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SargeantTex -> sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 7:38:27 AM)
just finished a gaudalcanal scenario and was surprised when one of my S boats put a fish in Zuikaku which was extremely helpful left me with a carrier advantage throughout the game. First time one of my subs has holed a cv played a grand campaign earlier in year and never got one. does anyone have a story of a crucial hit like this.

TheElf -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 11:35:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SargeantTex just finished a gaudalcanal scenario and was surprised when one of my S boats put a fish in Zuikaku which was extremely helpful left me with a carrier advantage throughout the game. First time one of my subs has holed a cv played a grand campaign earlier in year and never got one. does anyone have a story of a crucial hit like this. Archerfish sinking Shinano? That was RL though. Are you looking for game stories?

wild_Willie2 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 2:48:56 PM)
I had plenty of "dud" torpedo hits on Japanese CV's early in the philipine campain (you REALLY hate your own faulty torpedo's then), I even had my own allied CV's torpedoed (NON DUD!!) by jap boats. It is not common to get a CV torped (strong escort and aircover) but it is not extremely RARE either

Knavey -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 3:27:24 PM)
I have had a half dozen Torpedo failed to explode messages on BBs and CVs on down. [:(]

spence -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 3:46:24 PM)
In my PBEM a Dutch sub torpedoed the Taiyo. Didn't happen right away, she made it to Kendari, but she sank there after 10 days or so in port. In the same game a British sub hit the Nisshin in the IO. Apparently she was badly damaged since she put in to Rangoon. There, my bombers finished her off with a few 500 lbers.

rockmedic109 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 4:29:20 PM)
I've had a Dutch sub put a pair of fish into CVL Zuiho creating another navigational hazard in the DEI.

BB56 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 6:23:50 PM)
I had an S boat put 2 fish in the Junyo - got a 'Ammo storage explosion' and she sank a day later.

niceguy2005 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 6:46:24 PM)
I had an s-bout (S-37 I think) put two fish in Akagi (I think it was Akagi). She didn't sink but spent a long time in port. Unfortunately it was 2/42 and with the KB in the DEI it didn't really impact my oppenents operations, that I could tell. Same game Yorktown hit a mine laid by a sub at Noumea. Put her in dry dock for 3 months. That DID affect allied operations.

String -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 6:52:34 PM)
I had a dutch sub put a torp into Zuikaku during a sweep through the Java sea in january 1942. Put her to 53 system in the end...

KDonovan -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/2/2007 11:26:34 PM)
In my PBEM as the Allies, i've only had 3 success against CV's...1) I've had a Dutch Sub sink the CS Chitose w/ a magazine explosion in the opening weeks of the war, 2) a Dutch Minelayer hole the CV Akagi w/ a mine (causing her to miss an important CV battle), 3) an American sub barely dent the CV Soryu w/ a fish My oppenant at similar successes as Japan.....1) putting a fish into the CV Essex, lightly damaging her, and 2) putting a couple fish into 2 CVL's, in the same turn, almost sinking them, but they survived.

R8J -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/3/2007 1:56:27 AM)
In a UV game as the Japanese I had an undamaged CVL that was attacked three or four times in one day and was sunk by a total of four torpedoes. This is the only CV that I have seen sunk strickly by sub attack. In a WITP game I got very lucky as the Japanese. After a carrier battle the Enterprise limped away (I did not have the aircraft or fuel to go after her). I guessed she was heading to the nearest friendly port. I sent a sub (it was returning from mine laying) to the port. It arrived the day before the Enterprise. My sub put one fish into the Enterprise and sank her. Believe it or not the same thing happened a few weeks later with the Hornet. Both games were pbem.

Coach Z -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/3/2007 3:43:01 AM)
In my current PBeM vs. FloydG the I-7 put a torpedo into the CL NASHVILLE, then 2 into the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE in the same turn. Unfortunately it seems he was able to escort the carrier back to a port. The I-7 was then sunk by a couple of angry US ASW Hunter Killer groups the next day.

trojan58 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/3/2007 9:05:38 AM)
My storey v the AI 8/12/41 120 miles west of Pearl Harbour 1 x jap sub, 1 x USN CV (Enterprises) 2 torpedo hits, 1 x CV in Davey Jones's Locker result 1 x very happy Jap Commander

crsutton -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 12:13:35 AM)
I remember in a game long ago catching the damaged Shokaku about a week after a big carrier battle as she slipped into Shortlands. Hit her with one torpedo and she went down right in front of the dock. Damaging one big Japanese CV in 42 before the big carrier battle is a great force equalizer.

