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Kensai -> Matrix Games prices for Europeans (4/8/2002 7:51:22 PM)

It will be a happy day for me when UV finally hits the stores.

Earlier, I was also interested in the Megacampaigns and other Matrix titles, but then, I didnt bought them. The reason is, that here (in Germany) you can buy nearly TWO full price games for the cost of one Matrix product. The Napoleon wargame would cost me 140 DM (70 Euros) , I dont wont to think about UV... :eek: For comparison: one of the most expensive games lately is Jedi Knight 2, which is sold for 44.95 Euros.

Well, I will buy UV anyway, but this moonprices will prevent me to buy any other Product which I can withstand (like the Megacampaigns). Too bad, too bad :(



Marc von Martial -> (4/8/2002 8:44:24 PM)

Dear customer, before starting a major rant why not trying to give the "worldwide dealers" link on our mainsite (and in the shop) a try? We also have a german reseller there ;). Most of the price is for overseas export is shipping and taxes. The games itself do not cost more the any other game.

Remember that the shop selling your Jedi Knight 2 copy has ordered the copies from a german import agency (AFAIK we only have on big here) this agency imports truck loads of the game titles from the oversea companies, some even have printing and publishing contracts with companies here on the european continent. All this drops the price you face on the shelf here in Germany big time. But unfortunatly weīre not a big fish in the pool yet and therefore can not afford this procedure.



Kensai -> (4/8/2002 8:53:02 PM)

Yes, I can understand this. All the costs you have for printed manuals ect. must be hard to make a good price then.



Marc von Martial -> (4/8/2002 11:58:48 PM)

As I sayed, the expensive part on ordering from the US is the shipping and taxes, we donīt have influence on that. So look up the dealers and youīll find a cheaper alternative for you by ordering from inside Europe. Thatīs why we made deals with those guys.



Nixuebrig -> (4/9/2002 12:34:08 AM)

to put some oil in the fire:

Net4war: La Grande Armee 69!!!! EUROS
Duchet : La Grande Armee 39,99 bp ca 67 EUROS
Roland Rahn La Grande Armee 62,50 EUROS

mediamailonline didn`t even notice that we have Euro instead of pesetas.

Jedi Knight was the most expensive game i bought, 49 EUROs and paying over 50 EUROS for a computer game is out of question. Those deales above will get large qunatities of your game, so that the package cost definitely will not make up these cut throat prices. SOrry to say that, but those prices are out of question for me.


Greg



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 5:06:37 AM)

Simple logic: at these prices I wont buy anything (UV excluted).

150 Euros for 3 Megacampaigns? NO WAY! Thats robbery. Typical US only attitude- we dont care a **** about the rest.

If you would sell the MC here for 30 Euros each (nearly full price game here) you would earn from me:

90 Euro, thats 90 Euros - CD - shipping - taxes

Now you get: nothing.

No wonder you sell so few pieces. But dont care, I will stop whining. The fun point is, I could affort it without a problem, but I dont see a reason to do it. This prices are simply robbery.



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (4/9/2002 7:42:16 AM)

You gentleman need to think outside the box (thats perhaps a North America expression, it means use your brains).

Yes orders to overseas is rough. What have you done to fix it (beyond complaining).

You can check out local dealers and they likely can cut your costs, so that buying from Matrix straight from the US is not the only method open to you. You guys should know by know that local dealers exist for almost any commercial product.

But that isn't the only option.

Take me for instance. I was not interested in dealing with the 21 additional dollars to get my Lost Victories cd sent into Canada. So I DIDN'T get it shipped into Canada (21 dollars was the "bonus" border crossing add on, nope I wasn't interested, let the establish collect money somewhere else).

I had a Texas resident order it instead. No odd additional costs involved there at all. She sent it to me in ordinary mail. Didn't cost 21 extra dollars, the cost was a 2 additional dollars. Therefore I saved 19 dollars. Is this all clear?

Yes I had to actually send my friend money to pay for that cd it wasn't like she was going to pay for it. Cost for money order 1 dollar. Oh dang I only saved 18. Plus I sent her a thankyou cd crammed with MP3's on it in a bubble envelope as well (bonus additional 2 dollars so I saved 13 in the end.

