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modred -> RE: Superstar salary demands (11/21/2007 10:37:46 PM)

Frozen Stiffer - there have to be game play concessions made to sign people. If everyone is up against the salary cap and no one drops their demands then you will end up with the case where everyone signs $50k players to fill out their rosters and have a free agent pool of talented players. I do think that a player should only accept a one year offer after a certain reduction in salary desired.

Problems definitely arise when the superstar players delay in signing deals. I am not sure if they delay because the team offering the contract does not have the room under the cap or some other reason. I would suggest that superstars, if they have multiple offers of greater than their demands, decide earlier rather than later, especially since there is a counter offer portion available. The AI seems to be a bit better in recent versions about not making tons of offers in Week 1 to guys in the bell portion of the talent curve but still leaves a lot of talent in the pool. Perhaps the AI also needs to account for the amount of money left in the pool before making offers to the mediocre guys and abandon all hope of signing the more talented players (although my playing style might still confuse it as one of my house rules is to wait until week 5 or so before making offers so that would still leave a good chunk of change in the pool).



Frozen Stiffer -> RE: Superstar salary demands (11/21/2007 11:29:16 PM)

modred,

I completely get it. My concern wasn't so focused on IF players were willing to concede their demands so much as HOW MUCH they were willing to concede. Sure, a guy asking 12-mil may be willing to take a pay cut to get signed when the alternative is NOT PLAYING. However, I still think that players are either confident enough in their ability or optimistic enough in the needs of other teams to not short-change themselves too much. That 12-mil player may take 10 mil or even 9 when faced with staying at home for a year, but I just cannot see them compromising themselves so much as to start at 12 then accept 6.

Also, take into consideration that players should not always look solely at the AMOUNT of the contract but also the LENGTH.

For example, while going through the off-season recently, I had this one player that I was offering a 4-year contract for say 9-million a year. They were leaning toward another team's 9-million 3-year contract. I tried to up it to 9.5 million for 4 years but still they leaned towards the other team. I was adamant to not pay him more than 10-million so I edged up to 9.75 mil for 4 years and still nothing. I figured "what the hell" and offered him 10-million for 4 years and still he declined. I gave up and he signed with the other team. What was all that about??!?!?!



KG Erwin -> RE: Superstar salary demands (11/22/2007 3:44:44 AM)

I really don't know what to think about this, except to offer a what if. What if free agency existed 50 or 60 years ago? What would guys like Ted Williams or Joe DiMaggio be asking for?

I really thought about starting a real-player league with that premise in mind. After all, at one time in the late 1800s such a structure did exist, and that's how the reserve clause came into being.

You guys are focusing upon fictional-player leagues, but I only use real players. It's gonna have to be addressed, as a few of us might want to move into the late 20th century and beyond in historical play.

Now, actual salary figures do exist for the last ten years or so, as well as actual salary totals for the teams.

I have to bring this up, as it has become obvious in the last decade or so that high payrolls do NOT guarantee pennants or WS titles. I love the irony in this.



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