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KDonovan -> Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 1:02:00 AM)
for those that have played Japan into the later years of the war, will my japanese oppenant be facing a supply shortage in the home islands?? here's the situation, i've essentially cut off the Home Islands from the DEI since March of 1944 (with an exception of a few blockade runners). I've been pounding the Home Islands Industry since then as well, destroying about 50-60% of the Industry there. I've taken that island b/t Korea and Japan to prevent supply coming from there. so my question is by mid-1945, if this continues...will there be a good chance that the home islands will be out of supply....or does japan's reserves prevent that from ever happening?

Marten -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 9:46:03 AM)
it seems that we have the same problem... [:(]

Rapunzel -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 3:19:03 PM)
It all depends how much the japan player has shipped out of japan... . Against the AI I allready had the pleasure to invade japan against only low suplied japanese.

aztez -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 5:18:28 PM)
This is the exact same question I would like to know!

castor troy -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 5:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KDonovan for those that have played Japan into the later years of the war, will my japanese oppenant be facing a supply shortage in the home islands?? here's the situation, i've essentially cut off the Home Islands from the DEI since March of 1944 (with an exception of a few blockade runners). I've been pounding the Home Islands Industry since then as well, destroying about 50-60% of the Industry there. I've taken that island b/t Korea and Japan to prevent supply coming from there. so my question is by mid-1945, if this continues...will there be a good chance that the home islands will be out of supply....or does japan's reserves prevent that from ever happening? short answer: NO! long answer: no he won´t suffer from supply shortages! Stock game? If so, then your opponent will have something like 5.000.000 - 6.000.000 supplies on map. Don´t know how much he will have on the HI but probably something like 1.000.000 if he doesn´t go wild in repairing his industry. If you don´t repair thousands of oil / HI / ressource points during the game then YOU WILL NEVER FACE ANY SUPPLY SHORTAGES AS JAPAN!!!

KDonovan -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 8:12:09 PM)
quote: short answer: NO! long answer: no he won´t suffer from supply shortages! Stock game? If so, then your opponent will have something like 5.000.000 - 6.000.000 supplies on map. Don´t know how much he will have on the HI but probably something like 1.000.000 if he doesn´t go wild in repairing his industry. If you don´t repair thousands of oil / HI / ressource points during the game then YOU WILL NEVER FACE ANY SUPPLY SHORTAGES AS JAPAN!!! so despite a year+ blockade of the Home Islands, and constant Bombing of her industry....if i plan to invade the Home Islands, i'll be facing a well supplied, well fortified army that can respond to any landing point in concentration on a rail line that can't be destroyed? i'm starting to wonder if invading the home islands is near impossible in my game

aztez -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 10:07:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: KDonovan for those that have played Japan into the later years of the war, will my japanese oppenant be facing a supply shortage in the home islands?? here's the situation, i've essentially cut off the Home Islands from the DEI since March of 1944 (with an exception of a few blockade runners). I've been pounding the Home Islands Industry since then as well, destroying about 50-60% of the Industry there. I've taken that island b/t Korea and Japan to prevent supply coming from there. so my question is by mid-1945, if this continues...will there be a good chance that the home islands will be out of supply....or does japan's reserves prevent that from ever happening? short answer: NO! long answer: no he won´t suffer from supply shortages! Stock game? If so, then your opponent will have something like 5.000.000 - 6.000.000 supplies on map. Don´t know how much he will have on the HI but probably something like 1.000.000 if he doesn´t go wild in repairing his industry. If you don´t repair thousands of oil / HI / ressource points during the game then YOU WILL NEVER FACE ANY SUPPLY SHORTAGES AS JAPAN!!! Any chance of breaking the bad news more gently!?! [:D][:D] Damn, I'am already invading Home Islands and now you are telling me this! [:-]

