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Canoerebel -> Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/19/2008 7:20:41 AM)

The thread about "Worst Movies Ever" reminded me of some stupid or out of place things I've seen in movies, including:

1) Thin Red Line - this awful movie about the Battle of Guadalcanal in '42 features at least one modern naval ship (was that a frigate sailing around the island?)

2) Bourne Identity - you have to be a bird lover to notice this one, but part of the action takes place in France on a snowy winter day. Background noise includes an eastern wood pewee - a western hemishphere, warm-weather-only species. It would be like featuring a polar bear in Rat Patrol.

3) Where Eagles Dare - great movie, and I'm not actually sure about this one, but it includes a helicopter. Did the Gestapo (or anyone else for that matter) have helicopters during WWII?



Mobeer -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/19/2008 2:34:49 PM)

From "Momotarô: Umi no shinpei". In the middle of a battle, a British soldier calls out for a taxi.

This was a Japanese propaganda film made in 1945, and the creators had no English speakers available (at this point, they later coerce a POW). To get sounds of battle in English, they listened to old recordings in English and copied any sections that involved shouting, hence the call for a taxi.

I think it occurs 3:30 into thisYoutube clip.



JudgeDredd -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/19/2008 9:40:02 PM)

What about a Londoner in charge of the defence of Stalingrad (Enemy at the Gates)...His lack of even a smidgeon of an attempt at a Russian accent bowled me over.



Terminus -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/19/2008 9:51:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread about "Worst Movies Ever" reminded me of some stupid or out of place things I've seen in movies, including:

1) Thin Red Line - this awful movie about the Battle of Guadalcanal in '42 features at least one modern naval ship (was that a frigate sailing around the island?)

2) Bourne Identity - you have to be a bird lover to notice this one, but part of the action takes place in France on a snowy winter day. Background noise includes an eastern wood pewee - a western hemishphere, warm-weather-only species. It would be like featuring a polar bear in Rat Patrol.

3) Where Eagles Dare - great movie, and I'm not actually sure about this one, but it includes a helicopter. Did the Gestapo (or anyone else for that matter) have helicopters during WWII?



Well, the Germans DID fly a few helicopters before and during the war, but no Bell 47's...[:D]



Terminus -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/19/2008 9:52:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

What about a Londoner in charge of the defence of Stalingrad (Enemy at the Gates)...His lack of even a smidgeon of an attempt at a Russian accent bowled me over.


Well, it WAS Bob Hoskins... He couldn't lose his accent if he tried...[:D]



Doggie -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 9:10:52 AM)

Yes Hanna Reich did fly a twin rotor German helicopter indoors during an exhibition, but there were no helicopters on operational status with the Luftwaffe.

The American Army Air Corps did use the Sikorsky R-4 helicopter in Burma starting in 1944. 

Seen here in pre war markings:

[img]http://www.historicaircraft.org/Army-Air-Corps/images/Sikorsky-YR4.jpg[/img]



Ursa MAior -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 10:57:17 AM)

The Spruances in Pearl Harbor.

Edit
I mean the exploding Spruances 3 moored alongsided IIRC.



JudgeDredd -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 12:18:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread about "Worst Movies Ever" reminded me of some stupid or out of place things I've seen in movies, including:

1) Thin Red Line - this awful movie about the Battle of Guadalcanal in '42 features at least one modern naval ship (was that a frigate sailing around the island?)

2) Bourne Identity - you have to be a bird lover to notice this one, but part of the action takes place in France on a snowy winter day. Background noise includes an eastern wood pewee - a western hemishphere, warm-weather-only species. It would be like featuring a polar bear in Rat Patrol.

3) Where Eagles Dare - great movie, and I'm not actually sure about this one, but it includes a helicopter. Did the Gestapo (or anyone else for that matter) have helicopters during WWII?



Well, the Germans DID fly a few helicopters before and during the war, but no Bell 47's...[:D]

My bold....lol @ that...that takes watching a film into a whole new arena! Come one...someone seriously heard a bird on a film (a film about fighting and things exploding and crashing no less) and realised that bird make, model and it's natural habitat not being the one in the film!!! OMG!