Truth is though. If you have a good friend you know in the US, and you arrange to be civil you send them a thank you gift. I could have just sent her the money order in a common envelope (its all she asked for, but then I am a nice guy and she was willing to help).

A game worth $24.95 US only has to cost you what it costs a US citizen plus 2 bucks to have them mail it to you.
My friend by the way knows nothing of Matrix, Steel Panthers, wargames, and was able to put Lost Victories in my hands in less than 2 weeks start to finish. All I did with give her the web address and the title of product I wanted.

If this girl can do it then, well, hmmm, why can't you guys?

As for finding a safe reliable person in the US. Well that is a matter of learning life's social graces I suppose. I know several young ladies that I have never met that would be equally willing to help me.
And my friend even bought the game first, and THEN I sent her the money. Amazing what being polite can do.

Its how I intend to buy my copy of Combat Leader eh. And this time I will probably send her some cool music videos on a cd I made.

So in the final analysis, getting bummed out over the cost of software into Europe. Well you can either stay bummed out, or use your noodle. Dealers work fine. Friends do as well.

But I never get anything in life just from complaining.



Raverdave -> (4/9/2002 12:24:21 PM)

:eek: Just been to the Aussie re-seller site......$100 AUD for UV:eek:
The "average" game here sells for $80 with a new release for a big name game starting at maybe $90.



Nixuebrig -> (4/9/2002 2:52:50 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]You gentleman need to think outside the box (thats perhaps a North America expression, it means use your brains).

Yes orders to overseas is rough. What have you done to fix it (beyond complaining).

You can check out local dealers and they likely can cut your costs, so that buying from Matrix straight from the US is not the only method open to you. You guys should know by know that local dealers exist for almost any commercial product.

But that isn't the only option.

Take me for instance. I was not interested in dealing with the 21 additional dollars to get my Lost Victories cd sent into Canada. So I DIDN'T get it shipped into Canada (21 dollars was the "bonus" border crossing add on, nope I wasn't interested, let the establish collect money somewhere else).

I had a Texas resident order it instead. No odd additional costs involved there at all. She sent it to me in ordinary mail. Didn't cost 21 extra dollars, the cost was a 2 additional dollars. Therefore I saved 19 dollars. Is this all clear?

Yes I had to actually send my friend money to pay for that cd it wasn't like she was going to pay for it. Cost for money order 1 dollar. Oh dang I only saved 18. Plus I sent her a thankyou cd crammed with MP3's on it in a bubble envelope as well (bonus additional 2 dollars so I saved 13 in the end.

Truth is though. If you have a good friend you know in the US, and you arrange to be civil you send them a thank you gift. I could have just sent her the money order in a common envelope (its all she asked for, but then I am a nice guy and she was willing to help).

A game worth $24.95 US only has to cost you what it costs a US citizen plus 2 bucks to have them mail it to you.
My friend by the way knows nothing of Matrix, Steel Panthers, wargames, and was able to put Lost Victories in my hands in less than 2 weeks start to finish. All I did with give her the web address and the title of product I wanted.

If this girl can do it then, well, hmmm, why can't you guys?

As for finding a safe reliable person in the US. Well that is a matter of learning life's social graces I suppose. I know several young ladies that I have never met that would be equally willing to help me.
And my friend even bought the game first, and THEN I sent her the money. Amazing what being polite can do.

Its how I intend to buy my copy of Combat Leader eh. And this time I will probably send her some cool music videos on a cd I made.

So in the final analysis, getting bummed out over the cost of software into Europe. Well you can either stay bummed out, or use your noodle. Dealers work fine. Friends do as well.

But I never get anything in life just from complaining. [/B][/QUOTE]


Sorry, but your points go in a different direction, dind`t want to say the game, if bought directly from Matrix is too expensiv, just wanted to say that the dealers over here take us as milk cows. Taking into account that if you order 100 copies of UV, the dealer will have to pay less for each copy, saves the package costs and so on. Thats what dealers are their for. If in the end the game costs the same or even more than direcly ordering it something is wrong:mad:

BTW, they sell EUII for 68 EUROs too(about 65$), I got it for 40 EUROS.



