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tcart -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (4/14/2008 6:22:13 AM)

Japan Spring 41

Congrats to our German allies for a devastating first punch against the Russians.

Japan gears up for a similar blow versus the Chinese. Unfortunately, the odds were not good this turn so reinforcements were brought up while another Chinese factory went up in smoke.

I'll go get hypersnap this week. I promise.



rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (4/15/2008 12:52:55 AM)

Sp41 USSR+China

Certainly german troops are no longer in our borders since those no longer exist [:@]
Nothing much I could do this turn but regroup my forces and gain time, a huge (5 units) concentration of Fallschirmjager was localized in Kharkov and the stavka decided that the best way to prevent an airborne assault was to neutralize those Ju-52 resulting in two heavy bomber units damaged for one on our side, all in all a great succes.
Rostov has been reinforced orders are to stand by all means, no further gains by the fascist are to be seen in our Motherland.
The southern LL route was open when Murmansk was evacuated.

In China the japanese have concentrated their army in Liuchow, over 27 units based there, next turn they will for sure start marching, but will they head for India, China or the DEI?

Some info for our WA allies, a figher unit is based in Greece, N Italy has four militias 1 TF and 1 sub.

Turn over to a511

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a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (4/15/2008 6:51:11 PM)

Sp41 WA

the GER is doing a great job in attacking the RUS and defending the atlantic wall ... the WA agent found 7 brand new Me109s units in W_GER [X(] are they going for Sealion in late 41?? 

in the Med, the RN swordfish managed to damanged the vet GER CAG and sunk the italian tranny [:D]
most importantly, WA remember to LL RUS.

turn to GER

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (4/23/2008 8:15:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: a511

the GER is doing a great job in attacking the RUS and defending the atlantic wall ... the WA agent found 7 brand new Me109s units in W_GER [X(] are they going for Sealion in late 41?? 



Summer 1941:

Germany:

The Atlantic Wall is reinforced with ART and AA as the Luftwaffe is transferred to protect its bombers in Russia and to contain the RAF threat in the Med. The extended range of the British fighters makes doing CAP over France a risky business.

The Russian MIL mobilization did requires some attention while still our Panzers did spearhead near Moscow. The troops encircled in Bellarussia are destroyed. The Crimean peninsula is also cleared of it's ART defense.

Meanwhile our bombers destroyed Gorki's factory and damaged Stalingrad one. Till now it's 4 factories captured, 1 destroyed and 2 damaged.

Attacking Russia in 1941 while containing the British is a tricky task.

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rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (5/5/2008 5:22:01 PM)

Will post my comments later [;)], good thing we have the "load in view mode" feature [8D]

Edit: Summer 41 USSR & China

The ruskies withdraw all their forces concentrating them in an effort to stop the teutons, the front is brittle and could break meaning the end of the USSR. The fritz have different options to launch their attacks. This turn the red airforce failed miserably while attacking the luftwaffe from 3 hits estimate none where scored and we suffered on HB damaged

China is about to collapse, an attempt to take foochow failed miserably. Chances were some 56% and cassualties too high to bear

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a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (5/5/2008 6:18:42 PM)

the undefended Sicily has fallen, more will follow soon ...

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (5/9/2008 8:44:47 AM)

Fall 1941:

Germany:

We prefer to loose Sicily than to see the British invading the continent.

The luftwaffe is redeployed to defend Italy and our Me109 are upgrade into FW190. That should help a bit. Greece received some reinforcements as well. The Central Med will be a hell of a place soon.

We will loose a transport in the process but at least we get the resources from North Africa. Good trade all in all at this stage for Italy.

Rostov was probed first but the low probability (around 60%) pushed us to divert our bombers from pounding Russian factories into destroying the rail lines and good for us as the probability of success did climb to about 90%. This is a nice victory before Winter.

Our UBoats are hunting in the Atlantic with some success.

Hopefully this turn as well our Atlantic Wall will prove impenetrable.

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rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (5/18/2008 1:36:33 AM)

Fa 41 USSR+China

The Soviets are licking their wounds after the lose of Rostov.
The KGB passes some info to our WA
We're waiting for General Winter to come and save us, if he doesn't we might be[sm=fighting0043.gif]
Loses were too damn high specially the arty units.

As with China nothing that could be done, no supplies available and the only active Factory was damaged again.

Pic shows the situation in Russia and Germany's production line.

