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MrRoadrunner -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/8/2008 12:42:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

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ORIGINAL: PDiFolco

Sorry Jason
I still didn't get the catch : if I want to create some unit, say the new PzVII tank [;)], I can do it (in the data file), but not use/play it ? And I have to request that *you* encrypt it to have an usable file ?? How are we supposed to manage mods this way, it's ... prehistoric ! [:@]
Why not just make an official, untouchable, 256-bit encrypted [:'(] data file for use in secure pbem, and let ppl do what they want with their data/mods, but pbem-forbidden (or knowing that it's not secure) ? Is that really hard (it's not like it was a new idea...) ?
And beware of your "secret encryptor", I'm inclined to think it'll be broken in no time and you'll be back to start line again.




You'll be happy to know the PzVII is included with 1.03.

Additionally, there will be a wishlist for new units that will be taken under consideration for future UPDATES.

Jason Petho




Bringing in a German tank that was only on the drawing board and historically dropped in favor of developing the Maus, sound a bit like adding fantasy to CS? [&:] Most sources I checked do not have enough "factual" information on armor thickness and what main gun was to be used, to warrant enough data to present it, except in the hopes of what it might have been.
This opens up designers to create scenarios that will be more like Starship Troopers than CS. IMHO, of course! [;)]
Can I find fanciful Brit, Soviet, and American armor so that we may have a counter for these beasties? [8|]




Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/8/2008 4:07:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner
This opens up designers to create scenarios that will be more like Starship Troopers than CS. IMHO, of course! [;)]


Did I mention they can teleport? Sahweeeet!

Keep in mind, I am referring to the Panther II, not the monster I think you are talking about.

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner
Can I find fanciful Brit, Soviet, and American armor so that we may have a counter for these beasties? [8|]


By all means, you can add them to the unit request list when it becomes available.

As the OOB's have been expanded to 1953, there are a number of new units that will be available in the org editor. Take a moment to look through them and see what's new, what's available.

For the 1.04 UPDATE, I intend on tackling the British, French and Japanese Order of Battles.

Jason Petho





Hermann -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 4:39:19 AM)

Let's see how you do with the German first - Remember all this OOB stuff really needs to take a backseat to the game mechanics -



Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 5:15:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hermann

Let's see how you do with the German first - Remember all this OOB stuff really needs to take a backseat to the game mechanics -


Game mechanics are beyond my abilities.

Jason Petho



kg_1007 -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 5:49:09 AM)

"game mechanics" seem to work fine anyway. Jason, I know you probably get this a lot, but is this taking them an inordinately long time to release the update? Or is this fairly normal? I am holding up on the final touches of my scenario to include some things such as engineers in the oob, but it seems to be taking an incredible amount of time. If it is normal, I can wait, but if it is a s ignal there is a problem with the release, I will just go ahead with current version.
Thanks
~kyle



Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 6:14:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kg_1007

"game mechanics" seem to work fine anyway. Jason, I know you probably get this a lot, but is this taking them an inordinately long time to release the update? Or is this fairly normal? I am holding up on the final touches of my scenario to include some things such as engineers in the oob, but it seems to be taking an incredible amount of time. If it is normal, I can wait, but if it is a s ignal there is a problem with the release, I will just go ahead with current version.
Thanks
~kyle


We have never had to have the manual go through the reformat/edit phase that is it is going through now. While I did sign off on it earlier this week, after going back and forth a few times, I am under the impression the manual is in the final stage of being complete. Once I get it, the 1.03 UPDATE will be compiled, a quick test to ensure the installer is working and then released to the public.

I refuse to give a timeline, as it seems I tend to be wrong anyway.

I am hoping it is within the next week or two though.

Jason Petho




kg_1007 -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 6:33:12 AM)

Ah, thank you. I can wait as long as there is no problem, no big deal. I am having a lot of fun tinkering with stuff anyway.



berto -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 9:10:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho
Game mechanics are beyond my abilities.

