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wdolson -> RE: WITP and me (8/9/2007 1:21:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Grotius

I shouldn't have read this thread, because now I want to try making a model! I suppose a plane would be easier to start with than a ship? Might be fun to try a Zero or a Wildcat. Anyone have suggestions on where to start?

By the way, the only models I've ever made were, indeed, of the Starship Enterprise. I still have one sitting near me here. :)


1/48 scale is the most common these days. They are large neough to have some decent detail, but small enough not to take up a lot of space. Hasegawa makes the best 1/48 scale Zeros on the market. They recently released a collector's set with a kit of every version of the Zero ever built, including the prototype. Tamiya has an absolutely gorgeous Wildcat in 1/48 scale, as well as most of the WW II marks of the Corsair, which are also fantastic kits. Hasegawa and Tamiya are both a bit more expensive but fewer headaches than most other brands.

An American company called Accurate Miniatures has kits of many US Navy aircraft in 1/48 (though not the Wildcat). AM makes some of the best kits in the world. They have F3Fs, the complete SBD line except the -6, a series of Vindicators, as well as most of the WW II versions of the TBF/TBM. Among their other kits is a B-25 kit has a full interior including a toilet and a copy of Life Magazine.

If you want to get into larger scales, both the Zero and Wildcat exist in 1/32 scale and the Zero has been rendered in 1/24 by a Chinese company called Trumpeter (A6M2 and Rufe) and also by Bandai (A6M5). The Bandai kit is hard to find these days, but it's an older kit. The Trumpeter kit has only been out a few years. It has nice detail, but they got the shape of the nose wrong.

In 1/32 scale, Trumpeter has a Wildcat (also released in North America by Hobby Craft out of Canada) and there is also an old Revell kit. The Trumpeter kit is generally well designed and has very good detail. Just about every Japanese company has come out with a 1/32 Zero. There is an old kit originally released by Tomy of the A6M2, that has been re-released by Swallow and Dyushua. It has nice external detail, but a horrible cockpit and no engine detail. 20th Century Toy, which releases mostly kid's toys has a 1/32 Zero kit which isn't bad. It usually runs for under $10 at Walmart, which is a steal these days.

Hasegawa has a good 1/32 A6M5, but Tamiya takes the prize with an A6M2 and an A6M5. The Tamiya kits retail for around $100, but they are pretty close to the most detailed 1/32 scale kits ever made. Tamiya had a chance to take apart and examine a real Zero. They reproduced everything from the back of the pilot's seat to the prop in exact detail as well as the wing armament and oleo landing gear struts that really work.

Bill




Andrew Brown -> RE: WITP and me (8/9/2007 1:42:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Feinder

One of the fun things about being an adult (with a reasonably paying job), is that we can often afford to indulge in those "childhood fantasies" of getting the entire WW2 model collection with the "wouldn't it be awesome" paint to go with it.


Funny you should say that. I would have to put myself in this category. As a kid I made loads of models - aircraft, ships, tanks, the works. All were eventually lost or destroyed. Fast forward many years, and I can now afford to buy some of the very nice 1/350 WW2 ships. A few years ago, after not having built any kits since I left school, I bought and built a 1/350 model of HMS Prince of Wales, and had a grand old time. It now gets pride of place on our living room bookshelf. One of these days I will build a few more (......one of these days......).




Terminus -> RE: WITP and me (8/9/2007 1:44:29 PM)

Yeah, "one of those days"... I also built tons of models back in school (was probably too young and impatient for it)... Tried to get back into it a few years back, and found that my manual dexterity (not great back then) has gone the way of the Dodo. Too much typing...[:D]




Feinder -> RE: WITP and me (8/9/2007 3:03:32 PM)

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The Tamiya kits retail for around $100, but they are pretty close to the most detailed 1/32 scale kits ever made.


Wdolson gives a great analysis. But just to clarify, it's the 1/32 kit that will run you around $100. Most 1:48 kits from Hasegawa and Tamiya are $18 - $26.

