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Hortlund -> So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 10:40:46 AM)

I´ve seen this picture around in several places but have never heard of where it came from or how.

I´m thinking it came from some US propaganda film and is staged as there is a Japanese aircraft laying in the dirt. But then it looks like there is an explosion happening in the background so maybe it is the slide in a film of actual combat or something.

I know it looks cartoonish, but the picture quality could have been enhanced by an art studio, and the original image could be real. So Im of different opinions. A very interesting picture either way though.

Anyone know the history behind this picture?

[img]http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/asstd3/propaganda-us.jpg[/img]




Yava -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 11:41:05 AM)

As far as my knowledge is concerned since I have this one in my own collection it is just a propaganda postcard printed in 1942.




Charles2222 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 12:03:16 PM)

Just looks like a cheapo drawing to me. I don't know anybody would think that such a simple narrow drawing would have anything real behind it. I used to draw aerial war fights all the time in school, and I would certainly never do anthing as dim as placing two crashed enemy planes underneath the featured plane, and then not even show the featured plane firing it's guns.




Yava -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 12:38:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Just looks like a cheapo drawing to me. I don't know anybody would think that such a simple narrow drawing would have anything real behind it. I used to draw aerial war fights all the time in school, and I would certainly never do anthing as dim as placing two crashed enemy planes underneath the featured plane, and then not even show the featured plane firing it's guns.


In short... propaganda[;)]




Mike Scholl -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 1:01:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
Anyone know the history behind this picture?
[img]http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/asstd3/propaganda-us.jpg[/img]




A wicked sense-of-humor perhaps?




m10bob -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 2:09:54 PM)

Pzjgr Hortland has his tongue planted firmly in cheek.......[:D]




tocaff -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 2:12:49 PM)

You guys are really bad!  [:-]




Charles2222 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 2:59:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yava


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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Just looks like a cheapo drawing to me. I don't know anybody would think that such a simple narrow drawing would have anything real behind it. I used to draw aerial war fights all the time in school, and I would certainly never do anthing as dim as placing two crashed enemy planes underneath the featured plane, and then not even show the featured plane firing it's guns.


In short... propaganda[;)]


That is quite likely, but it's not even good propaganda given the aforementioned artistic notions.




Charles2222 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 3:00:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tocaff

You guys are really bad!  [:-]

I think we need that Jeanne Luc Picard photo again!




Yava -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 3:15:17 PM)

http://www.rubylane.com/shops/curioshop/item/col5259




goodboyladdie -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 4:28:46 PM)

[:D][:D]




Ian R -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 6:50:26 PM)

[;)]




mlees -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 9:14:32 PM)

It's probably staged.

I don't think a combat photographer is going to be standing underneath an aerial dogfight, with planes dropping on his head like autumn leaves.

Notice, too, that the scale of the aircraft change. (Compare the size of the aircraft in the lower left with the size of a similar plane crashing "further in the background".) Probably cropped together from different images.




Joe D. -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 9:18:45 PM)

This is something of a long shot, but during WW II, the Office of War Information (OWI) distributed info on the use of blackout curtains and the like, as well as propaganda films.

I doubt this post card came from a film, but if there was a similar blackout on the West Coast to the one later imposed on the East Coast, the post card may be suggesting that residents along the CA shoreline can help bring down the curtain on Imperial Japan --the "rising sun" -- by using blackout shades at night.

There was one occasion when an IJN sub shelled the the CA coast, and there were rumors of an IJ invasion of CA immediately after PH -- hence Japanese-American internment camps -- but I don't know if that's what this post card is referring to.

Anyone have an exact date for this post card, or is this just a take-off on Ike's photo?




Ike99 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 9:30:18 PM)

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Yava-As far as my knowledge is concerned since I have this one in my own collection it is just a propaganda postcard printed in 1942.


Well it´s good to see some people base their photographic evidence on historical records and not their opinions.

How about this picture...anyone want to tell me where this picture is from and when?



[image]local://upfiles/19240/9B9849C9CD3041DC825BC48AFDAABE9D.jpg[/image]




AW1Steve -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 10:26:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ike99

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Yava-As far as my knowledge is concerned since I have this one in my own collection it is just a propaganda postcard printed in 1942.


Well it´s good to see some people base their photographic evidence on historical records and not their opinions.

How about this picture...anyone want to tell me where this picture is from and when?