Sonny II -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 3:30:08 AM)
In all my PBM games I have not had a CV hit with a torp - except in the three games between me and denisonh. One of my subs has put a torp in one of his CVs in each game. Unfortunately I don't believe any of them sunk - which might be the reason he whupped me in all three games.[:o]

Canoerebel -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 3:40:03 AM)
In one of my first UV pbem games, I was getting my hat handed to me by a very experienced Japanese opponent (it might have been Admiral Dadman). He was maneuvering the KB through the straight between Gili Gili and the island to the east when a US sub put a torpedo into Soryu damaging her pretty severely. That was about the only success I had in that game.

RevRick -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 4:35:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trojan My storey v the AI 8/12/41 120 miles west of Pearl Harbour 1 x jap sub, 1 x USN CV (Enterprises) 2 torpedo hits, 1 x CV in Davey Jones's Locker result 1 x very happy Jap Commander Tell me, was Imperial Japanese Headquarters happy with the sub commander when the US declared war on Japan four months before the planned Pearl Harbor attack?[;)]

marky -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 5:29:16 AM)
in my game against dennishh(spelling lol sowee) which is on hold due to "The Great Computer Crisis"[:D] KB engaged all 3 of his carriers SW of Pearl, sinking 2 and heavily damaging 1, i forget which couple days later, 1 of my Iboats put a fish or 2, not sure how many into 1 his sole surviving CV, she slid beneath the waves that same night

marky -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 5:30:31 AM)
also in that engagemnent, IIRC, Halsey was KIA, so that was a bonus for me

marky -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 5:38:11 AM)
ahhh here we go- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/23/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Allied aircraft F2A Buffalo x 11 F4F-3 Wildcat x 14 SBD Dauntless x 30 TBD Devastator x 12 Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged Japanese Ships TK Toei Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage TK Kokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire DD Akebono, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage TK Ken'yo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Nihon Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 34 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 SBD Dauntless x 18 TBD Devastator x 13 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed SBD Dauntless: 10 destroyed TBD Devastator: 11 destroyed Japanese Ships TK Toei Maru, on fire, heavy damage TK Akebono Maru, on fire TK Ken'yo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 7 SBD Dauntless x 48 TBD Devastator x 15 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 destroyed SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged TBD Devastator: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese Ships TK Akebono Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Toho Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire TK Nihon Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage TK Ken'yo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage TK Shinkoku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Kokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire TK Kyokuto Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 105,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 65 Allied aircraft F2A Buffalo x 11 F4F-3 Wildcat x 18 SBD Dauntless x 71 TBD Devastator x 24 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses F2A Buffalo: 11 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 14 destroyed SBD Dauntless: 40 destroyed TBD Devastator: 17 destroyed Japanese Ships CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1 CV Hiryu CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2, on fire CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Akagi, Bomb hits 2, on fire CV Zuikaku Aircraft Attacking: 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 36,51 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 22 B5N Kate x 19 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK Poelau Bras, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 48 D3A Val x 93 B5N Kate x 117 Allied aircraft F2A Buffalo x 10 F4F-3 Wildcat x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged D3A Val: 17 damaged B5N Kate: 12 destroyed, 33 damaged Allied aircraft losses F2A Buffalo: 8 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 13 destroyed Allied Ships CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CV Lexington, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Northampton CL Raleigh Aircraft Attacking: 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 13 D3A Val x 21 Allied aircraft F2A Buffalo x 1 F4F-3 Wildcat x 2 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged Allied aircraft losses F2A Buffalo: 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed Allied Ships CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CA Portland Aircraft Attacking: 1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 24 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val: 6 damaged Allied Ships CA Chester, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 103,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 B5N Kate x 21 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate: 2 damaged Allied Ships CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/24/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 105,72 Japanese Ships SS I-16 Allied Ships CV Lexington, on fire, heavy damage DD Chew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 105,72 Japanese Ships SS I-16 Allied Ships CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Chew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 105,72 Japanese Ships SS I-16 Allied Ships CV Lexington, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Chew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 105,72 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 11 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged Allied Ships DD Chew, Torpedo hits 1, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 105,72 Japanese Ships SS I-16 Allied Ships DD Chew, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

marky -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 5:39:40 AM)
Lex was pretty much doomed anyway but it was satisfying to see her downed by an Iboat, and before she got to Pearl