RUPD3658 -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 10:22:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KDonovan so despite a year+ blockade of the Home Islands, and constant Bombing of her industry....if i plan to invade the Home Islands, i'll be facing a well supplied, well fortified army that can respond to any landing point in concentration on a rail line that can't be destroyed? i'm starting to wonder if invading the home islands is near impossible in my game The blockade was not as tight as you might have though. Several blockade runners made it through. Just invade and then you will get your answer[:D]

pompack -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 10:31:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KDonovan so despite a year+ blockade of the Home Islands, and constant Bombing of her industry....if i plan to invade the Home Islands, i'll be facing a well supplied, well fortified army that can respond to any landing point in concentration on a rail line that can't be destroyed? i'm starting to wonder if invading the home islands is near impossible in my game Note that blockade and bombing of industry are not additive: Oil and Resource are needed by Industry so bombing the industry simply means that the Japanese need fewer resources to keep their remaining industry going. In fact, since the usual flow of supply is OUT of the HI, you may have INCREASED the HI supply stockpile with the blockade! [:D]

aztez -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 10:42:36 PM)
Ok. This is not good news.. so basically what the information here is that even that I have bombed 90% of Japanese Home Island industry into stoneage vs Erstad he should not be running low on supplies... actually vice versa thus meaning that those 300 000 men I have landed at Kagoshima aren't going find any good news coming for them! [8\|][8\|] ...the invasion doesn't look like an bright idea after this. ...ok.. now I need stop worrying about this too much and let KDonovan worry about this for all of us! [:D]

VSWG -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 10:45:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Ok. This is not good news.. so basically what the information here is that even that I have bombed 90% of Japanese Home Island industry into stoneage vs Erstad he should not be running low on supplies... actually vice versa thus meaning that those 300 000 men I have landed at Kagoshima aren't going find any good news coming for them! [8\|][8\|] ...the invasion doesn't look like an bright idea after this. ...ok.. now I need stop worrying about this too much and let KDonovan worry about this for all of us! [:D] You have to learn to stop worrying and love the bomb. [;)]

SireChaos -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/19/2007 11:03:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RUPD3658 quote: ORIGINAL: KDonovan so despite a year+ blockade of the Home Islands, and constant Bombing of her industry....if i plan to invade the Home Islands, i'll be facing a well supplied, well fortified army that can respond to any landing point in concentration on a rail line that can't be destroyed? i'm starting to wonder if invading the home islands is near impossible in my game The blockade was not as tight as you might have though. Several blockade runners made it through. Just invade and then you will get your answer[:D] A single blockade runner cannot carry that much. A small AK can carry resources to delay a shortage by 1/2 day; a large AK, for 1 day. A small TK can carry oil for 1 day, a large TK for 2 days. So, statistically (if blockade runners consist of all four types in roughly equal proportions), each blockade runner can delay the onset of shortage by about .6 days. I´d be surprised if blockade runners make a difference of two weeks (that would take about 23 of them). (With "delay shortage", I mean that the shipment plus the resource/oil production of the Home Islands on a given day is enough to keep all HI going for that one day.)

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 9:57:30 AM)
I'll also point out, that you can have plenty of supply, and if you are out of armanment points due to a lack of HI, ground attacks that result in dead squads will not be replaced, regardless of the volume of supplies. And then of course HI shortages affect aircraft as well making bombing that much easier.

Mike Solli -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 3:06:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Ok. This is not good news.. so basically what the information here is that even that I have bombed 90% of Japanese Home Island industry into stoneage vs Erstad he should not be running low on supplies... actually vice versa thus meaning that those 300 000 men I have landed at Kagoshima aren't going find any good news coming for them! [8\|][8\|] ...the invasion doesn't look like an bright idea after this. ...ok.. now I need stop worrying about this too much and let KDonovan worry about this for all of us! [:D] Don't forget that resource centers produce supply too. Why am I telling you this? I'm a JFB. Slaps Self

aztez -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 5:36:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Ok. This is not good news.. so basically what the information here is that even that I have bombed 90% of Japanese Home Island industry into stoneage vs Erstad he should not be running low on supplies... actually vice versa thus meaning that those 300 000 men I have landed at Kagoshima aren't going find any good news coming for them! [8\|][8\|] ...the invasion doesn't look like an bright idea after this. ...ok.. now I need stop worrying about this too much and let KDonovan worry about this for all of us! [:D] Don't forget that resource centers produce supply too. Why am I telling you this? I'm a JFB. Slaps Self [:D][:D] ... I don't mind the information! There are not many resource centers left at Home Islands... not much else either.. [:D]

