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Grognot -> Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/12/2008 8:34:32 AM)

AI GB called my Russia to support an offensive war against France; my Russia refused, breaking the alliance.

Bug: GB *wasn't allowed* to call Russia, since Russia had an enforced peace of 14 months w/ France.



Marshall Ellis -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/15/2008 4:44:20 PM)

Grognot:

Do you remember what was the message?




Grognot -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/15/2008 7:23:22 PM)

Hm, just what was in the log there -- Russia los 2 PP for refusing ally call, GB lost 2 PP for failed ally call.

1809, Apr Great Britain also loses 2pp for failed ally call!
1809, Apr Russia Loses 2 PP(s)
1809, Apr Russia / Great Britain Alliance was broken!
1809, Apr Russia refuses a call from Great Britain to war against France
1809, Apr Great Britain calls Russia to war against France   <-- illegal call
1809, Apr Turkey loses 4pp
1809, Apr Turkey has declared war On Great Britain
1809, Apr Turkey accepts a call from France to war against Great Britain
1809, Apr France calls Turkey to war against Great Britain
1809, Apr Great Britain loses -1pp due to royal marriage with France
1809, Apr Great Britain Loses 4 PP(s)
1809, Apr Great Britain has declared war On France

...

1808, Dec France is in Fiasco zone!
1808, Dec France loses 8pp
1808, Dec Russia gains 5pp
1808, Dec Russia releases 19 Militia to France
1808, Dec France now under enforced Peace for 36 Months
1808, Dec France Pays ALL of next quarter's income to Russia (91$).
1808, Dec Russia selected Gascony to be ceded!
1808, Dec Russia selected Berri to be ceded!
1808, Dec Russia selected Guyenne to be ceded!
1808, Dec Russia forcing France to cede 3 provinces
1808, Dec France surrenders unconditionally to Russia   <-- enforced peace until summer of 1810



Marshall Ellis -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/16/2008 1:15:32 PM)

Got it!



Dave_T -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/20/2008 8:38:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grognot

AI GB called my Russia to support an offensive war against France; my Russia refused, breaking the alliance.

Bug: GB *wasn't allowed* to call Russia, since Russia had an enforced peace of 14 months w/ France.


GB is allowed to call who ever she wants as an ally, if that ally can't DoW due to enforced peace then the alliance is broken.

This is a good & valid tactic to redcue the Political Status & reduce the cost of a later DoW of someone who is not wanted as an ally anymore.



Grognot -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/20/2008 11:20:36 AM)

Page 34 of the manual explicitly states that "If any ally cannot declare war because of an enforced peace restriction, that ally may not be called upon." -- 6.3.1.



ecn1 -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/20/2008 6:44:59 PM)

Dave_T

It would help if you read the rules and actually knew what you were talking about, both in the original boardgame and now in computer EiA, you could not call an ally to war if they had an enforced peace with the war prospect.





Dave_T -> RE: Ally call during an enforced peace ?! (4/21/2008 1:50:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ecn1

Dave_T

It would help if you read the rules and actually knew what you were talking about, both in the original boardgame and now in computer EiA, you could not call an ally to war if they had an enforced peace with the war prospect.


Quite correct

4.3.1.4: If any ally cannot declare war because of peace-time restrictions (an enforced peace-see 4.4.6.3), that ally may not be called upon. If an ally cannot declare war for other reasons (see 4.2.2. 1 and 4.2.2.2), the ally can still be called and, since the call cannot be answered, will be forced to break its alliance.

It tends not to be an issue in real EIA as cals to allies are discussed, rather than a random die roll by a computer.

Thank you for condesendingly pounting out my error.



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