[image]local://upfiles/19240/9B9849C9CD3041DC825BC48AFDAABE9D.jpg[/image]

[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]




Mike Scholl -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 10:47:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



Don't have any proof, but I'm beginning to suspect IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He started out asking what seemed to be a straightforward question, but has since lead all discussion towards conflict and name-calling. Sounds like a "moron" to me....




Mike Scholl -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 10:50:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



While I have no real proof..., I'm beginning to suspect that IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He began with an innocent enough inquiry, but has since turned the post into an endless stream of antagonism and name-calling. That sounds very much like the typical "moron" effort.




AW1Steve -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 10:57:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



While I have no real proof..., I'm beginning to suspect that IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He began with an innocent enough inquiry, but has since turned the post into an endless stream of antagonism and name-calling. That sounds very much like the typical "moron" effort.


[:(]OK , thanks. That leads to a new question...Instead of "what does he want?" , the question now becomes "what do they want?" What exactly are "they" looking for? I know the moderator of that esteemed organization seems to be on a recruiting drive. But the rest? Damned if I can figure it out! [:(][&:]




Big B -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 11:11:13 PM)

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How about this picture...anyone want to tell me where this picture is from and when?

[image]local://upfiles/19240/9B9849C9CD3041DC825BC48AFDAABE9D.jpg[/image]

Sicily - 1943

Sgt Dorman USA poses next to an Italian WWI memorial.
Brolo, Sicily, Italy 14 Aug 1943




Mac67 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 11:22:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



While I have no real proof..., I'm beginning to suspect that IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He began with an innocent enough inquiry, but has since turned the post into an endless stream of antagonism and name-calling. That sounds very much like the typical "moron" effort.


[:(]OK , thanks. That leads to a new question...Instead of "what does he want?" , the question now becomes "what do they want?" What exactly are "they" looking for? I know the moderator of that esteemed organization seems to be on a recruiting drive. But the rest? Damned if I can figure it out! [:(][&:]


FFS! Here we go again with the Steakhouse Moron crap. Before you start throwing these allegations around, why dont you just go over there and check to see if there is a user posting under the name Ike. Its very easy to do, just go to the memberlist and do a search. You would have found that Ike is not a member of the steakhouse. In fact Ike was recently involved in a bust up with members from the steakhouse in the general discussion thread. I dont think he has many friends over there.

Steve you need to reign in the paranoia a bit mate. People at the steakhouse don't sit around all day thinking "hmm, how can we piss off the guys at Matrix today?".




AW1Steve -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/13/2007 11:33:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mac67


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



While I have no real proof..., I'm beginning to suspect that IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He began with an innocent enough inquiry, but has since turned the post into an endless stream of antagonism and name-calling. That sounds very much like the typical "moron" effort.


[:(]OK , thanks. That leads to a new question...Instead of "what does he want?" , the question now becomes "what do they want?" What exactly are "they" looking for? I know the moderator of that esteemed organization seems to be on a recruiting drive. But the rest? Damned if I can figure it out! [:(][&:]


FFS! Here we go again with the Steakhouse Moron crap. Before you start throwing these allegations around, why dont you just go over there and check to see if there is a user posting under the name Ike. Its very easy to do, just go to the memberlist and do a search. You would have found that Ike is not a member of the steakhouse. In fact Ike was recently involved in a bust up with members from the steakhouse in the general discussion thread. I dont think he has many friends over there.

Steve you need to reign in the paranoia a bit mate. People at the steakhouse don't sit around all day thinking "hmm, how can we piss off the guys at Matrix today?".


[:)]I'm glad to hear it. But the question was rhetorical. I'm not really paranoid. But I am curious why people bait other people on this site. And no one answers me. I've offered to talk to people one on one ,via e-mail , hell , I'll give them my phone number or meet them over a beer. No one answers. And that included the folks at the steakhouse. Doggie kindly invited me to join , but that still doesn't answer WHY? Surely there are more and easire ways to succeed at this. And if you want a good old fashion pissing contest , you guys at the steak house are both good at it and relish a good fight. You'd be better at it , with less restraints. So what is it that makes baiting the people on this forum such an attraction? That's the kind of question that makes consider chucking history as a career and taking up psychology. What's the real scoop Mac? You swim in both ponds--e-mail me the answer , would you?




bobogoboom -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 12:13:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



Don't have any proof, but I'm beginning to suspect IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He started out asking what seemed to be a straightforward question, but has since lead all discussion towards conflict and name-calling. Sounds like a "moron" to me....