Are you currently the only maintainer of the JTCS code?

Do you have access to all source code (I imagine you do)?

What computer language is JTCS written in?

If you yourself don't do deep coding, what are the prospects of expanding the maintenance/development team in future?

If one wanted to join the team, how would one go about it?



Temple -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 3:40:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

We have never had to have the manual go through the reformat/edit phase that is it is going through now. While I did sign off on it earlier this week, after going back and forth a few times, I am under the impression the manual is in the final stage of being complete.


Happy to hear that so much effort is being put into the manual. The Campaign Series manuals are among of the best for clarity and easy of use and the upgrade when JTCS came out was appreciated. Glad to see that the effort is being put into keeping it current.

I've seen mentions of expanding the JTCS to cover Latin America, etc. While it may antagonize some folks, I think it would be reasonable for Matrix to make it a separate product for sale, rather than a freebie. Jason will be needing new snow tires sometime...



Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/9/2008 3:55:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: berto
Are you currently the only maintainer of the JTCS code?


No, of course not. We have a member of the Campaign Series Legion that does the code work. Just not my department, hence why I tinker with the OOBs.

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ORIGINAL: berto
Do you have access to all source code (I imagine you do)?


Yes.

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ORIGINAL: berto
What computer language is JTCS written in?


I don't recall, as it's not my area. A version of C, I would imagine.

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ORIGINAL: berto
If you yourself don't do deep coding, what are the prospects of expanding the maintenance/development team in future?


See above.

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ORIGINAL: berto
If one wanted to join the team, how would one go about it?


We'll post a thread when looking to expand the team.

Jason Petho



MrRoadrunner -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 12:08:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

Keep in mind, I am referring to the Panther II, not the monster I think you are talking about.

By all means, you can add them to the unit request list when it becomes available.

As the OOB's have been expanded to 1953, there are a number of new units that will be available in the org editor. Take a moment to look through them and see what's new, what's available.

For the 1.04 UPDATE, I intend on tackling the British, French and Japanese Order of Battles.

Jason Petho



PzVII tank - PzKwVII was an animal that was in the mind only. Panther II was not listed as the VII.

While I am at it I will do some research on N. Tesla. He was in America and I hear there are original plans for the Tesla death ray. Bring on the PzKwVII! [:'(] [>:]





Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 12:25:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

PzVII tank - PzKwVII was an animal that was in the mind only. Panther II was not listed as the VII.




Humble apologies. I figured it was a shorted version of Panzerkampfwagen V II.

C'est la vie

Jason Petho




MrRoadrunner -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 1:36:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

PzVII tank - PzKwVII was an animal that was in the mind only. Panther II was not listed as the VII.




Humble apologies. I figured it was a shorted version of Panzerkampfwagen V II.

C'est la vie

Jason Petho





No need to apologize, my friend. [:)]
It was more a general language issue. PzKw V was the Panther. Version II was listed as PzKwV Panther II or Ausf II.
The Romans really knew how to use the numerals, eh? [;)]

I'll still research my Tesla death ray! [8|]



Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 2:54:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I'll still research my Tesla death ray! [8|]



Heck yes, I'm sure we can mount them in pillboxes!!

Jason Petho



Miamieagle -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 3:07:31 AM)

The only Nation that seriously reseached the possibility a death Ray where the Japanese. I hope we can get one with patch 108, I hope. There are also report that they developed a mini Atomic Bomb and they exploxed or tested it of the coast of Korea. I doubt that!

But since the German never where able to come close to developing one maybe we can recreate a senerio where the Japanese explode a Atomic in San Francisco with Patch 108 and see what happen then. LoL

I was kidding. I hate Atomic Bomb. No winner nor Losers just death.



Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 3:29:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Miamieagle

The only Nation that seriously reseached the possibility a death Ray where the Japanese. I hope we can get one with patch 108, I hope. There are also report that they developed a mini Atomic Bomb and they exploxed or tested it of the coast of Korea. I doubt that!