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 2:54:57 PM)

Nice tip, thank you.

But anyway, I bought Close Combat 3 & 5 in the States, it was MUCH cheaper than Matrix producs, and Matrix only need to send a lousy CD while CC was a complete game with box and manual.

The prices from the Matrix homepage for delivery:

UPS Foreign Expedited $ 42.70

UPS Foreign Express $ 46.47

USPS Global Express Mail $ 29.40

USPS Global Priority Mail $ 12.00

12$ shipping for one CD- do you really think one sane person would belive that!?

Ok, if I order MC Lost Victories $24.99 + "very cheap" $ 12.00 = 36.99$ (without taxes)

= 42,30 Euros. The average price for a NEW game here is 40 Euros!

I will stop here, because it is pretty useless. You guys wont do anything about that, but that policity will cost you a lot of money eventually.

I know enough people who got a shock when they tried to order something at your page only to see the "reasonable shipping costs"



Nixuebrig -> (4/9/2002 2:57:51 PM)

Forgot to mention, I know COSI, on of the german resellers, for about 15 years, he has always fair prices and most games come with a printed manual he makes by his own. I will ask him how much he takes for UV.

Greg



Nixuebrig -> (4/9/2002 3:04:00 PM)

Just talked to Cosi , he said about 59 EUROS, but canīt say it finally, as Matrix hasn`t given a final answer about the conditions.

Greg



Marc von Martial -> (4/9/2002 3:24:33 PM)

[QUOTE]Taking into account that if you order 100 copies of UV, the dealer will have to pay less for each copy, saves the package costs and so on. Thats what dealers are their for. [/QUOTE]

Exactly thatīs what I posted above folks. But you wonīt save anything remarkble when the dealer orders 100 copies, guys weīre talking about quantities here that you wonīt believe.
Matrix has done alot to give all you guys possibilities to order from different dealers and so make it cheaper for people outside the US.

[QUOTE]Typical US only attitude- we dont care a **** about the rest.[/QUOTE]

Yes, very fair buddy. If it were so we would simply let you order from our mainsite only. We also could have done like some other wargame companies ;)

This is a small company by now and we just donīt have the financial background like CC had with Microsoft or SSI as itīs backbone. That means we do not have the bribe money needed to get a place on the warehouse shelves, that means that we do not (yet) have so strong dealers and resellers that they can order an overseas container full of Megacampaigns to save reasonable bucks on shipping and taxes. That means we do not get special contracts with UPS or FedEx like the big ones get because they just sent more packages in a month.



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 4:36:41 PM)

12$ for one CD??? Do you deliver this thing with a space shuttle????

And: I can buy the game for 50$ at your store or for 70 Euros in Germany. Great difference...



Marc von Martial -> (4/9/2002 5:53:50 PM)

I will tell you the truth, actually a CD is about 2$, but of course we use the opportunity to stuff that extra 10$ in our greddy throats.
For now excuse me, I have to go back counting all the cash stockpiled here.

:rolleyes:



Raverdave -> (4/9/2002 6:27:26 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Schwanebeck
[B]I will tell you the truth, actually a CD is about 2$, but of course we use the opportunity to stuff that extra 10$ in our greddy throats.
For now excuse me, I have to go back counting all the cash stockpiled here.

:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

Marc I dare say that if any of these people knew the real truth to the cost of development, what with programers, hardware, the overheads of day to day business, not to mention the FREE web/forum that we are using, and the fact that at the end of the day those who started Matrixgames actually put their money on the line.....then prehaps they would get a better understanding of why a $2 disk becomes a $XXeuro $XXUS or even $XX AUD.

I dips me lid to Matrixgames for what, by all reports, is going to be a fantastic game. Yes $100 AUD came as a bit of a shock, but at the end of the day you have to look at how much value you will get out of it, and I think I will get a lot! I brough Wolfenstein for $85AUD and had finished it in a week.....UV and CL will last me for years and years.