Revell-Monogram-Airfix usually run you $14 - $22 (a little cheaper), but you get a better kit for the money with Hasegawa and Tamiya. Frankly, I don't by -that- many kits anyway, so I'd spend a little more to get a better kit (the price difference is a trip to Taco Bell, so no biggie). Besides, if you're "just getting back into the hobby", you're going to end up spending $100 on paints anyway. [;)]

Funny, I've got the set-up for acrylics, and have used them, and I realize that the best modelers use acrylics, but I still just love the enamels.

-F-




Apollo11 -> RE: WITP and me (8/9/2007 4:23:52 PM)

Hi all,

I think that 1:48 is more than enough for size and detail (heck I have B-29 in 1:48 and it is _HUGE_ [:D])... the 1:32 is IMHO too big...


Leo "Apollo11"




MineSweeper -> RE: WITP and me (8/9/2007 5:23:27 PM)

If you want to get real serious, check out these models.....expensive and very time consuming....but what detail[:)]

http://steelnavy.com/index.htm





AU Tiger_MatrixForum -> RE: WITP and me (8/10/2007 5:17:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

" I have a 1:1 1858 Model .577 British Enfield Rifled Musket. It is loads of fun, until I wake up with a very sore shoulder."

Hey, AU, are you a member of the NSSA, or a re-enactor?


No, I am not a member of the NSSA, but their website is intriguing. [:'(]
http://www.nssa.us/

I used to do some re-enacting, thus the musket, but am currently inactive due to time constraints, but I intend to return to the fold within a few months.





bradfordkay -> RE: WITP and me (8/10/2007 9:30:27 AM)

Cute... try www.n-ssa.org

I used to be a member of the NSSA (1st Regt Engrs, PACS), but had to quit when I went to college (the team was in Virginia - too far from Athens for a poor college kid). I sold my '63 Remington when I graduated college - needed the bucks to pay rent while looking for work. It didn't matter as much because moths had infested my dad's place where my uniform was stored.



During high school I also worked for the Park Service in summer (Richmond Battlefield and Kennessaw Mtn Battlefield). I miss those days... it was a lot of fun.




Canoerebel -> RE: WITP and me (8/10/2007 11:27:13 PM)

I got my first model in the late '60s when my parents left me with an elderly aunt in Georgia while they went on vacation.  It was the USS Atlanta (CL) and I was smitten.  I made many models.  Some of the ships ended up in a big pail of water, decorated with a line of modeling glue.  When you applied a match to the wet glue, thick streams of dark smoke billowed out.  Quite a sight.

Regarding reenacting, I know a man a few miles up the road who is now in his late 70s.  Both his grandfathers were Confederate soldiers and a great-grandfather was killed in action at South Mountain, Md.  He has part of the uniform and equipment of one of his grandfathers - jacket and haversack.  Finding folks with amazingly close ties to the Confederacy is still pretty common here in the South.




ChezDaJez -> RE: WITP and me (8/10/2007 11:37:09 PM)

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When I was a youth, I built my plane and ship models with firecrackers inside them. Once I got tired of looking at the display, outside to the sandbox we went. I'd pour a little extra testor's glue on them, soak some paper airplanes in kerosene, light them amd have them crash kamikaze style into the model being sacrificed... It was a very satisfying method of culling the collection...



Sicko!!! The destructive inclinations from our youth have been passed down through genetics. And we wonder why our children are the way they are!

Personally, I used a BB gun and Dad's .22 cal at the pond behind our house. Those armor piercing .22s sure took care of that Iowa armor!!!

Chez




Rainer -> RE: WITP and me (8/11/2007 1:33:42 AM)

Siku, a German company is probably what you mean ...