Twotribes -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 1:39:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread about "Worst Movies Ever" reminded me of some stupid or out of place things I've seen in movies, including:

1) Thin Red Line - this awful movie about the Battle of Guadalcanal in '42 features at least one modern naval ship (was that a frigate sailing around the island?)

2) Bourne Identity - you have to be a bird lover to notice this one, but part of the action takes place in France on a snowy winter day. Background noise includes an eastern wood pewee - a western hemishphere, warm-weather-only species. It would be like featuring a polar bear in Rat Patrol.

3) Where Eagles Dare - great movie, and I'm not actually sure about this one, but it includes a helicopter. Did the Gestapo (or anyone else for that matter) have helicopters during WWII?



The Germans had a helicopter in WW2. Big ugly thing as I recall.



SemperAugustus -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 2:52:41 PM)

About 45 German Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri were produced between 1942 and 1945



Canoerebel -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 3:38:05 PM)


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My bold....lol @ that...that takes watching a film into a whole new arena! Come one...someone seriously heard a bird on a film (a film about fighting and things exploding and crashing no less) and realised that bird make, model and it's natural habitat not being the one in the film!!! OMG!
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It was one of many times I've had that experience - I've heard out of place bird calls in many movies and on radio programs and commercials. I don't think it's unusual, at least for birdwatchers, since birdwatching is such an auditory activity. Ornithologist Roger Tory Peterson noted that birdwatching is 90% auditory for experienced birders. Since bird "watching" is mostly bird "hearing," many birders notice the out of place calls.



JudgeDredd -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 4:01:16 PM)

Well I never...seriously. That is just the strangest thing...but in a good way. I would never have thought that anyone, in a million years, would've heard bird song in a movie and deduced the bird wasn't from that region!

But if it's 90% auditory, why is it called bird watching? Nevermind...just being "funny" [;)]

Anyway, that is a fact I know now...



Goblin -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 4:12:27 PM)

Out of place things in a movie?'

How about Windtalkers entire script? [:'(]



Mobius -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 11:03:39 PM)

There is the 3:10 to Yuma said to be 3-5 years after the Civil War and are using Winchester 1873 repeating rifles. Also railroad a Yuma and Yuma prison not completed until 1876.



Terminus -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/20/2008 11:20:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Goblin

Out of place things in a movie?'

How about Windtalkers entire script? [:'(]


Windtalkers had a script???



anarchyintheuk -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 5:55:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

What about a Londoner in charge of the defence of Stalingrad (Enemy at the Gates)...His lack of even a smidgeon of an attempt at a Russian accent bowled me over.


I appreciate it when an actor knows he can't do an accent and doesn't try. The opposite, of course, being Costner.



Toby42 -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 6:55:35 PM)

How about Robert Shaw playing George Custer!!! Especially in a perfectly rotten movie....



marcusm -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 6:59:47 PM)

Thin Red Line is not awful. It's in fact one of the few warmovies I can watch.
Nothing wrong with adding some brain into a movie ;). Apparently the pros(Oscar nominations) thought the same :).






Terminus -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 7:10:47 PM)

Brain? What "brain" was added to Thin Red Line? It was a piece of unalloyed garbage. Just awful.



marcusm -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 7:15:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Brain? What "brain" was added to Thin Red Line? It was a piece of unalloyed garbage. Just awful.


It made the viewer think. That explains the brain part(and why some might not like it).

And you are clearly in the minority.
User Rating on IMDB(43000 votes): 7.4/10.

An example of what I am talking about (written by someone who understands Cinema)

This film is three hours of movie poetry. "Saving Private Ryan," though brilliantly made, is a jingoistic cartoon by comparison. "Thin Red Line" follows a company of American rifleman brought in to consolidate the Allied grip on the Pacific island of Guadalcanal in 1942 in the face of Japanese invasion, but the place could be just about anywhere where war is fought.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120863/

Personally I think people who get hung up on stuff like "modern ships" should stick to watching documentaries. A movie should tell a story as well as it can. If it means using modern ships then that what it takes. Better a modern ship than some crap CGI like Pearl Harbor. Even so, Thin Red Line is probably THE most accurate description of a single operation ever made, nevermind the poetic sections, they are there to add content. No sane person could watch the movie otherwise.