Nixuebrig -> (4/9/2002 7:10:38 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Schwanebeck
[B]I will tell you the truth, actually a CD is about 2$, but of course we use the opportunity to stuff that extra 10$ in our greddy throats.
For now excuse me, I have to go back counting all the cash stockpiled here.

:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

:D

Noone said the programmers should earn money with it, think they have to buy some food too.

Maybe Matrix should think of doing it like Frank Hunter, he gave the dealers a license to burn the programms on CD, keeps the shipping costs low and makes less work. And personally I don`t mind if I got a professional made CD or one of lesser quality. Would have bought the Magecampaigns( and some freinds too) if the shipping costs weren`t that high.

Greg



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (4/9/2002 7:17:12 PM)

What's really sad is Matrix is just a "garage business" right now.

But no one is willing to see that when its all said and done, the guys at Matrix are not getting rich at this (likely won't give up their real jobs even if Combat Leader "exceeds" their sales expectations).

They have the forum here, which if you can't see it at least I can, costs serious money to operate (that's like several sales a day just to break even).
They produced a useful version of Steel Panthers for us (so when calculating the cost of a Mega Campaign add the cost of a full game cause you got a full game as an added bonus on the disk eh, realistically that disk is worth an additional $30 bucks US).

They operate as they actually are, a small business. If you asked my buddy that creates one of this and one of that custom woodworking, to produce 100 tables, and to ship them to Europe, you can assume that he would be more expensive than Sears. His product would be every bit as good as it deserves, but he also ain't going to get any volume slack on shipping.

So why default to calling Matrix "a business" and thinking that entitles you to make the distance suddenly of no consequence.

I dont actually know ANYONE that "bought" Windows XP eh........

My friends bought me Heroes of Might and Magic 4 for my birthday. Actually interesting to have something that actually is the real thing........
Of course it was sold in a normal store in a normal box with a normal manual along side several other normal software games. But its also from a normal big software company via a big software retailer selling to a large market at a decent price (which buy the way was a good deal more than my Lost Victories cd even when I add in Margarets thank you cd I sent her).

I am not only NOT expecting Matrix to keep pace with Microsoft, I am NOT expecting them to keep pace with the common Big game sellers. Its not possible not realistic and not going to happen.

Of course if buying games in your country sucks......

Hey ya can always move here to Canada. Sure doesn't suck in Canada (oh I love being Canadian, thanks mom and dad).

I can't say I know anything about the guys importing games into their countries to remarket them there, but I highly doubt they are getting rich off the option either. Hmmmm 100 games where I make like hmmmmm 10 bucks (Us or otherwise) think I will retire.

Of course there is always an alternative guys.

Stop buying the games we love and find something else to interest ya like hmmmm I don't know, maybe books. They must have books in your countries I suppose.

I mean I wish I had the same access to anime that Japanese guys do (that actually live in Japan). But I don't. So I spend a fortune to get what I get. I dont think its the fault of the people making it, that it costs a fortune.
I think it's the fault of the limited number of people buying it here in Canada that's at fault.
Just the other day I read on a web site how people over there discard manga the way we discard today's newspaper, I almost cried.

I have likely annoyed perhaps offended many fans of Matrix overseas. But I hope you get over it.



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 7:31:05 PM)

quote:


Marc I dare say that if any of these people knew the real truth to the cost of development, what with programers, hardware, the overheads of day to day business, not to mention the FREE web/forum that we are using, and the fact that at the end of the day those who started Matrixgames actually put their money on the line.....then prehaps they would get a better understanding of why a $2 disk becomes a $XXeuro $XXUS or even $XX AUD.


Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Say, how old are you? Maybe you should go back and read my post again. I was upset about the SHIPPING COSTS not about the game. I am a programmer in the softwaredevelopment, I know about the costs of such a work. This was never in question, only the price of shipping.

Dont get me wrong, I really like their work and I will pay for it. But I wont pay as much shipping costs as the game actually cost. Well, our products cost 100000$ average, so maybe we should try this trick too ;)

BTW Raverdave- it would certainly help if you read the complete topic, instead jumping other persons and making false statements.



