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wurger54 -> Italy First (11/9/2007 9:48:36 PM)

Has anybody tried an 'Italy first' strategy as the CP yet? If so tell us about it. I'm going to do it at some point in a PBEM. Punish those Ities for not honoroing treaties. Just haven't gotten around to it.




SMK-at-work -> RE: Italy First (11/10/2007 1:36:14 AM)

You don't really have enough units until the big reinforcements arrive in 1915, but if hte TE leaves you alone until then then it is eminently do-able.




Alex Gilbert -> RE: Italy First (11/10/2007 1:50:28 AM)

I have only tried this against the AI, but it works. Attack France, but reserve 6 German corps, 1 Art, and 2-3 Austrian corps for the Italians. DoW on turn 2 (it takes all of turn 1 to move into position--no strategic movement). Italy falls by early 1915 because there are no extra French/British forces to reinforce the Italians.

Against a human player, the counter to this is a very aggressive Russia (since the forces used against Italy strip the eastern front even worse than usual), combined with a strategic withdrawal by the Italians, as a lot of the points towards Italy's surrender seem to come from killing troops.




kcole4080 -> RE: Italy First (11/10/2007 7:11:48 PM)

I tried it in my most recent game.
1) I took Belgium & Luxembourg to keep the French busy.
2) Placed a reasonable garrison in the East.
3) Yes, you do really have to wait until sizable reinforcements are mobilized in 1915, so deploy these plus air points and artillery to the Italian Front as soon as possible with three well stocked HQ's.
4) Attempt to encircle as many Italian corps as you can, the take the northern cities before the Brits & French can intervene effectively.

Obviously you must purchase plenty of trenches to keep the French & Russians from pushing your troops around and losses on what you want to be static fronts down.
Also, deploying the 'B' class reinforcements to replace the 'A' class corps, then using the 'A' troops for the assault on Italy is more effective, along with any spare 'A' class A-H corps you have (if Serbia has surrendered already) to hold your gains.

OR:
Wait until Italy joins the ET, then let them advance with a few corps, probably in two separate advances, THEN cut them off and take the cities.

They are fairly easy to knock out if you concentrate on the Italian forces & cities, but waiting will delay the effective counterstrike, unless you are ready & waiting for them (and who has two or three armies hanging around without better things to do?).

The mountains and the plain beyond are a good place to cut off some incautious French troops also.




Franck -> RE: Italy First (11/17/2007 12:32:18 AM)

Just tryed it myself:
I started with a major commitment of Austrian troops in Northern Italy (2*A class troops per hexe, 1siege artilary to crumble the forts and one normal art) some Austrian defending against a possible Russian ultra offensive turn one attack toward Vienna. I DoWed on first turn used most of my free corps from not  attacking France against the russian going for Warsaw and Riga. Moved 8 german corps (mostly B) to go reenforce the Italian. The Italian surrender is pretty long to get. Even tough I get ALL city north of Rome on the first turn they never surrendered before second turn. I believe you have to do that before later turns otherwise,  French and British troops are going to bolster the Italian.




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