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ORIGINAL: timothy_stone

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ORIGINAL: jnier

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ORIGINAL: jamo262
Spain I'm not so sure about. Maybe a guerrilla war is fun but losing fleets is not. They are too hard to rebuild.

Spain is a blast! The trick is to use your fleet as lever, without actually ever committing it to battle. The threat alone, of all those Spanish ships, scares the crap out of both England and France.

I agree that your fleets are your best bargaining chip, but i differ in the use of it

The Brits are scared of your fleets, so the threat of allying with the FR is a valid one.

Don't imagine that the FR are scared of your fleets (their fleets are already pinned helplessly in port), and FR can trash your nation in a heart-beat. Threatening FR will get you laughed at

SP is an easy bag of p.p.s for france, never forget that.

Use the possibility of allying with FR and lending her your fleets as your bargaining chip to keep FR sweet (e.g. if you attack me, i won't lend you my fleets, but if you leave me alone then at the right time we can jump GB together...) and to keep GB off your back (attack my ships or portugal, and I am FR's ally against you)

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ORIGINAL: timothy_stone

Are you saying they *still* would not be allowed to land? Interesting.

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Does the fact that they are moving in SP's turn really keep them limited to only moving into lands that *SP* can move into?

i.e. do they act half-french (who they can attack) and half-Spanish (where they can move)?

SO if FR/SP are allied, FR is at war with AU, SP is not ---
FR and SP want to combine move (so FR loans some corps to SP).
in the SP turn, those FR corps could attack AU troops that are in FR lands (since SP can move there)
but NOT attack Au troops in AU land (since SP has no access to Au land)?

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ORIGINAL: Monadman

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ORIGINAL: timothy_stone

Hopefully, there will be a patch, but until then any game i play in will have to have a house rule about the fleet situation to give britain *any* chance of winning, because once GB starts winning, it's very easy for the rest of the world to force her into a series of surrenders, something that is much much harder to do in the original game.

Actually, the way it was coded, the program would have booted any loaned corps off the island unless Britain had given the borrowing major power access (there is no forcible access in EiANW). That would mean that the borrower would need to con their ally (Britain) into believing that they needed access while at the same time that borrower was also allied to Britain’s enemy with full access to their territory as well (which Britain could clearly detect). So your house rule will have to come equipped with a few players less accustomed to the rules in order for you to come close to pulling the above scenario off (even the AI is not that dumb).

Anyway, we already have a fix in that will allow major powers to attack neutral or allied fleets transporting an enemy corps. It will be a deviation (not following EiA 6.3.1.2 to the letter) but players will be allowed to either intercept (if a standing order is given), or initiate an attack during their naval turn, if there is an enemy corps onboard.

Richard

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ORIGINAL: Murat

Well 1st my question that remains unanswered:
Will a patch be happening to allow fleets to be loaned? Yes or No. This is important since without it, Britain is completely safe in the game and cannot be invaded no matter how many enemies she has.

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Now for my new question:
Are you going to be patching to fix the fact that a loaned corp cannot attack a nations that it is at war with (FR corps loaned to neutral SP not being able to enter AU when FR and AU at war for example)?

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ORIGINAL: Monadman

If Spain is also at war with Austria then they can move into Austria, however, if Spain is neutral in that war then no, Spain will not be able to use French forces against Austria in Austria.

Richard

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ORIGINAL: Murat

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ORIGINAL: Monadman

If Spain is also at war with Austria then they can move into Austria, however, if Spain is neutral in that war then no, Spain will not be able to use French forces against Austria in Austria.

Richard

Ever? That's pretty limiting. You have to either allow corps to be loaned and fight like your nationality to represent combined move or you need to abandon the corp loaning all together in the patch, you cannot have 1 rule for land and 1 for naval.

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ORIGINAL: Monadman

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ORIGINAL: Murat

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ORIGINAL: Monadman

If Spain is also at war with Austria then they can move into Austria, however, if Spain is neutral in that war then no, Spain will not be able to use French forces against Austria in Austria.

Richard

Ever? That's pretty limiting. You have to either allow corps to be loaned and fight like your nationality to represent combined move or you need to abandon the corp loaning all together in the patch, you cannot have 1 rule for land and 1 for naval.

“Have to”– no.

We have disallowed one ally (not a war) to use another ally’s forces to invade the enemy territory of that second ally under the combine movement rule. Declaring war is the only option in EiANW unless defending or attacking in an area where access allows the neutral major power to operate the loaned corps.

But here’s the kicker . . . while composing a test game for this specific issue (neutral major power ally controlling ally’s forces), I noticed that it was broken. Yes, that’s right – it no longer is allowing the borrower to defend or attack with the loaned corps in an area where access allows the neutral major power to operate. Note: You can still move and attack if both borrower and loaner are at war the other major power (simulating combined movement). We’ll get this one fixed as well and push something to you all ASAP.

Never a dull moment . . .

Richard

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ORIGINAL: timothy_stone

Hey, since the loaned corps are acting half-half nationality wise,
If FR loans 2 corps to SP, and SP gets in a fight with AU with 4 SP corps and 2 FR corps
(FR and SP are allied, both are at war with AU - FR corps are less than 20 factors)

If SP loses the fight, does he lose 3 pps? Or does he lose 2 pp.s and france lose 1 (as in normal EiA)?

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If he wins the fight (let's posit that there are 4 Au corps) does only SP gain +2 pp or do both SP and FR gain +2 pp (as in the original)?

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ORIGINAL: Monadman
“Have to”– no.