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 7:38:50 PM)

quote:


I have likely annoyed perhaps offended many fans of Matrix overseas. But I hope you get over it.


I will when UV is finally out :)

So...


Man: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.

Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

Man: Well, what would be the cost?

Receptionist: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.

Man: Well, I think it's probably best if I start with the one and then see how it goes from there, okay?

Receptionist: Fine. I'll see who's free at the moment.

(Pause)

Receptionist: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory. Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.

Man: Thank you. (Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?

Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...

Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!

Man: What?

A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT! YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE! YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!

M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!!

A: OH! Oh! I'm sorry! This is abuse!

M: Oh! Oh I see!

A: Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door.

M: Oh...Sorry...

A: Not at all!

A: (under his breath) stupid git.

(The man goes into room 12A. Another man is sitting behind a desk.)

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Other Man: I've told you once.

Man: No you haven't!

Other Man: Yes I have.

M: When?

O: Just now.

M: No you didn't!

O: Yes I did!

M: You didn't!

O: I did!

M: You didn't!

O: I'm telling you, I did!

M: You did not!

O: Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

M: Ah! (taking out his wallet and paying) Just the five minutes.

O: Just the five minutes. Thank you.

O: Anyway, I did.

M: You most certainly did not!

O: Now let's get one thing quite clear: I most definitely told you!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: No you DIDN'T!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: No you DIDN'T!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: No you DIDN'T!

O: Oh yes I did!

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument!

(pause)

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

(pause)

M: It's just contradiction!

O: No it isn't!

M: It IS!

O: It is NOT!

M: You just contradicted me!

O: No I didn't!

M: You DID!

O: No no no!

M: You did just then!

O: Nonsense!

M: (exasperated) Oh, this is futile!!

(pause)

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is!

(pause)

M: I came here for a good argument!

O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.

O: Well! it CAN be!

M: No it can't!

M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.

O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!

M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'.

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

O: It is NOT!

M: It is!

O: Not at all!

M: It is!

(The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.)

O: Thank you, that's it.

M: (stunned) What?

O: That's it. Good morning.

M: But I was just getting interested!

O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.

M: That was never five minutes just now!!

O: I'm afraid it was.

M: (leading on) No it wasn't.....

O: I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

M: WHAT??

O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.

M: But that was never five minutes just now!
Oh Come on!
Oh this is...
This is ridiculous!


O: I told you... I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!

M: Oh all right. (takes out his wallet and pays again.) There you are.

O: Thank you.

M: (clears throat) Well...

O: Well WHAT?

M: That was never five minutes just now.

O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!

M: Well I just paid!

O: No you didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I don't want to argue about it!

O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!

M: Ah hah! Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing??? Ah HAAAAAAHHH! Gotcha!

O: No you haven't!

M: Yes I have! If you're arguing, I must have paid.

O: Not necessarily. I *could* be arguing in my spare time.

M: I've had enough of this!

O: No you haven't.

M: Oh shut up!

(Man leaves the office)



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (4/9/2002 8:05:09 PM)

Kensai

You can pick up your plague for the current longest post at the office man:) :D :) :D :) :D :) :D :p

God he actually typed out the whole routine.

Can't hate a Python fan I suppose.:)



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 8:12:19 PM)

quote:


You can pick up your plague for the current longest post at the office man


Can you sent it to me for 12$ :D



Mojo -> Waiter, Reality check please (4/9/2002 8:55:23 PM)

I guess I'm really missing something here guys. Shipping costs seem out of line but that's not the fault of Matrix.

I just went to Amazon.com to see what they charge. $12.98 for one item of software is the cheapest shipping you can get to Europe. Want it faster? Pay $33.98 for one item.

Remember that Amazon has a certain economy of scale. They are huge so their actual shipping and handling costs are much lower than what a small company like Matrix incurs.

As far as if you think that $24.99 is a fair price for an MC without a printed manual you have to make up your own mind on that. Just for a point of reference I have paid upwards of $30 for one imported music CD. Which one, game vs music, do you think has brought me the most enjoyment for the bucks?