No look at the falklands debate in the main forum. ike has managed to have both the steak house and the witp forum guys agree on something. and thats him.




bobogoboom -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 12:16:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mac67


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



While I have no real proof..., I'm beginning to suspect that IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He began with an innocent enough inquiry, but has since turned the post into an endless stream of antagonism and name-calling. That sounds very much like the typical "moron" effort.


[:(]OK , thanks. That leads to a new question...Instead of "what does he want?" , the question now becomes "what do they want?" What exactly are "they" looking for? I know the moderator of that esteemed organization seems to be on a recruiting drive. But the rest? Damned if I can figure it out! [:(][&:]


FFS! Here we go again with the Steakhouse Moron crap. Before you start throwing these allegations around, why dont you just go over there and check to see if there is a user posting under the name Ike. Its very easy to do, just go to the memberlist and do a search. You would have found that Ike is not a member of the steakhouse. In fact Ike was recently involved in a bust up with members from the steakhouse in the general discussion thread. I dont think he has many friends over there.

Steve you need to reign in the paranoia a bit mate. People at the steakhouse don't sit around all day thinking "hmm, how can we piss off the guys at Matrix today?".


He is not a steakhouse guy all the steak house guys crucified him during the argentina v uk falklands debate.




Mac67 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 1:12:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: Mac67


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl


quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
[:(]What exactly are you looking for from us Ike? I mean besides conflict. Are you legitimately looking for answers? Please tell me , before I waste anytime researching this one. [:(]



While I have no real proof..., I'm beginning to suspect that IKE is a "Steakhouse Moron". He began with an innocent enough inquiry, but has since turned the post into an endless stream of antagonism and name-calling. That sounds very much like the typical "moron" effort.


[:(]OK , thanks. That leads to a new question...Instead of "what does he want?" , the question now becomes "what do they want?" What exactly are "they" looking for? I know the moderator of that esteemed organization seems to be on a recruiting drive. But the rest? Damned if I can figure it out! [:(][&:]


FFS! Here we go again with the Steakhouse Moron crap. Before you start throwing these allegations around, why dont you just go over there and check to see if there is a user posting under the name Ike. Its very easy to do, just go to the memberlist and do a search. You would have found that Ike is not a member of the steakhouse. In fact Ike was recently involved in a bust up with members from the steakhouse in the general discussion thread. I dont think he has many friends over there.

Steve you need to reign in the paranoia a bit mate. People at the steakhouse don't sit around all day thinking "hmm, how can we piss off the guys at Matrix today?".


[:)]I'm glad to hear it. But the question was rhetorical. I'm not really paranoid. But I am curious why people bait other people on this site. And no one answers me. I've offered to talk to people one on one ,via e-mail , hell , I'll give them my phone number or meet them over a beer. No one answers. And that included the folks at the steakhouse. Doggie kindly invited me to join , but that still doesn't answer WHY? Surely there are more and easire ways to succeed at this. And if you want a good old fashion pissing contest , you guys at the steak house are both good at it and relish a good fight. You'd be better at it , with less restraints. So what is it that makes baiting the people on this forum such an attraction? That's the kind of question that makes consider chucking history as a career and taking up psychology. What's the real scoop Mac? You swim in both ponds--e-mail me the answer , would you?



You have a pm [;)]




mjk428 -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 1:17:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

[:)]I'm glad to hear it. But the question was rhetorical. I'm not really paranoid. But I am curious why people bait other people on this site. And no one answers me. I've offered to talk to people one on one ,via e-mail , hell , I'll give them my phone number or meet them over a beer. No one answers. And that included the folks at the steakhouse. Doggie kindly invited me to join , but that still doesn't answer WHY? Surely there are more and easire ways to succeed at this. And if you want a good old fashion pissing contest , you guys at the steak house are both good at it and relish a good fight. You'd be better at it , with less restraints. So what is it that makes baiting the people on this forum such an attraction? That's the kind of question that makes consider chucking history as a career and taking up psychology. What's the real scoop Mac? You swim in both ponds--e-mail me the answer , would you?



All you have to do is look at Mike Scholl's post for the answer.

For some strange reason some folks here think they're better than the folks at the Steakhouse. They seem ignorant of the fact that "the Steakhouse guys" were virtually all "Matrix guys" before there ever was a Steakhouse - and they're still Matrix guys for the most part. Steakhouse dwellers do tend to relish a good war of words. That's why nobody should be surprised when they respond in kind when they get called out. Don't want a fight with the Steakhouse then stop referring to the Steakhouse negatively.