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a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (5/20/2008 7:27:14 AM)

WA - Fa 41

To help my fellow allies, WA has put all available military units to surprise the axis ... hope that the fall of Yugo can ease the eastern front.

a511



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rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (5/20/2008 4:21:45 PM)

Hurray Anthony [&o][&o]

History repeats itself, a511 has done it again [8D], but even sooner Fa41 is much better than winter 43.

Watch post #83 http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1391865&mpage=3&key=




Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/1/2008 4:03:46 PM)


Winter 1941:

Germany:

Indeed nasty surprise. I should have send 1 ART in Yugoslavia just in case but then there is still Albania to defend which would have in a lesser way still bring the relief Russia needed.

Not to diminish the merit of Anthony of a great move I believe this is the great weakness of AWD that it's so easy for the British to gather strong land forces and invade Europe once Barbarossa is on. Historically this is a non-sense as till 1942 the British was painfully fighting Rommel in the Desert whose strength was 2 Panzers Division and some support. Also the Tyrhenian Sea was heavily mined rendering such large invasion very dangerous. At last Yugoslavia as no infrastructure decent enough to supply such a number of troops. There is a reason why it was Operation Torch first, Sicily after, then Italy and Normandy only when the invasion forces were large enough. I think the game should have the landing rules revised as being cost 5 per unit to invade times 2 for Tanks then times the number of sea zones crossed. Meaning 1 INF to land at 3 sea zones distance would cost 15 invasion points. At last the transport points of the fleet should be reduced proportionaly. If 15 on 20 pts of invasion are used then 75% of the transport capacity of those transports is used at the same time. It would render distant invasion harder without impeding short one too much and push the need to have a large transport fleet for the Allied. Now this might give some unbalance for Russia to be attended in a different way. More manpower on first turns of the invasion?

Anyway Germany regroup in Kharkov and sending reinforcements in Rumania, Hungary and Austria.

Italy will surely surrender but the Para did land behing Gorki destroying a factory in the process.



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rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/11/2008 12:01:16 AM)

USSR+China Wi42

The soviets ordered some attacks but besides destroying those anoying paratroops nothing was achieved but loses, and attack on Belorrusia with over 70% chance failed miserably inflicting only two hits on the germans(out of 5 predicted), cassualties on our side were heavier[:@]

Despite the USSR desperate situation they managed to send some badly needed supplies to our Chinese brothers in arms, no japanese bombers are in sight so let's pray some production can be done.

The NKVD was able to steal Speer's production plans (Fritz Todt former armaments ministry has died misteriously in a plane crash [:D], Beria's agents did a good job) and now are sharing them with our western allies. Note how many HB Germany plans to build, worrisome [X(]



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a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/11/2008 6:18:28 PM)

Wi42 WA

as expected, italy surrendered. but the rest of europe is heavily defended.

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/14/2008 4:11:42 PM)


Spring 1942:

Germany:

Instead of pushing another Spring offensive into Russia's heart we are dealing with the British problem in Italy.

Greece is reoccupied and our Luftwaffe is having fun sinking some trannies all around and our UBoats are not sleeping either making 4 transports sunk and 2 damaged. The Whermacht is ready to pushing into Northern Italy next turn.

Germany is not going to win this war but we have not yet said our last word.

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rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/18/2008 12:41:10 AM)

USSR + China Sp42

Lack of supplies prevents moving soviet armies forward, if the Brits can hold the krauts from retaking Italy, the russian steamroller will gain enough steam to start moving [:(]

The Chinese keep building supplies.

Trun sent to a511



a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/20/2008 8:45:43 PM)

Sp 42 WA

GER's build up in Austria is so huge that the Royal Expedition Force has to make a strategic deployment to hold the southern italy. taking italy in early 42 doesnt mean WA can go all the way to Berlin ...

turn to GER.

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/21/2008 2:14:55 PM)


Summer 1942:

Germany:

To our valiant British foe I must say it was a bit the idea. Was hoping in a weird sense that they would invade Southern France but I guess having the US entering the war sooner is worth some sacrifice.

In the meantime of course her majesty expedition achieved what they wanted, Russia is safe.

Nonetheless our UBoats were impressive this turn with just our Elite unit damaged for 3 transports destroyed. A Luftwaffe attack on Londond did destroy another one while cleaning the RAF a bit and in the Med our HVY bombers had fun destroyed 4 more transports without a scratch suffered. The Bismarck finaly had a chance to do what it was build for and sunk a last transport.