Get a grip



Kensai -> (4/9/2002 9:39:18 PM)

I give up. Too many nitwits around.

Yes, I want the game for 2$ because it sucks and Matrixgames is the devil himself.

Now satisfied?



Mojo -> (4/9/2002 9:48:21 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kensai
[B]I give up. Too many nitwits around.

Yes, I want the game for 2$ because it sucks and Matrixgames is the devil himself.

Now satisfied? [/B][/QUOTE]

You are quite welcome.



Marc von Martial -> (4/9/2002 11:10:47 PM)

[QUOTE]Too many nitwits around[/QUOTE]

No, not too many nitwits but a few that ignore that shipping costs are as they are and we can do nothing about it, as theyīre made up by the parcel services.
We would love to ship it to you for free actually but FedEx and brothers does not want to play that game.



chief -> (4/10/2002 1:11:15 AM)

I've read all the posts on this subject and I have one lousy question. WHAT WOULD THE COST BE IF IT WAS PURCHASED IN EUROPE AND SHIPPED TO THE US ? Compare that and then bi***.
Sorry if I flame a Euro but it works both ways guys.:mad: :( :confused:



mckvics -> (4/10/2002 2:20:03 AM)

As a long term lurker on these boards , a European and a happy customer of the first mega game I would like to throw my hat into the ring on this one.
I think that Matrix prices are fine as regards the product and I say this as someone who has just gained a daugther and lost an income. But that said I think there is a problem with the shipping charges. I regularly buy from the states and this is one area where companies have a wide variation.
Does it effect what I buy from Matrix, well yes, I brought the first CD as a thank you for all your efforts on the other games even though I was not a fan of SP. (I've since modified my views.) I will buy UV no problem, but where you lose the sales is the casual spur of the moment sales. I'm not a fan of the period but I might have given La Grande Armee a spin or brought another mega had it not been for the (In my view excessive) postage.
Maybe its just me, but I seem to remember someone saying that sales of the 2nd and 3rd mega's were disappointing, It may only be one reason of many but its worth looking at.
I agree with Les the Sarge 9-1' s idea on getting a 'local' to post it on but I don't have anyone who's a possibility at present.
Cheers



Nixuebrig -> (4/10/2002 2:30:05 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chief
[B]I've read all the posts on this subject and I have one lousy question. WHAT WOULD THE COST BE IF IT WAS PURCHASED IN EUROPE AND SHIPPED TO THE US ? Compare that and then bi***.
Sorry if I flame a Euro but it works both ways guys.:mad: :( :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]

Deutsche Post(German Mail) 4,61 EUROS International per Airmail

:D

2,56 EUROS for the Mail and 2,05 Euros if you want to be sure that the mail arrived where it should. So it would be about 4,5 $ss

That would be the shipping costs from Germany to the US.



Greg



Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> (4/10/2002 3:21:09 AM)

One thing I have noticed a lot of.

People that have purchased items "to support Matrix".

I DO indeed like Matrix.

But Matrix can rest assured I never bought my Lost Victories, "just to support them". I bought it because I wanted it.

I am obliged to support my wife.
Point here is I am not here to "support" Matrix.

In as much as I call myself a loyal fan of Matrix, they have to earn each and every dollar out of me. I have no intention of giving them any "warm and fuzzy" sales.

If I had no desire to play a Mega Campaign, I would not buy one...period. Same for coffee mugs t shirts and such.

If I had the cash I might buy Watch Tower. Not sure about the Desert one. The setting just doesnt do it for me (played the germans a lot and got used to sitting behind 88's wasting everything in sight), probably burned out my interest in the desert. Watch Tower though is likely a good way of separating the men from the weenies (I think I am possibly still a weenie in the Pacific).

I am waiting patiently to get Combat Leader. I ain't going to buy it just to say "thanks" for Steel Panthers. Matrix produced Steel Panthers WaW on their own initiative. My thanks comes in the form of these words...

THANK YOU

It's all that is expected from any of us.

Getting another person hooked on the game is always a good thing. Certainly doesn't hurt sales. If they go hog wild and buy all sorts of stuff, well I guess I was in some way useful.



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