Feinder -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 6:03:20 AM)
In one PBEM, O-19 put a pair of fish into Chitose (as a CS). No, she's not a CV, but she grows up to be a CVL in 1943, so sinking her pre-emptively is nice. I'm not sure if this counts, since it's not sub vs. CVs. But in one of my PBEM games (a rare incarnation of me as IJN) my subs sank 3 crippled BBs on their way to San Francisco (Arizona within sight of land). It cost me definately 3, probably 5 subs (final two close to sinking) . But what amounted to an intially mediocre KB strike vs. PH (only 1 BB sunk), having the subs take out 3 more, was "rather satisfying" to say the least. -F-

marky -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 6:52:47 AM)
in a cpl of my AI games, a boat put a fish into Junyo, which apparently resulted in a critical hit and she sank, and another time a sub put a single fish into yamato, and down she went, i think it was a mag explosion it is deffinitely satisfying to see a sub put a fish or too, let alone sink a cap ship, tho it is rare, and more so in PBEM, if the capship is properly escorted, and movements are unpredictable and frequent, which makes it even more satisfying brings more fuel to my thinking that u should be able to set a target priority list for subs, tankers, destroyers, carriers battleships, etc

castor troy -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 10:09:08 AM)
I sunk several subs with my carrier´s SBDs and Vals, so does this count in sub vs. CV? [:D] Never sunk a CV with a sub though...

SireChaos -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 11:11:27 AM)
So far in every game I played, at least one, often two Japanese CVLs are severely damaged by Allied subs while roaming the DEI during the first months of the game; usually a BB or two as well. Never sank one, though.

niceguy2005 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 8:53:32 PM)
quote: In one PBEM, O-19 put a pair of fish into Chitose (as a CS) This F#@$ing ship is the bane of my existence as an allied player. No, it actually doesn't do that much harm, but it always shows up in the DEI at the beginning of the game and NEVER gets hit...EVER. My Martins will sink merchies all around it but can't seem to hit her. [:@][:@][:@]

rtrapasso -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 8:55:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: niceguy2005 quote: In one PBEM, O-19 put a pair of fish into Chitose (as a CS) This F#@$ing ship is the bane of my existence as an allied player. No, it actually doesn't do that much harm, but it always shows up in the DEI at the beginning of the game and NEVER gets hit...EVER. My Martins will sink merchies all around it but can't seem to hit her. [:@][:@][:@] Heh - looks like you got her sistership last turn in Threadwar, though!! [8D]

niceguy2005 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/4/2007 9:09:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rtrapasso quote: ORIGINAL: niceguy2005 quote: In one PBEM, O-19 put a pair of fish into Chitose (as a CS) This F#@$ing ship is the bane of my existence as an allied player. No, it actually doesn't do that much harm, but it always shows up in the DEI at the beginning of the game and NEVER gets hit...EVER. My Martins will sink merchies all around it but can't seem to hit her. [:@][:@][:@] Heh - looks like you got her sistership last turn in Threadwar, though!! [8D] Yeah, I was particularly happy about that. [sm=00000436.gif][sm=happy0005.gif][sm=happy0029.gif]

trojan58 -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/7/2007 2:13:35 AM)
8/12/1941 the day after pearl harbour ???????

ctangus -> RE: sub vs cv stories (12/7/2007 2:33:21 AM)
In one PBEM I had Searaven put a torp or two into Hiyo during a raid into the Indian Ocean. Hiyo sank about a week later. Much later in the game another sub helped finish off Junyo, though she had been previously damaged by a surprise port attack. In another PBEM RO-64 finished off Formidable after she was damaged during a carrier battle. I've also had several shots at CVs that either missed or were duds. I've never lost a CV to a sub though. I generally lose my CVs to commander incompetence. [:'(]

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