldn't be able to pitch that long.
Granted it says he's VERY WORN OUT but since the computer left him in for so long
he's not going to be available for the next few games. He left a second pitcher
in for while as well and he is also VERY WORN OUT.



motnahp -> RE: How Does Endurance Work???? (7/26/2007 9:26:59 PM)

Some changes over the past 2-3 months have made me question the same thing about END ratings. I believe Shaun is still working on the problem.



target762 -> RE: How Does Endurance Work???? (7/26/2007 11:58:48 PM)

I have noticed that when the Pitch count gets near the END rating I start getting more walks and hits. This is not always true, sometimes I'll have a Pitch count double the End rating of my pitcher and he is still going strong.



Frozen Stiffer -> RE: How Does Endurance Work???? (7/27/2007 1:40:07 AM)

Assuming the pitcher is doing reasonably well, I do not implement serious "hook" considerations until the pitcher has reached 100 pitches. It's not an automatic pull, but that's when I really start to watch the pitch count. Again, this is assuming that they (1) have been performing reasonably well and (2) that they didn't reach the 100-pitch count in the bottom of the 4th!  I've allowed a pitcher to go up to 137 pitches on one outing, but frankly, he was in complete control and ended up pitching a no-hitter. There was no way I was pulling him.

To explain how I view endurance, I take the "tens" portion of their endurance and rough-estimate that they will last that many innings; a 75-endurance pitcher will complete 7 innings, a 24-endurance will last a couple. Again, this is all case-by-case dependant; if a 14-endurance reliever gets through an inning on 5 pitches, I'll allow him to pitch another inning (depending on the case).

Just my 2 cents.



Frozen Stiffer -> RE: How Does Endurance Work???? (7/27/2007 4:49:37 PM)

As further proof that there is no exact model or perfect method to determining duration based on endurance (and yet further proof that there are too many variables involved to establish a set, specific formula), I just finished managing a game where my starting pitcher (END 70) pitched a complete game, needing only 86 pitches to do so. He went into the 7th inning with only 57 pitches, so I figured he was still going strong. He ended up going all 9, allowing 1 run on 3 hits, walking 1, striking out 7.

With an endurance of 70, you'd expect a shorter outing, but... his pitch count stayed low, so he stayed in.

[:)]



Frozen Stiffer -> RE: How Does Endurance Work???? (7/27/2007 4:55:50 PM)

Okay, last post and then I'm letting the subject rest.

Next game. My starting pitcher has END 74. Going into the bottom of the 7th, he's already at 107 pitches. I'm going to watch his count and his success against each batter, but I do not expect him to pitch the 8th.

(edit) He got through the inning on 6 pitches. He's still not likely to pitch the 8th.



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