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Nikademus -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/21/2008 3:30:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

Jumper, those flak losses are horrendous even for 6-12 PTs.  Are you playing Nik Mod by any chance?


wouldn't matter if he was since the only adjustment in place currently for naval flak is the IJN TF effectiveness was reduced by 25%.





John Lansford -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/21/2008 5:05:40 PM)

I agree about the lack of lethality from Allied divebomber ordinance.  The 1000 lb GP bomb is useful only against un- or lightly armored ships, but the 1000 lb AP bomb is only more effective against the bigger Japanese cruisers.   It won't even penetrate the deck armor of a Kongo; I know because I watched three of them bounce off both Kongo herself and Ise last night.

Fortunately my Avenger squadrons bailed out the DB men by smacking both BB's with a couple of torpedoes each, but shouldn't the 1000 lb AP bomb penetrate vs BB deck armor?



niceguy2005 -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/21/2008 5:12:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Coach Z

Is it normal for the 50 caliber MG and the 20mm Cannon on PT Boats to cause tremendous damage to IJN Destroyers?

Night Time Surface Combat, near Koumac at 67,111

Japanese Ships
DD Yukaze, Shell hits 8, on fire

Allied Ships
PT PT-115, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-116
PT PT-118
PT PT-119
PT PT-120
UNBELIEVABLE>>>53 SYS Damage from this incident!


Hmmmm 53 sys damage does certainly seem high for 20mm hits. However, IMHO, if this had been a real life engagement that DD should thank it's lucky starts it wasn't torpedoed. 1 DD hunting a pack of PTs seems an iffy proposition.



John Lansford -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/21/2008 7:56:21 PM)

From the accounts I've read, though, it was the PT boats that feared the DD's and not the other way around.  The PT ambushed its prey and wasn't all that great a firing platform for torpedoes, being too small, while a DD was heavily armed, could maneuver quickly and was as fast or faster than most PT's.



Coach Z -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/23/2008 4:40:10 AM)

Actually most of the hits (5) were from the 50 cal MG fire!



Elessar -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/23/2008 9:44:33 AM)

If this was one lucky incident it  would all be fine. I'd say they must have gotten a lucky hit on a torpedo warhead, this might certainly account for 53sys if it dosent sink the DD. But such things happen all the time.

If the .50 on the PTs shoots up steel DDs pretty good I wonder why I cant hurt the smaller wooden PTs with the bigger 20mm gun on the Zeros[sm=crazy.gif]



John Lansford -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/23/2008 12:24:39 PM)

The 20mm gun on the Zero was fairly worthless; it had a low rate of fire, low muzzle velocity and from pilots' reports it was also inaccurate except at very short range.  I believe it was Saburo Sakai who disliked the 20mm so much he tended to use his MG's against enemy planes instead of the cannon.



Coach Z -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/23/2008 1:26:16 PM)

Nope not a single torpedo hit accounted for 53 system damage. All shell hits....another IJN DD has 37 Sys from 6 MG & 20 mm hits now.



Elessar -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (7/23/2008 7:03:51 PM)



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ORIGINAL: John Lansford

The 20mm gun on the Zero was fairly worthless; it had a low rate of fire, low muzzle velocity and from pilots' reports it was also inaccurate except at very short range. I believe it was Saburo Sakai who disliked the 20mm so much he tended to use his MG's against enemy planes instead of the cannon.

What you say is certainly true for air-air but it could do for a wooden PT. They should be little bit slower and less manuverable than allied fighters.


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ORIGINAL: Coach Z

Nope not a single torpedo hit accounted for 53 system damage. All shell hits....another IJN DD has 37 Sys from 6 MG & 20 mm hits now.


What I meant was that once in a while, probably only once in the war, a PT may get lucky and may hit, with it's .50cal, one of the torpedo warheads mounted on deck of the destroyer. Could explain 53sys once, but not every other day...




laien607 -> RE: Zeroes on Naval Attack Against PTs (8/5/2008 8:00:38 AM)

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What I meant was that once in a while, probably only once in the war, a PT may get lucky and may hit, with it's .50cal, one of the torpedo warheads mounted on deck of the destroyer. Could explain 53sys once, but not every other day...

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That is quite true. I believe that everything is possible in a war![:D]



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