Compare this with Tali Ihantala. A recent war movie that tried the "orgy in equipment detail" approach. Got totally slammed by newspaper reviews (1/5 in Metro here). Shows that without any real content wont be helped by accurate equipment usage.



Terminus -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 7:42:12 PM)

Thin Red Line is bloody awful. And so is Saving Private Ryan, BTW.

Oh, and don't be snide and patronizing. Judging by your knee jerk cut and paste from IMDB, you don't have the gravitas...[8|]



marcusm -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 7:45:32 PM)

It is your personal opinion.

Don't make comments like it was some kind of undisputable fact when it clearly isn't.
IMDB shows that you are DE FACTO wrong in your statement (and the others who claimed it was "worst movie ever").

Btw. The movie is based on actual events as experienced by the protagonist, how can a it be more realistic?



Canoerebel -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 8:58:49 PM)

Thin Red Line stunk.  The folks out there who liked it are probably the same ones that enjoyed Dancing with Wolves and Cold Mountain.  Drivel.



marcusm -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 9:40:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Thin Red Line stunk. The folks out there who liked it are probably the same ones that enjoyed Dancing with Wolves and Cold Mountain. Drivel.


Or. It appealed to people who want some depht in their movies, ie those who doesn't regard Jean Claude Van Damne the high point of acting.

Like people with actual knowledge about movies, such as the Oscars Jury consisting of
actual movie directors and such strange people. Dances with Wolves(the actual title) won 7 Oscars AND has an average rating of 7.9 (40k votes). That means both the experts AND the audience likes it.

Doesn't mean I always agree with the experts, I actually liked The Postman. It is my personal opinion though and shouldn't be part of any kind of professional analysis on Movies.




ezzler -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 9:45:25 PM)

Thin red line ..Somehow I missed all those poetic sections under the complete garbage that was the rest of the movie.
I would rather watch pearl harbour again than sit through another 20 mins of that. A least the nurse was Hot.





marcusm -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 9:49:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ezz
Thin red line ..Somehow I missed all those poetic sections under the complete garbage that was the rest of the movie.
I would rather watch pearl harbour again than sit through another 20 mins of that. A least the nurse was Hot.


Well why not watch Pearl Harbor again then? Obviously hot nurses is what qualifies a good movie in your book. I think I prefer a script written for those with 70+ IQ.

This is the sad state of todays youth. What can you do?



Ursa MAior -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 9:51:53 PM)

Yep. Thin Red line was a bit too slow at times, but I liked it. And definitelly liked the Postman. Right amount of intelligent patriotism, with a genius villain (ex photocopier salesman BTW IIRC) OK Kevin Costner is not like Sean Connery or Harrison Ford but he has moments. And I liked Tom Petty in it.

Edit
Talking of out of place equipment in movies and Costner well the quad M2 brownings and the oar driven Exxon Valdez were completely out of place in Waterworld.



marcusm -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 9:56:09 PM)

What I can't understand is why some complain about a modern ship being used(like there are millions of ww2 ships around), yet they complain about lack of action and too much waiting etc. Hey, this is how real war is. It's not like the Van Damne flics, I promise. It's 90% waiting and 5% hell. Maybe rest is marching ;).

Yet it does what many other war movies fail to do, it actually tells what goes through the mind of one single soldier(it is based on actual events for those "realism experts". Most people do not want to see the accurate depiction of King Tigers, they want a story, a reason to pay for that ticket. Showing correct amount of Ball Bearings in a tank doesn't do it for most people. That is a fact.



andym -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 10:18:19 PM)

At risk of being ON topic...........The Singing of "Men Of Harlech" in Zulu,it wasnt written untill well after the Battle!



Arctic Blast -> RE: Goofy Out of Place Things in Movies (1/21/2008 11:22:00 PM)

Was Thin Red Line completely awful? No. however, it was in serious need of an editor and a script cleanup, because it kept meandering all over the damn place a little too often. It came off as a very smug piece of a film, with the director/write basically smirking and telling everyone "Look upon my self proclaimed masterpiece!"

Windtalkers on the other hand...wow. Not even some additions of typical John Woo material (slo-mo and doves) could have salvaged that. [:D]



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