castor troy -> RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy (2/20/2008 5:46:33 PM)
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/18/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 4 encounters mine field at Akyab (30,29) Japanese Ships PG Eiko Maru PG Eifuku Maru PG Uji AK Hitora Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire PG Saga PG Chosa Maru my sub laid mines were worth bringing them there... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 44 encounters mine field at Akyab (30,29) Japanese Ships PC Ch 17 PC Takunan Maru #5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 48,112 Japanese Ships SS RO-65 Allied Ships DD Buchanan DD Aaron Ward DD Monssen DD Grayson DD Gwin DD Meredith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 37 A6M3 Zero x 16 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 58 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 80 CW-22 Falcon x 1 P-40E Warhawk x 101 Hurricane IIc x 16 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged A6M3 Zero: 5 damaged Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 44 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 60 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 24 destroyed, 53 damaged Hurricane IIc: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged Itīs more than frustrating to see 50 Zeroes taking down 50 or your most experienced fighters when they lose 2 of their own... [8|] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kai Island , at 39,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 79 Ki-21 Sally x 22 Ki-48 Lily x 27 No Japanese losses Runway hits 18 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 125th IJNAF Base Force, at 100,64 Allied aircraft B-26B Marauder x 43 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Port Moresby Defense Brigade, at 54,92 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 26 A6M3 Zero x 5 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 22 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 A6M3 Zero x 16 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 2 Wellington III x 6 P-40E Warhawk x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 2 damaged Wellington III: 1 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships PG Eifuku Maru PG Uji, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet the sacrifice of my fighters/fighter bombers with my sweep to Akyab makes it possible for my bombers to get to their targets... donīt know though if it was worth the destruction of nearly all my British fighter bomber squadrons... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 36 A6M3 Zero x 16 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 31 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 28 Beaufort I x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 6 destroyed, 16 damaged Beaufort I: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Natori AP Kyokusei Maru, Torpedo hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Beaufort I launching torpedoes at 200 feet we have around 60 torp bombers at Chandpur, those 6 are the only that take off... [8|] ALL my other bombers in this region took off. The Beaforts are the most exp bombers I have there - all are above 80 exp and morale is mostly at 99. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 A6M3 Zero x 7 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 26 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AP Eihuku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire CL Natori, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Kyokusei Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Kasui Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Miyadono Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Meiyo Maru AP Tamatsu Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet CL Natori was hit by a 1000lb bomb. The high exp of my Wellingtons makes it possible that many 1000lb bombs are dropped and those bombs really do damage! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 A6M3 Zero x 7 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 6 A-20B Boston x 3 B-26B Marauder x 25 IL-4c x 13 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged Japanese Ships CL Natori, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage AP Satsuma Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Zenyo Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire AP Manila Maru MSW Fumi Maru #2, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Sanko Maru Japanese ground losses: 87 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x IL-4c bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet Natori is hit by another 1000lb bomb, several 500lb GP bombs and a 250kg AP bomb from the Chinese bombers... she suffers a mag explosion from the last bomb hit and after that my bombers failed to locate her. CL Natori sunk! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 34 A6M3 Zero x 16 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 25 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 3 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Japanese Ships MSW W.14 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 34 A6M3 Zero x 16 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 25 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 14 Wellington III x 51 P-40E Warhawk x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged Wellington III: 3 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged Japanese Ships AP Oigawa Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage AK Totai Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage AK Bichu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Kennichi Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AK Takegawa Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage AK Tsukikawa Maru AK Yuki Maru PC Ch 17 Japanese ground losses: 108 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet as you can see, another strike with a reasonable number of bombers. Canīt believe that Hortlund still thinks that Iīm just a bit more lucky with my die rolls and itīs not a matter of the number of the TFs there. Again a couple of 1000lb bomb hits, I expect 4 ships to sink. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 33 A6M3 Zero x 15 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 23 Allied aircraft A-20B Boston x 10 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses A-20B Boston: 2 damaged Japanese Ships AP Katori Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 2 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 33 A6M3 Zero x 15 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 23 Allied aircraft A-20B Boston x 11 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses A-20B Boston: 3 damaged Japanese Ships AK Hitora Maru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet this oneīs dead also... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 33 A6M3 Zero x 15 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 23 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AK Suez Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 28,30 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 3 No Allied losses Japanese Ships ML Katoku, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet the already damaged ML is sunk... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 A6M3 Zero x 15 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 27 Allied aircraft Hurricane IIb x 3 Wellington III x 72 P-40E Warhawk x 7 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 5 damaged A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Wellington III: 37 damaged P-40E Warhawk: 7 destroyed Japanese Ships AP Meiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1 AP Oridono Maru, Bomb hits 2 AP Kasui Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Maya Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Satsuma Maru, on fire AP Eihuku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Karachi Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CL Natori, on fire, heavy damage AP Meikai Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire AP Keisho Maru AP Seizan Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Nowaki AP Kaifuku Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AP Tamatsu Maru Japanese ground losses: 77 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet another big strike, instead of 12 small strikes. The Japanese fighters once again have severe problems taking down the Allied bombers. I agree with Hortlund that this is a problem of the mod, though he seems not to agree with me that itīs also a problem that the Zeroes take down 50 of my most exp pilots in the best fighters I can field for a loss of 4 or 5 Zeroes. Iīve got the feeling he wants to see losses on my side like they would be in stock but he can accept the changes of the mod if those are in his favour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Akyab at 30,29 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 A6M3 Zero x 7 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 10 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 7 A-20B Boston x 7 B-26B Marauder x 6 IL-4c x 7 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged Allied aircraft losses Wellington III: 4 damaged A-20B Boston: 3 damaged B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged IL-4c: 3 damaged Japanese Ships AP Kaifuku Maru, on fire, heavy damage DD Nowaki PC Ch 12 AP Miyadono Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 3 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet and thatīs it! All in all, in the last two days we took severe losses within our fighter squadrons, the British pilot pool lost around 80-90 pilots, Hurricane pools are empty. P-40 pool is down to 20, losses in USAAF pilots are not as a problem like the losses of British pilots. We destroyed a lot of Japanese fighters also, but mostly IJA Oscars. The Zeroes with their pilots in the 80s are performing, comparable to 80 exp. Corsairs vs 70 exp Zeroes in stock. Unbelievable high kill rates which my forces just canīt sustain. I canīt afford losing 8-10 of my fighters for the loss of 1 Zero. the last two turns saw us losing 241 aircraft vs. 220 Japanese aircraft lost! To be more precise, we lost: 115 Hurricane IIb 67 P-40 Warhawk 8 Hurricane IIc 8 Wellington III 15 Spitfire Vb 18 Marlet II and a couple of other aircraft the Japanese lost: 169 Oscar Ic (49 on the ground) 33 A6M-3 Zero (21 on the ground) 13 A6M-2 Zero and 5 other aircraft [image]local://upfiles/13774/7AE47155AF234F52A1476A2645BB07EA.jpg[/image] with the damage done to the enemyīs shipping this looks like it was a severe punch on the first looks. But as Iīve mentioned, the losses of British pilots are really severe and it will take one month to fill out and repair the squadrons and another 3 months to bring those 50 exp pilots back to 70 exp like those pilots that were lost in the last two days. With the numbers of ships (especially APs) I expect massive reinforcements of Akyab, for sure more AA. Our troops are already 70 miles away from Akyab and will enter the enemy base within a month. Iīm not overcomitted here, so if he wants to defend this base, he will be able to do that, but he can NOT defend all other base with a couple of divisions then and a well planned massive invasion of one of the bases on Sumatra could cause him real problems. What we have to do is to bring more USAAF fighters to India. I could also bring in Marine fighter squadrons but I always found it strange to see Corsairs operating out of India. There are problems though. We have to send those USAAF fighters to India by ship through sub, CS, CVE infested waters on the map edge to India AND the P-40 replacement rate is 50, so it takes one and a half months to upgrade a 72 aircraft FG. This, if we take no losses to the existing squadrons, which wonīt be possible. Whatīs also interesting is a discussion Steve and I have at the moment as he thinks that Nikmod made the Japanese a piece of crap. I have the same mod going in my game against Swift and I can say from both sides, the Japanese are absolutely not a piece of crap in this mod. I even expect them to be stronger from 43 on compared to stock. As our battles so far showed, even 29 Betties, escorted by 50 Zeroes are able to score a couple of hits within your CV TFs, so the Uber cap is nearly solved. Of course this brings up the problems for the Japanese also, when the Japanese player sees nearly undestructable Allied bombers. But to overcompensate this, there is the Japanese super flak now, which can make 200 Allied bombers inoperational after one attack from an alt of 11-16.000 ft. Attacks from the standart attack alt in most other versions of WITP are only possible if there are no more than 1 or 2 IJA baseforces at a base. One thing Steve mentioned was the Japanese aircraft industry, that was cut down. Yes, in the beginning you have far less aircraft in production than in stock. But itīs EASILY possible to ramp up production. You can ramp it up at will, thereīs always enough supply lying around. It just takes a couple of months if you increase your output. I did that in my game against Swift and so I checked Hortlundīs output also. Guess what! I donīt know why heīs arguing about a crippled Japanese aircraft industry, heīs producing around 200 Oscars and 260 Zeroes at the moment!!! [X(] At this date, I didnīt even produce such numbers in stock - thereīs no need for such a high production "capacity" anyway. In my game against Swift I ramped up production also, no question, but Iīm not the one whoīs saying that this isnīt possible. So in fact, the losses my opponent took over Akyab are replaced easily, when weīre talking about the airframes. And I guess there are still more than 1000 pilots in the Japanese pool. This in a mod that completely crippled the Japanese! [:D]
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