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VICIOUSCIRCLE -> Jerky video (3/16/2008 7:31:45 PM)

First off, I finally found the time to update my copy t0 2.1 and it rocks. I have just started to plat with it and I'm experiencing some jerky video. My PC is a P4 - 2.8Ghz processor with 1 GB or ram and I have a Radeon 9200 128MB video card. Any ideas out there?



garysorrell -> RE: Jerky video (3/16/2008 8:02:59 PM)

Thats a fairly beefy system, should run Max well. If there is a weak spot, it might be the video card. But im not familiar with Radeon so it may be just fine. I had an Nvidia 256meg Geforce and it couldnt handle Max 2.0, it was a PCI card and was lacking the shader support.

Is the Radeon a PCI, AGP or PCIe?

A good process to follow is to do a clean install of 2.0 and 2.18, ensure all the video card drivers are up to date. Make sure to allow Max to do it's DirectX thing during install.

If it isnt drivers or a bad install, it could just be that you need a boost in your hardware.
*Bump up your ram to 1.5gig or if possible 2 gig
*If you have an AGP or PCIe slot, get a new video card. I bought my current one for $100, PCIe Nvidia 512meg 7600

Before you do anything though, go here and follow the instructions and post a DXDiag file for David to look at. He might spot something
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1077033




VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/16/2008 11:20:29 PM)

It's a PCI card, I could bump up the ram, any other thoughts out there?



David Winter -> RE: Jerky video (3/16/2008 11:26:44 PM)

Hi.

I have a few questions that might help me point you in the right direction.

- What exactly do you mean by 'jerky video'?

- Is this a Vista or XP machine? (if on vista you might just need to play the game at a lower screen resolution).

- What other software is running? (please include all virus/spyware software on that list)


thanks
David



Marauders -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 12:50:17 AM)

If, by jerky video, you mean low frame rates, then you may need to set the game to lower resolution or turn down the shadows.

Have you checked the frame rate?



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 2:44:26 AM)

What I mean by jerky video is it's playing and looking great with no warnings but it's not 100 % smooth. Little triangle pieces of turf show through players arms etc.

It is an XP machine, and when I get back home I'll get you the list of what is all running in the background.


And thanks again David.



David Winter -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 3:56:40 AM)

You might just want to lower the player detail, and turn the shadows down a notch. You might also want to ensure your video card drivers are up todate as well.

thanks
David



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 4:56:22 AM)

David,
        Would a different video card & more ram work better?



David Winter -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 5:41:35 AM)

Well I can't be sure, but it looks like the Radeon 9200 was a card designed for DirectX 8.1. As the game is designed around DirectX 9c, it's possible that the card is having difficulty with the new graphics.

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon9200/

Their webpage says it supports "smart shaders" but I don't know how that translates into DirectX shaders. But if it's only DX8.1 support, I'm pretty sure it doesn't support the same shader technology I use in game.

1Gig RAM should be fine if you're running XP.



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 6:21:27 AM)

Thanks a bunch David, I was pretty sure it was the video card but I thought I would ask folks more in the know. Once again I love the look of the new game ... so much better. I will still send you the programs that are running in the background. 



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 6:37:32 AM)

David,
        Would this card do?
BFG GeForce 7300 GT 512MB PCI-Express Video Card





VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 7:27:12 AM)

David,
        here's a link to the screen capture I did with all that is running on the machine.


members.shaw.ca/viciouscircle/Background.htm




Marauders -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 9:15:33 AM)

quote:

I have a Radeon 9200 128MB video card.


This most certainly is part of the problem.

The Radeon 9200 did not run DirectX 9.0 in hardware, so it throws that task to the CPU.  With Maximum Football 2.x, there are advanced shaders and bump maps that the 9200 cannot handle without help.  It also was not quite as fast as the nVidia GeForce FX 5200 which I would no longer recommend for Maximum Football.

quote:

Would this card do?

BFG GeForce 7300 GT 512MB PCI-Express Video Card


If the machine is running a Radeon 9200, it likely has an AGP bus, so any PCIe card will not work.

A GeForce 7300 GT or 7600 GS will work fine, but AGP boards will be the only option, and they cost a bit more for the same firepower than PCIe cards at this time.  A Radeon X1650 should also work quite well for your needs.



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 8:13:48 PM)

I'm looking at the following card

Sapphire Radeon HD2600 Pro 512MB DDR2 AGP VGA DVI TV Out DIRECTX10 Video Card

Thoughts??



Marauders -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 9:22:42 PM)

quote:

Sapphire Radeon HD2600 Pro 512MB DDR2 AGP VGA DVI TV Out DIRECTX10 Video Card


That should work well.

On a side note, many graphics cards under $200 that can do DirectX 10 cannot do DirectX 10 worth a darn.



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/17/2008 9:29:15 PM)

I just need a card that allows me to play freely right now, I will be getting a gaming laptop sometime in the future for this game but that may be a year or 2 off so in the meantime.

Thanks for your help, but if I may ask would this card be any better?

BFG Geoforce 7600GS 420Mhz AGP8x 512MB DDR2 VGA DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card




Marauders -> RE: Jerky video (3/18/2008 12:16:01 AM)

The 7600GS is slower on many games than the HD2600.  The 7300GT is slower yet.

A good X1650 would do well though.  Those are about $70.




VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/18/2008 12:26:18 AM)

Thank you all so very much, man are you all so cool and helpful.



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/18/2008 1:11:31 AM)

So I can get both cards obviously one is more expensive than the other, any preferences not based on price?

HD2600
or
X1650

And in advance I thank you all for your help and guidance.



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/22/2008 12:51:36 AM)

OK here's my new snag i need a AGP Video Card that is +0.8V/+1.5V any recomendations????



garysorrell -> RE: Jerky video (3/22/2008 2:05:51 AM)

Here is a nice one, plenty of others on the Tiger Direct site

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3101646&CatId=933



redwolf1 -> RE: Jerky video (3/22/2008 2:19:41 AM)

My last AGP card was a Radeon X1650 Pro - and it served me well till I migrated to a PCI-E motherboard.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2687691&CatId=318


(P.S. Mind you, mine was made by Sapphire, and not HIS, and it seems as those HIS cards are perhaps not as good as Sapphire).



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/22/2008 6:22:42 AM)

Thanks gents but I bought an X1650 and it wont work because it's not +0.8V/+1.5V, the newer cards have different slots and the 1550 won't work either but thanks. I'm believe i'm looking at an X1050 and that's about it.



Marauders -> RE: Jerky video (3/22/2008 8:56:49 AM)

quote:

Thanks gents but I bought an X1650 and it wont work because it's not +0.8V/+1.5V, the newer cards have different slots and the 1550 won't work either but thanks. I'm believe i'm looking at an X1050 and that's about it.


Is it AGP 4X only?

How much cash do you have to spend total?

By the way, how many watts is your power supply?



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/23/2008 12:25:14 AM)

No it's AGP 4X/8X, I have returned the X1650 and purchased the X1050 and it works perfectly. I had a 250W power supply and now I have a 500W.



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/23/2008 12:28:21 AM)

I want to thank you all for your time and patience with me on this.



garysorrell -> RE: Jerky video (3/23/2008 12:38:36 AM)

I upgraded my power supply recently also. 500W is nice to have.

How is the game running?



VICIOUSCIRCLE -> RE: Jerky video (3/23/2008 1:11:07 AM)

It's running great right now, but again I just gotit all back together and running today!!! I will begin playing lots now and test as I build my league. Thanks for asking.



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