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panzers -> RE: Best WWII Grand Stratigy Game (8/7/2008 1:58:23 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Veldor
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Veldor. I don't lmow that you have looked at the WiF forum, but if you did, I don't think you would have much doubt that this project is being as done as professionally as you will ever see a game desigm.
So completely untrue unless you add two qualifiers... "Wargame game design" and "in the public's eye" then I'd agree 100%. And that's very commendable but let's be accurate and not exaggerate [;)]
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What makes this game so unique is he has assembled some of the hardest core WiF players from all over the world to help him on this projrct.
Which is awesome, excellent, <insert favorite adjective here>, for the current WiF players but doesn't mean much of anything to those who haven't played. I'd honestly prefer to hear that there are hoards of people playtesting that have never touched the game before and that they are working on tuning the interface and tutorials to accomodate the under or un-initiated. I could care less if some optional rule or some nuance isn't implemented correctly. I'll never know either way.
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I highly suggest you go to that forum and and take a look see what is going on in there. To say there are things going on in there that us unique to all of matrix's gaming is a terrible understatement.
Why do you assume I haven't already?
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The game itself had been around close to 25 years now and it is aleays getting updated. It is withought question outside of maybe the ASL games the most intensly complicated game of all time., and the people who play this game religiously have put in a lot of their time to assist Steve in getting this out around Christmastime.
Sounds like you need to visit the forum [;)] It aint makin Christmas.
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Never in all my years of game playing have I seen such intense attention to detail. This game when it comes out will be the most heavily researched game by far ever in the history of the gaming industry because we have a worldeide fraternity that is stopping at nothing to ensure thuis thing comes out right and the first time. There will eventually be several add ons later but for now, we have so many volinteers helping Steve out in this project because we, more than anyone know what is at stake here. And what is at stake is something that should make WiTP like a monopoly game compared to this one. I don't know ghow many counters are in WiTP, but In MWiF there will be over 8600 of them, and that is not even close to be all of them. If you were to read all the pages of the game itself, it would be in excess of a thousanf pages when you factor in all the expansions that can come with it If you were to compare the two, then think of it this way, Everything you get in WiTP you pretty much get in MWiF, except you have to add the same complexity and detail the the entire world map, and as we all know, the european sector was much more complex tham the pacific. So everything is going to work out just fine. they have assembled the best team you could possibly have for a wargame such as this and everyone is working so well together. It is actually quite extrairdinary and being put together in a way that no game ever has done before. So keep the faith. This one is the real deal and If you were to look at all the postings on the WiF forim, you will probably rest a lot easier that this game is being put together the right way. It's nice to know that we have people who jave played this game, some of them for all 25 years, so they know all the nuiances of the game and that is a great help to Steve over there in matrix games
I will be taking several pictures of the upcaming con starting this weekend and will try to post them daily so that you can see what goes on in these games.
We're looking at about 30 to 50 people from all over the world to be at this convention, so that will mean 6 - 10 tables of games going on at once.
And outside of me playing devils advocate here.. All of what you say is essentially why I posted what I did. Agreeing with everything you say.... If WiF fails us I fear all hope is lost...We are done for...
If that game isn't successful and doesn't make a large number of people, myself included, very very happy.. Then there isn't even a point in trying again. Give up.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Clearly you haven't read this entire thread nor the MWiF thread because if you did you would know that up until this month they were on pace for a December release ever since EiA was released. I never once said it WAS going to be released in December. You can hate WiF all you want, but the vast majority of us in here know how important and how very professional they are taking this game which you, for some reason, are not seeing. But that's fine. I think I'm speaking for a lot of people and where I have said a lot about this game, apparently people are agreeing with what I am saying for that posting was a long time ago, and you are the only one so far that is disagreeing with me. That is fine. I expected someome to reply from such a long post. it's a matter of to each their own, but please do not go misquoting me if you are going to do that.
Also, They haven't officially ruled out christmas yet. You need to read that particular forum on what everyone is saying after the August report.
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