Halsey -> RE: WITP and me (8/11/2007 1:39:31 AM)

No, he means sicko, as in perverted.[;)][:D]




Rainer -> RE: WITP and me (8/11/2007 1:54:34 AM)

O Sick [8|]




Halsey -> RE: WITP and me (8/11/2007 2:37:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rainer

O Sick [8|]


Slang terminology...




Charles2222 -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 2:51:18 AM)

Aye, we had a Fred Flintstone method at our disposal, mostly due to circumstances beyond our youthful control.

The city had banned bb-gun firing within the city limits, so that was out. Not too surprisingly there was also ban on fireworks, even on the 4th of July, but somehow the parental units didn't mind that. So that pretty much limited us to stone throwing. This gets worse, as we didn't have enough skill, or money, to buy great models just to wreck them. Instead we went the plastic army soldiers routine as the recipients of our arm launched weapons.

Oh yes, one weapon system I personally discovered in my latter childhood, after the true thrill of rock throwing at army men had worn off, and that was the discovery of napalm! Yes, you could get a prisoner army man and set him on fire. The trick was to hold this prisoner, who refused to talk, as your napalm terror on the unwilling ant population below. Yes, the plastic melts and falls off the soldier, whilst making a whoosing sound on it's way down. Definitely the coolest backyard weapon I had ever managed given the Flintstonian limitations.




bradfordkay -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 8:23:39 AM)

"Instead we went the plastic army soldiers routine as the recipients of our arm launched weapons. "

A low tech version of HG Wells' Little Wars. I used to use a miniature superball for my indoor toy soldier wars.




sprior -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 9:00:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"Instead we went the plastic army soldiers routine as the recipients of our arm launched weapons. "

A low tech version of HG Wells' Little Wars. I used to use a miniature superball for my indoor toy soldier wars.


I used lego bricks.




Apollo11 -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 9:36:51 AM)

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: sprior

I used lego bricks.


I still have thousands and thousands LEGO bricks stored... never wanted to give them away! [:D]

BTW, I also have several thousands large 1:48 plastic soldiers WWII army (Germans, Japanese, British, USA, Russians)!

When I created battles with those plastic soldires I used LEGO bricks as "ammo" (nothing breaks and you can even have cool fragmentation ammo)!

Ahh... those were the days... [:D]


Leo "Apollo11"




witpqs -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 11:15:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

I still have thousands and thousands LEGO bricks stored... never wanted to give them away! [:D]

Leo "Apollo11"


Maybe you can put some to good use:

http://www.tecepe.com.br/nav/CDSextantProject.htm




Raverdave -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 12:43:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

I still have thousands and thousands LEGO bricks stored... never wanted to give them away! [:D]

Leo "Apollo11"


Maybe you can put some to good use:

http://www.tecepe.com.br/nav/CDSextantProject.htm



[X(][X(][X(][X(][X(]




Raverdave -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 12:47:39 PM)

If you think this is a great forum where you are made to feel safe and loved, try out this Modeller's forum:-


http://cs.finescale.com/forums/






ilovestrategy -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 5:30:21 PM)

Living out in the country in Louisiana we had a big pond behind our house. Being an avid modeler that assembled a ship a month I always had a fleet at hand. I would set my fleet out and have at it with my pellet rifle.
Wow, I miss those days of wrecking destruction [:)]




Mark VII -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 6:17:17 PM)

Nice "wet" look to the floats![&o] That is a great build.

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg


[image]http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/tnt1/001-100/TNT067_making-water_Geraths/images/Ill23.jpg[/image]







BrucePowers -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 7:01:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Feinder

quote:

The Tamiya kits retail for around $100, but they are pretty close to the most detailed 1/32 scale kits ever made.


Wdolson gives a great analysis. But just to clarify, it's the 1/32 kit that will run you around $100. Most 1:48 kits from Hasegawa and Tamiya are $18 - $26.