We've all got the same right to be here at Matrix and virtually everyone is welcome at the Steakhouse. The whole squabble is ridiculous. Disparaging the Steakhouse is the equivalent of disparaging any subforum here at Matrix. How about we start calling "The Thread" participants idiots?

I stopped frequenting the Steakhouse awhile back but some of the crap I see here at Matrix really makes me want to sport one of those "Proud Steakhouse Moron" sigs.




JeffroK -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 1:25:29 AM)

problem is you have to identify those wanting to start a war of words from those who are ignorant (Chinese Lancasters) from those who honestly believe something and their use of English (being their 2nd/3rd language) makes them appear rude/ignorant.

I would also support the more frequent use of the sarcasm smiley   [:'(]  Just isnt big enough




bobogoboom -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 1:47:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mjk428
How about we start calling "The Thread" participants idiots?

I do all the time[:D]




AW1Steve -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 1:49:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mjk428


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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

[:)]I'm glad to hear it. But the question was rhetorical. I'm not really paranoid. But I am curious why people bait other people on this site. And no one answers me. I've offered to talk to people one on one ,via e-mail , hell , I'll give them my phone number or meet them over a beer. No one answers. And that included the folks at the steakhouse. Doggie kindly invited me to join , but that still doesn't answer WHY? Surely there are more and easire ways to succeed at this. And if you want a good old fashion pissing contest , you guys at the steak house are both good at it and relish a good fight. You'd be better at it , with less restraints. So what is it that makes baiting the people on this forum such an attraction? That's the kind of question that makes consider chucking history as a career and taking up psychology. What's the real scoop Mac? You swim in both ponds--e-mail me the answer , would you?



All you have to do is look at Mike Scholl's post for the answer.

For some strange reason some folks here think they're better than the folks at the Steakhouse. They seem ignorant of the fact that "the Steakhouse guys" were virtually all "Matrix guys" before there ever was a Steakhouse - and they're still Matrix guys for the most part. Steakhouse dwellers do tend to relish a good war of words. That's why nobody should be surprised when they respond in kind when they get called out. Don't want a fight with the Steakhouse then stop referring to the Steakhouse negatively.

We've all got the same right to be here at Matrix and virtually everyone is welcome at the Steakhouse. The whole squabble is ridiculous. Disparaging the Steakhouse is the equivalent of disparaging any subforum here at Matrix. How about we start calling "The Thread" participants idiots?

I stopped frequenting the Steakhouse awhile back but some of the crap I see here at Matrix really makes me want to sport one of those "Proud Steakhouse Moron" sigs.

[:)] Well , I for one am certainly willing to forgo calling MCS folks "morons". But you will have to forgive me for assuming that's the way they wanted to be identified. They call themselves that , they post themselfs that , and they have the I'm a Steakhouse M----- link. Surely I can be forgiven for thinking that this was a badge of honor and preference , like an infantryman calling himself a "grunt" , a submariner being a "bubblehead" or in my community , avation folks being called "airdales". Obviously I'm mistaken and apologies. But have any MCS folks ever objected , or told us their preferences? I've only subscribed to this forum since May of this year , and I don't recall see anything like that.

And I don't honestly think the people on this forum think that they are better than MCS, just different. At MCS , the discourse gets rough , course and and pretty wild. And from everything I've read over there , that's just the way they like it. Some of us , and I definatley mean me , don't care for that rough and tumble. So what? I know Doggie has a few veiws of that (he's expressed his opion pretty clearly at MCS) and that's his right. It's his rules , and when over there , you play by them. That's more than fair. And the folks here want something a little more structured and less wild. That's also fair.

So it strikes me , that the real problem is that MCS and the Matrix forumites don't talk , except to slag each other. That won't do. And any little &*()#$$% who wants to stir up trouble here or there has only to troll in the forum of one or the other to create a thread war. The way I see it , the only people who can do anything about it , are the "dual citizens" like yourselves who talk to and understand each side. Your comments here are a great start! I encourage you to jump in when someone crosses the line. In fact , I encourage everyone to jump in , on both sides , fairly. [:(]




AW1Steve -> RE: So what is the story of THIS picture? (12/14/2007 1:50:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bobogoboom

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ORIGINAL: mjk428
How about we start calling "The Thread" participants idiots?

I do all the time[:D]

[:D]Yeah , but that doesn't count. EVERYONE calls you an idiot. Idiot! [:D]




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