But since the German never where able to come close to developing one maybe we can recreate a senerio where the Japanese explode a Atomic in San Francisco with Patch 108 and see what happen then. LoL

I was kidding. I hate Atomic Bomb. No winner nor Losers just death.


Or.. The Geisha "platoon" that can infiltrate the opposing forces high command and eliminate leaders and HQ's at 10:1 odds!

Yes, yes!!

Jason Petho



MrRoadrunner -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/10/2008 3:17:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Miamieagle

The only Nation that seriously reseached the possibility a death Ray where the Japanese. I hope we can get one with patch 108, I hope. There are also report that they developed a mini Atomic Bomb and they exploxed or tested it of the coast of Korea. I doubt that!

But since the German never where able to come close to developing one maybe we can recreate a senerio where the Japanese explode a Atomic in San Francisco with Patch 108 and see what happen then. LoL

I was kidding. I hate Atomic Bomb. No winner nor Losers just death.


Actually, I just finished reading a book on Tesla that stated he did make a "small version" of his death ray in America. But, it was never developed as an official project of the US military or himself.
And, it was not a true death ray. It was more a wave energy projector that would have penetrated and disabled planes, ships, and tanks. At least that was the idea in Tesla's mind.

I'm sure Tesla would have shared your feelings about the A bomb. [sm=Cool-049.gif] Rock on!




Borst50 -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/11/2008 10:00:23 PM)

Ummmm, actually the Germans were quite developed in their atomic research. Most of their heavy water facilities were located in Norway. It wasnt the research that prevented us from getting the bomb first, it was Allied bombing missions, OSS and MI 6 operations in destroying the facilities that could produce a working prototype, not to mention the brueaucratic BS the Nazi war industry was famous for.



Ladmo -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/12/2008 12:52:55 AM)

TANKS: I am confused, are we getting an PzKwV II (which I thought we already had) or are we getting a PzKw VII? Not that I get a vote, but I like big tanks, especially big tanks not ironically named after rodents.

Looking forward to all of this stuff, whatever it maybe and whenever it may come out.

Thanks to all concerned.

LATIN AMERICA: to Temple. I did mention a mod I am doing on guerrilla wars in Latin America (finally found a decent oob for Somoza's la Guardia Nacional in Nicaragua!!!). Naturally, everything is highly speculative at this point, but I rather imagined my mod as an upgrade to Divided Ground if and when that is ever developed. However, as I do not own any copyrights, 'tis not in the least my decision what would happen to such a mod. I doubt seriously anyone would consider dumping the oob in with the WWII stuff.



Hermann -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/12/2008 10:51:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Borst50

Ummmm, actually the Germans were quite developed in their atomic research. Most of their heavy water facilities were located in Norway. It wasnt the research that prevented us from getting the bomb first, it was Allied bombing missions, OSS and MI 6 operations in destroying the facilities that could produce a working prototype, not to mention the brueaucratic BS the Nazi war industry was famous for.



I beg to differ on that point - Norway had a heavy water industry - that was wrecked early on but sufficient stocks were available. The Germans did build a very primitive reactor and the Nobel Laureate in Theoretical Physics Heilemann was universally believed to be the one that would reach the bomb first. However he never made the connection to enriched Uranium and the germans simply didnt have a plane large enough to carry his proposed bomb any distancedue to the weight ofhe unenriched uranium. The project was never properly funded despite his direct ties to Himmler.



Borst50 -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/13/2008 3:19:45 AM)

and while they did not have a plane large enough, with the possible exception of the Condor, the 4 engine long range bomber used by the Kriegsmarine, plan were on the drawing board for a atomic warhead to be fitted to the nose of the V 3, making it the worlds first ICBM. The Manhatten project didnt eclipse the nazi research ubtil late 43, when Oppenheimer figured out what was needed to acheive critical mass, from there is was a short walk to actual production, with a small side trip to moral ambiguity.