RUPD3658 -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 10:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Ok. This is not good news.. so basically what the information here is that even that I have bombed 90% of Japanese Home Island industry into stoneage vs Erstad he should not be running low on supplies... actually vice versa thus meaning that those 300 000 men I have landed at Kagoshima aren't going find any good news coming for them! [8\|][8\|] ...the invasion doesn't look like an bright idea after this. ...ok.. now I need stop worrying about this too much and let KDonovan worry about this for all of us! [:D] Don't forget that resource centers produce supply too. Why am I telling you this? I'm a JFB. Slaps Self Give yourself a slap from me too[sm=00000030.gif]

aztez -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 10:17:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RUPD3658 quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Ok. This is not good news.. so basically what the information here is that even that I have bombed 90% of Japanese Home Island industry into stoneage vs Erstad he should not be running low on supplies... actually vice versa thus meaning that those 300 000 men I have landed at Kagoshima aren't going find any good news coming for them! [8\|][8\|] ...the invasion doesn't look like an bright idea after this. ...ok.. now I need stop worrying about this too much and let KDonovan worry about this for all of us! [:D] Don't forget that resource centers produce supply too. Why am I telling you this? I'm a JFB. Slaps Self Give yourself a slap from me too[sm=00000030.gif] [:D][:D] ...We must protect Mike! [:-] ...he can reveal a lot more information!

RUPD3658 -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 10:20:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg I'll also point out, that you can have plenty of supply, and if you are out of armanment points due to a lack of HI, ground attacks that result in dead squads will not be replaced, regardless of the volume of supplies. And then of course HI shortages affect aircraft as well making bombing that much easier. Not a problem[:D]: [image]local://upfiles/7488/96AAFB1583B84B35AB81C198579C6AFD.jpg[/image]

KDonovan -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 11:33:17 PM)
so that stinks...no matter how much bombing i do my oppenant has a untouchable pool of Armament, HI, Manpower points from which to produce supply and re-equip entire armies.

Mike Solli -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 11:35:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RUPD3658 quote: ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg I'll also point out, that you can have plenty of supply, and if you are out of armanment points due to a lack of HI, ground attacks that result in dead squads will not be replaced, regardless of the volume of supplies. And then of course HI shortages affect aircraft as well making bombing that much easier. Not a problem[:D]: [image]local://upfiles/7488/96AAFB1583B84B35AB81C198579C6AFD.jpg[/image] What's the one Nissan engine for, the museum? [:'(]

RUPD3658 -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/20/2007 11:53:33 PM)
Didn't convert the factory on day 1. It looks like my tinkering with the economy is going to pay off. I wish I could remember what I did so I could write a thread about it. [8D]

RUPD3658 -> RE: Japanese Home Island Supply in 1945 (9/21/2007 12:18:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KDonovan so that stinks...no matter how much bombing i do my oppenant has a untouchable pool of Armament, HI, Manpower points from which to produce supply and re-equip entire armies. The key is targeting order. This is what I think would have hurt me most: 1. Oil: There are only a few oil centers in Japan. Knock these out and the reserves start to dwindle. Each center produces 6 oil points which in turn run 6 HI which create 6 supplies. 2. Resources: They produce supply 3. AF factories: While the planes themselves go into a pool there are no stored production points. Bomb the factories and the AC production stops 4. Armament/Vehicle factories: The pools may be large but the sooner the sourse is cut off the faster the pools dwindle 5. Repair yards: prevents ships from upgrading 6. Naval/Merchant yards: These slow/stop ship construction but if you are bombing the Home Islands, a good Japanese player should have cancelled most production projects 7. Heavy Industry: With no oil they don't run and really don't effect the economy.

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