If the US doesn't enter the war next turn the lifting capacity of the British navy is seriously reduced.

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rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (6/27/2008 10:03:06 AM)

Out of town until july 18th.
Bty this is going real slow [:(]



rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/19/2008 9:50:39 AM)

Hi guys I'm back from the beach all suntan [8D]

Su42 USSR + China

The Krauts have gone west to retake the Balkans and the italic peninsula, they have almost finished so Stavka expects them back for the fall or winter at the latest. This has given us a breath to recover, nonentheless they have left some mobile forces in Leningrad and Kiev which pose a thread to all fronts wher will they strike is the question now or will they just sit and react, don't think so.

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As to the Chinese theater the soviets keep sending supplies so they can rebuild their factories and army. Hopefully Japan will start hostilities any moment now against the WA and divert their forces from China. They seem to have set their aims at the DEI and Australia all flattops are in southern Philippines and Indochina, no PH attack. Most probably they're waiting for the US to declare war on them so the US don't get the war readiness boost [:@], if not the a511 should be ready to replace all TF he's going to lose in the first nipon attack.

[image]http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1782/chinasu42nk4.jpg[/image]


Turn sent to a511
Finally learnt how to embed more than one screenshot [8D]



a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/19/2008 7:17:38 PM)

WA Su42

agree that there will be no PH attack ... only aim at sinking the WA trannies.
in the west, the Ger is gathering a huge force in Western France (including 2TBs and 2HBs within range), sealion in Fa42?!?!

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/21/2008 12:46:02 PM)


Fall 1942:

Germany:

The force gathered in Western France was indeed to entice the Brits to defend London just in case. Unfortunately some air raid against the German navy doesn't allow me to threaten Scotland anymore [:(]

In the Med we were hoping for some chance to strike a mighty blow [&o] and we get our wish [:D]

Sicily was weakly defended and with all the airforce around we attacked in the hope to kill the MIL and then launch a para invasion against the surviving troops. Instead our bombers damaged the INF and the MIL was unable to push back our Falschimjaggers. Sicily is reclaimed which left no retreat space for the BEC in Italy. Blowing the rail line ensured a strong attack with combined arms to 85%+ chance of success. The Brits went back swimming to Malta [8|]

In the Atlantic our HVY Bombers managed to damaged a HVY Fleet leaving 2 LGT Fleet at the mercy of the Bismarck & Tirpitz. Funny enough the survivor retreat next to Western France at the delighted surprise of our CAGS which blow that last LGT Fleet and the Transport.

Our 2 surviving subs did a concerted attack against a transport around Scotland and ended up destroying a HVY fleet. Nice result but with the US close to war entry it doesn't matter really.

The destruction of the BEC is a great success but the cost of loosing all the Balkans ressources and Italy troops and factories is too heavy for Germany to contemplate a favourable outcome of this war. Well at least now we can refocus some attention against our Russian foe.

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a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/21/2008 3:44:31 PM)

ouch!! but at least the WA buy some time and space for the Red Army to kick the GERs out of Kiev ...

a511



rjh1971 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/21/2008 4:15:23 PM)

Chapeau Phil [&o][&o][&o], only thing I don't like this kind of events happening to our side (rjh&a511) [:@] [X(] I enjoyed it more when a511 took yugoslavia [:D]

Well these things is what make this game so great [8D]



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/25/2008 6:28:08 AM)


Yugoslavia was a disaster. Anthony saw the weak point and jump at the opportunity. My bad as I did think of putting a ART in Yugoslavia for defense but then wrongly estimated my airforce in Southern Italy would be strong enough.

With Yugoslavia to repair, Albania, Greece, Italy (all of it) it's a lot of Production lost and that pay back you guys more than the Brits losses.

Russia is now safe but hope I can still give it back a fair fight.

US is knocking at the door and in a few turns the Allies will be stronger than ever. Already the number of fighters is not a good news for me so I can expect HVY bombing soon.

Difficult to build the right combination of troops for the German and win by 1942 and Japan is not strong enough to be more than a sideshow. Still a dangerous one but without Germany, Japan end is just a question of time.



a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/28/2008 3:08:45 AM)

Underestimating GER's determination to drive the Royal army to the sea was a disaster to WA ...
Had thought that the GER would deploy some of its North Italy corp to defend Kiev ... hope RJH can take the opportunity to regain Kiev and go all the way to Berlin!!