In my humble opinion, Von Braun could have had the V3 or perhaps it was the V4 I am thinking about, ready to go by 46, maybe 47. In any event, timetables were calculated and plans were drawn accordingly. Again, I maintain, it was the confusing brueaucratic BS between conflicting depts, that severely curtailed any effective production of an atomic weapon. Political infighting didnt help the situation either.



Miamieagle -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/14/2008 3:06:39 PM)

Borst50 I hate to bust your bubble but the reality is the Germans where never got near of completing a Atomic Bomb. Their best scientist had all their calculation wrong. The Allies found that out after the war. You see they got rid of some their best scientist before the war with there racist policies that did them more harm than good. You see even if they had all the right ingridients they where way of in how to use them in making a Bomb.

They did have terrific scientist and technologist and they did develope the first working fighter Jet and cruise missles with the V1 and a short range large missle like the V2. But developing a Atomic Bomb was way out of Germanies capability at the time.




Borst50 -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/15/2008 8:43:08 AM)

lol...well...we can agree to disagree. Some wise man once said..."History is the lie most commonly agreed upon."...and after having said that, I respect your opinion, is just that I disagree. No harm, no foul. [;)]

I wasnt trying to start a flame here....just voicing my opinion.



Miamieagle -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/15/2008 4:26:32 PM)

No harm, no foul! I agree with you totally.

Sometimes impressions and styles count more than facts and substance.

Its all what people think of you than what you are really like!



1925frank -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/15/2008 6:48:07 PM)

I once played "Hearts of Iron" and, as Germany, devoted all my ressources to developing the atomic bomb, only to discover that when I'd gotten 98 percent of the way there, I was prohibited from going further.  I lacked something.  Maybe it was uranium.  I wasn't familiar enough with the game to figure out how to get it.  Needless to say, I was a little ticked that I'd spent all that time and all those ressources only to come up with a dry well.



Borst50 -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/16/2008 4:54:36 AM)

You're cool with me...I do not have a problem. [:)]

Incidently...you did bring up an intersting point. You stated that the Allies didnt find out until after the war how advanced the German research was along...and I am paraphrasing here, so please forgive any discrepancies. But I am wondering, in those last final days of the war...just how many exactly of those top secret doucments were shredded...kind of interesting to think about...just how much information was really lost. The truth is I dont think anyone really knows for sure. We can make educated guesses, but thats all they really are. Yes, we have testimony from surviving scientists, we have some documentation....what survived that is....and we have eyewhitness reports...But...and here is the big BUT...If Nazi research was anything like the Manhatten project, everything was compatmentalized. The left hand didnt know what the right hand was doing. Only a few key individuals had a glimmer of the total picture. The Russians got some and the rest defected to the West.

All I am saying is that according to what I have read over the last 36+ years, in bits and pieces, AND drawing my own logical conclusions thereof, I still maintain the Germans were actually ahead of the Allies until late 43, after that, it was all downhill. But still they kep pace, just a step behind. And again, it wasnt just one single factor, but several combined, that prevented the Germans from being the first Atomic power.


[:D][:D][:D] OK, I am done. lol...I wont bring this up again.

I do find it somewhat ironic that in a thread labelled "Patch 1.03 update", we can digress so far from the point!

Cheers!



Ladmo -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/18/2008 11:49:51 PM)

HAPPY VICTORIA DAY TO OUR CANADIAN BROTHERS!



Jason Petho -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/19/2008 1:34:08 AM)

Thanks, Ladmo!

Jason Petho



1925frank -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/19/2008 7:15:43 AM)

Here's an opportunity to educate an uneducated and ugly American.  What's Victoria Day?  I know Queen Victoria reigned about 75 years.  Is that her birthday?



Arkady -> RE: 1.03 UPDATE (5/19/2008 8:33:15 AM)

Victoria Day (French: Fête de la Reine) is a Canadian statutory holiday celebrated on the last Monday before or on May 24 in honour of both Queen Victoria's birthday and the current reigning Canadian sovereign's birthday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Day
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