Revell-Monogram-Airfix usually run you $14 - $22 (a little cheaper), but you get a better kit for the money with Hasegawa and Tamiya. Frankly, I don't by -that- many kits anyway, so I'd spend a little more to get a better kit (the price difference is a trip to Taco Bell, so no biggie). Besides, if you're "just getting back into the hobby", you're going to end up spending $100 on paints anyway. [;)]

Funny, I've got the set-up for acrylics, and have used them, and I realize that the best modelers use acrylics, but I still just love the enamels.

-F-



I use acrylics. The clean up is easier. Also, I am not spraying a flammable solvent in a garage with a gas hot water heater and clothes dryer[:D]




Charles2222 -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 11:25:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

"Instead we went the plastic army soldiers routine as the recipients of our arm launched weapons. "

A low tech version of HG Wells' Little Wars. I used to use a miniature superball for my indoor toy soldier wars.

I could just see my parents go ape over the idea of a superball in the house, even if you just "barely bounced it". My indoor warring was pretty much confined to the bathtub. The weapon of choice naturally was the disasterous tidal waves that would decimate both sides. An occasional monster whirlpool was never out of the question either. I never thought of the idea of combining the outdoor use of napalm to the bathtub. Hmm, that would had made a sound which I never heard before, the sound of the napalm hitting the water.




Charles2222 -> RE: WITP and me (8/16/2007 11:29:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: sprior

I used lego bricks.


I still have thousands and thousands LEGO bricks stored... never wanted to give them away! [:D]

BTW, I also have several thousands large 1:48 plastic soldiers WWII army (Germans, Japanese, British, USA, Russians)!

When I created battles with those plastic soldires I used LEGO bricks as "ammo" (nothing breaks and you can even have cool fragmentation ammo)!

Ahh... those were the days... [:D]



Leo "Apollo11"


Oh yes, that reminds me of the bunkers we would build. There was some sort of log blocks that my parents gave me that was used quite a bit (you could build log cabins, etc.). I would call them Tinker Toys, but I know that's not what they were. My brother got Tinker Toys, but they weren't much use for war that we saw. They would pass for making a no-man's-land fencing I suppose.





TOMLABEL -> RE: WITP and me (8/17/2007 2:15:51 AM)


[
Oh yes, one weapon system I personally discovered in my latter childhood, after the true thrill of rock throwing at army men had worn off, and that was the discovery of napalm! Yes, you could get a prisoner army man and set him on fire. The trick was to hold this prisoner, who refused to talk, as your napalm terror on the unwilling ant population below. Yes, the plastic melts and falls off the soldier, whilst making a whoosing sound on it's way down. Definitely the coolest backyard weapon I had ever managed given the Flintstonian limitations.
[/quote]

Ditto.
Oh, the memories!!! [:D][:D]

One other thing this brings to mind is lobbing M-80s into a trench line full of plastic soldiers. The Horror...the horror..

TOMLABEL




wdolson -> RE: WITP and me (8/17/2007 3:21:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22
Oh yes, that reminds me of the bunkers we would build. There was some sort of log blocks that my parents gave me that was used quite a bit (you could build log cabins, etc.). I would call them Tinker Toys, but I know that's not what they were. My brother got Tinker Toys, but they weren't much use for war that we saw. They would pass for making a no-man's-land fencing I suppose.


Sounds like Lincoln Logs. My sister had some that I perloined. She was mostly past that stage by the time I came along anyway. She's 10 years older.

Bill




BrucePowers -> RE: WITP and me (8/17/2007 3:44:36 AM)

Licoln logs all right. American Bricks, Tinker Toys, Erector sets, Kenner Bridge and Girder sets (owned 3 different sets of these), Gilbert chemistry sets, Gilbert microscope and my brother had a cloud chamber that came with a radioactive sample (an alpha emitter)[:D]

Is it any wonder we are both engineers[:D]




Raverdave -> RE: WITP and me (8/17/2007 11:59:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

Erector sets




Hmmmmmm you guys had some strange toys.[sm=innocent0009.gif]




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