Good game (but a really slow game as well [:(])

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/28/2008 4:39:33 AM)


Kiev is free of troops so it shouldn't be much of a problem to be retaken by Russia this turn. Next turn will be more scary [:(]

After the disaster of Yugoslavia I know I was going to have to make a choice. I could have striked at Russia a very risky blow that could have led to crippling Russia if successfull or to a disaster in the East if not. With the Allied in Yugoslavia it meant loosing Italy, maybe Rumania, Greece and maybe a push against Austria which I would have to counter with troops from France and therefore loose France. You can imagine at that point it was endgame for Germany. Another option was to try to defend both side... but it seems a good defense is to go to the offensive so that left me with switching all my strength against the Wallies. I was hoping at that point to force your troops to evacuate and then get back to Russia but each turn you stayed it still forced me to keep pushing or it would have been for nothing.

Now Russia is safe and I just got a nice delay in the West but think my fate is still sealed.

Leaving Italy to defend Kiev would have made my counterattack for nothing leaving the Allies with a foot on the continent. When you start something it's best to try to finish the job.

Looking back at the game I have 2 regrets:

1/ To have build those 10 more fighters instead of 10 ART which would have done the job to keep the British at bay and have some more troops in the East.

2/ Not to have asked Japan to attack Russia as the swift advance of the German armies didn't leave much for Russia to defend against Japan.

Lessons learned for the next game... if only the pace of this tourny would be a bit faster [&o]



a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/28/2008 5:32:28 AM)

Speaking of your 2 "so-called" regrets:

1) while that 10 ART would probably prevent my "victory of Yugoslavia", the 10 extra Me-109s (and the 2 extra trannies) did force WA to spend the limited manpower to build a lot more spitfires to prevent a possible Sealion and not more infantry to reinforce the Med. and the extra Me-109s also made the WA a lot more difficult to defend the GER's convey attacks, and

2) if GER did ask JP to attack RUS, US should have DOW long ago and that would probably prevent the "disaster of Southern Italy" and the WA should march straight to Berlin in '44 ...

so imo, they are not really regrets.

the beauty of this game is it allows so many different outcomes and counter measures possibilities ...

P.S. Hey Polonthi, want to play 1-on-1 with me (with u as Axis and me as Allies) to regret some more [;)]?

a511



Petiloup -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/29/2008 9:40:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: a511

Speaking of your 2 "so-called" regrets:

1) while that 10 ART would probably prevent my "victory of Yugoslavia", the 10 extra Me-109s (and the 2 extra trannies) did force WA to spend the limited manpower to build a lot more spitfires to prevent a possible Sealion and not more infantry to reinforce the Med. and the extra Me-109s also made the WA a lot more difficult to defend the GER's convey attacks, and


True but at the end I lost on the West and East front. While I think Germany needs to win or at least cripple one foe on the West or East front to be able to outlive the end date of the game.

quote:


2) if GER did ask JP to attack RUS, US should have DOW long ago and that would probably prevent the "disaster of Southern Italy" and the WA should march straight to Berlin in '44 ...


This where the 10 ART intervene to prevent Yugoslavia and therefore no need of a crusade in Italy. 2 or 3 more turns of rampaging against Russia with Germany could have won the day and with Japan Russia would have been gone. True enough the US would be in the war now but without an Eastern front it's altogether another story.

As you say the beauty of the game is that you don't know what will work or not in advance but definitely I know what doesn't work: "To get a British beachead in Europe early in the game" [:(][:(][:(]



Lucky1 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/29/2008 9:59:47 AM)

Interesting AAR. I have never attempted / received amphib assault on Yugo. If there are arty or air in South Italy, do these perform interdiction? How 'bout Greece.

Keep up interesting game.

Cheers,

Sean



a511 -> RE: Rnd 3 2 vs 2: Polonthi/Tica vs Rjh1971/A511 (7/29/2008 10:02:51 AM)

quote:

While I think Germany needs to win or at least cripple one foe on the West or East front to be able to outlive the end date of the game.


agree that if GER can cripple RUS, GER is likely to outlive the end date (if not already AV in '43). however, i doubt the effect of a successful sealion but a late barbarossa.

quote:

As you say the beauty of the game is that you don't know what will work or not in advance but definitely I know what doesn't work: "To get a British beachead in Europe early in the game" [:(][:(][:(]


haha, well said!!



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