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Japan -> AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 6:13:37 PM)

Any information about when it actualy is released?



[:)]



Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 6:26:57 PM)

No.



spence -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 6:29:07 PM)

Let's not mince words.



Sabre21 -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 6:31:58 PM)

Well I suppose it would be safe to assume that it will be released in the 21st century..and I would even take a chance and go out on a limb here and say that it will probably be out before the 100th anniversary of Pearl Harbor..but don't take my word on it though[:'(]



Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 6:41:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: spence

Let's not mince words.


Well, I've done about 83 variations on the theme "Matrix does not announce release dates in advance", but that doesn't seem to work.



Crimguy -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 7:02:39 PM)

Put it to music. . .


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


Well, I've done about 83 variations on the theme "Matrix does not announce release dates in advance", but that doesn't seem to work.




Admiral Scott -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 9:02:51 PM)

How far along is AE to being completed?

75% ?

80% ?

85% ?

Just give us your best estimation please.



wworld7 -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 9:23:15 PM)

Constant following of all AE threads makes my best uninformed guess = greater than 90% but less than 100%.

Edited to factor in "old rules of thumb".



jeffk3510 -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 10:51:11 PM)

Sounds like there is a good opporchancity that it could be done soon [:'(]



Don Bowen -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 11:40:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Admiral Scott

How far along is AE to being completed?

75% ?

80% ?

85% ?

Just give us your best estimation please.


There is an old rule of thumb for programming projects. They reach 90% completion within a few months, then stay at 90% forever.





Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/7/2008 11:47:36 PM)

That sounds about right.[:D]



treespider -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 1:13:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Admiral Scott

How far along is AE to being completed?

75% ?

80% ?

85% ?

Just give us your best estimation please.




Pie



Woos -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 2:32:58 AM)

quote:

There is an old rule of thumb for programming projects. They reach 90% completion within a few months, then stay at 90% forever.

It's the beta testers' fault. They find too many bugs. [;)]



m10bob -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 5:16:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: spence

Let's not mince words.


Well, I've done about 83 variations on the theme "Matrix does not announce release dates in advance", but that doesn't seem to work.


How about...."Do ya' feel lucky, punk ?..Well...do ya' ?"[:D]

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Gem35 -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 5:21:13 AM)

Hey...I gots ta know....[:D]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X0lvp7a7pmk&feature=related



Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 1:59:08 PM)

[:D][:D][:D]



kingwanabee -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 5:06:17 PM)

The original press release from Matrix on Dec. 7 said AE would be released "early summer 2008". Most people would consider June to be early summer, but it doesn't feel as if AE is close to release. This is not a criticism, just an observation.
I don't think it's out of line to ask for a revised update.....late summer, early fall, winter? [&:]

I'll be buying it regardless of when it's released. Keep up the good work![:)]



Shark7 -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 5:30:35 PM)

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say it will be released 'when it's done'.

I'd much rather wait a little longer for a finished, polished product than have a product released that is full of bugs.  And having been on both sides of the gaming industry, that is developer/consumer, there is nothing worse for either group than to rush out an unpolished product.



jwilkerson -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 6:20:11 PM)

"done"? Well not sure it will ever be "totally done" ... but we do want it to be playable right out of the box ... which is harder than it sounds ... but right now I'd say we are done, except for the AI.

We wrestle with the AI trying to get it to do what we want it to do. Somedays we are the windshield - somedays we are the bug. Once we get the AI to where it mostly does what we want most of the time, then we will be "done" enough - I think - but no idea when that will be at this point.
[:)]




Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 6:20:32 PM)

Same here, Shark7.

We're not guaranteeing a bug-free release (that would be preposterous), but we're guaranteeing that the development and beta-testing teams will do as much as we can to stamp the bugs out prior to release, and will remain committed to patching afterwards.

Nobody wants to drop the ball now, when we've been going for so long.



sventhebold -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 6:20:46 PM)

One of the problems I have seen in the past is each module of programming works relatively well
and then when you put it all together and beta test it mutates into a monster mess. So even with the
best of intentions it can crash and burn for the most unexpected reasons.[:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(]



Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 6:23:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sventhebold

One of the problems I have seen in the past is each module of programming works relatively well
and then when you put it all together and beta test it mutates into a monster mess. So even with the
best of intentions it can crash and burn for the most unexpected reasons.[:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(]


Heh, too true. That's one of the reasons why I was never good at coding (other than my room-temperature IQ)...



jwilkerson -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 7:20:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sventhebold

One of the problems I have seen in the past is each module of programming works relatively well
and then when you put it all together and beta test it mutates into a monster mess. So even with the
best of intentions it can crash and burn for the most unexpected reasons.


We've been doing integrated weekly builds for over a year and have been doing weekly Matrix Installer builds for a couple of months now - so "integrated testing" is 97% of the testing we're doing. Our only major issue is the AI - but one side benefit is that the delay in this area is allowing the other areas more time for "polishing" ... we just hope the polishing fixes more bugs than it makes!
[:D]



pad152 -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 8:07:30 PM)

Glad to see a major effort put into the AI, it needs it! [;)] 

It'll be a great year for wargaming, I just hope AE isn't released at the same time as Jutland and/or Supremacy at Sea (two other games with no release date)! [:D]  Looks like it's not the year for wargaming lite! [:)]





Andy Mac -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 9:04:37 PM)

AI is the thing that takes time just to get it working and is pretty much all some of us are working on - its probably taken more time than any other aspect of the game and it still isnt working properly.

I have probably ran about 1,000 turns in the last two weeks of AI testing as Joe said just getting it to go where it should go with sufficient strength is a challenge !!!!

But we are still working on it.

Andy




Andy Mac -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 9:06:06 PM)

I guess the answer to the original question is AE will be released a few weeks after we get the AI operating at the same level as stock - which it isnt yet



joey -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 9:26:06 PM)

As for me, I like the idea of a better AI. I can wait a few more weeks to get a more functional AI. Keep up the good work.



Andy Mac -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 10:27:14 PM)

All I can promise on AI performance is no worse than stock (apart form more access to the AI for modders)

Not promising any more than that.

I suspect I have ran more turns of AI testing than anyone else on the team and I have seen it pull some nice moves and a few bonehead ones don't forget the added complexity of getting the AI to use all the new features.



Terminus -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 10:44:54 PM)

[&o][&o]



joey -> RE: AE Released at what date? (6/8/2008 11:53:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

All I can promise on AI performance is no worse than stock (apart form more access to the AI for modders)

Not promising any more than that.

I suspect I have ran more turns of AI testing than anyone else on the team and I have seen it pull some nice moves and a few bonehead ones don't forget the added complexity of getting the AI to use all the new features.



I'm good with that. I suspect most of us are. I am just hoping to have it ready when the 90 degree days arrive in the summer. I might as well turn up the heat with WITP!



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