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ORIGINAL: Mike Dubost

First, let me start by saying that this is not intended as a criticism of the enormous effort put in so far. I really like what I see here of the comming product.[&o]

However, in the interests of perfectionism, can we place California in the Mediteranian climate zone where it belongs. I have played a few games of CWiF, and I roll my eyes when I place units on the West Coast during the winter. As a 39 year old native of the Golden State, I can still count on the fingers of 1 hand the number of times I have experienced sea level snowfall. With San Francisco in the North Temperate zone, this happens pretty much every winter in the game, but it is almost unheard of in real life.

The hexes between the Sierra Nevada, the ocean, the Mexican border, and a line about 1 to 2 hexes north of Sacramento should be in the Med. zone.

I will admit that this has limited impact on the game, but I could picture (say) an incautious US player finding fast carrier task forces out of the Marshalls lauching port attacks on L.A.

I do understand that I am rather late to the party with this suggestion, and I will not condemn the game if it can't be implemented. (I expect to be too busy playing it to spend the effort!) However, I am, as implied above a bit of a perfectionist. I guess that happens to those of us in QA [:)].

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Mike Dubost

First, let me start by saying that this is not intended as a criticism of the enormous effort put in so far. I really like what I see here of the comming product.[&o]

However, in the interests of perfectionism, can we place California in the Mediteranian climate zone where it belongs. I have played a few games of CWiF, and I roll my eyes when I place units on the West Coast during the winter. As a 39 year old native of the Golden State, I can still count on the fingers of 1 hand the number of times I have experienced sea level snowfall. With San Francisco in the North Temperate zone, this happens pretty much every winter in the game, but it is almost unheard of in real life.

The hexes between the Sierra Nevada, the ocean, the Mexican border, and a line about 1 to 2 hexes north of Sacramento should be in the Med. zone.

I will admit that this has limited impact on the game, but I could picture (say) an incautious US player finding fast carrier task forces out of the Marshalls lauching port attacks on L.A.

I do understand that I am rather late to the party with this suggestion, and I will not condemn the game if it can't be implemented. (I expect to be too busy playing it to spend the effort!) However, I am, as implied above a bit of a perfectionist. I guess that happens to those of us in QA [:)].

Are there other Californians here that would support this ? I seem to remember someone who asked something like that for Los Angeles, but I had not written in down on my list of propsed changes at the time.

To go in your way, on the WiF FE America map (AiF map indeed), nearly all California is desert hexes or desert mountain hexes (only San Francisco, Oakland and Sacramento are in non desert hexes), thus the North Temperate Weather Zone has its effects reduced because of that.

But on the MWiF map, with the European Scale has no more of these coastal desert and desert mountain hexes. Only inland places have desert and desert mountain hexes. So your demand may be needed indeed now that the North Temperate Weather zone's weather effects are no more reduced by the desert hexes.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

I looked at precipitations map for Mexico and the United States, and this would look like that.
What would you think of that adjustement.



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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
You might want to research having this new piece of Med range farther north and west. It seems a little strange to not have the sea area weather zone match the coastal hexes they border.

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Having the Carribean coast remain monsoon is certainly correct, there are frequent hurricanes through that region (e.g., Florida) every year. There just was one in the last month and another is looming off-shore. Katrina got a lot of press coverage worldwide too a couple of years ago. And there are several songs about a hurricane that hit Galveston in 1900.

Northern Texas gets a lot of snow and so do the higher elevations of New Mexico. I don't think this Med region should extend any farther east than you have shown it.

And to the south there are hurricanes that come out of the waters west of Mexico which proceed west/northwest every year. It is rare for them to make it as far as Hawaii, though that has occurred once in the last 25 years. So that area should stay monsoon.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Are there other Californians here that would support this ?

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Are there other Californians here that would support this ?

I live in central California about 50 miles south of Sacramento, and grew up in the Bay Area. I would strongly support this change, but I’d say move the proposed zone north to the hexes just below Eureka (the three hexes just west of your northern most current hex). Napa Valley is one big vineyard, and north of that is some of the most beautiful Redwood forests on earth, neither of these could exist in any kind of severe winter climates.

Though that coastal region I mention may get a light dusting of snow once in a blue moon, no way would the weather ever be severe enough to merit snow effects at any time of year.

I’d also recommend moving the North Temperate region to be at least 2 or 3 hexes north of Vegas in the desert hexes. Vegas is HOT, I doubt it ever snows there.

Jim

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
I live in central California about 50 miles south of Sacramento, and grew up in the Bay Area. I would strongly support this change, but I’d say move the proposed zone north to the hexes just below Eureka (the three hexes just west of your northern most current hex). Napa Valley is one big vineyard, and north of that is some of the most beautiful Redwood forests on earth, neither of these could exist in any kind of severe winter climates.

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Though that coastal region I mention may get a light dusting of snow once in a blue moon, no way would the weather ever be severe enough to merit snow effects at any time of year.

I’d also recommend moving the North Temperate region to be at least 2 or 3 hexes north of Vegas in the desert hexes. Vegas is HOT, I doubt it ever snows there.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

At the light of the recent discussions, here is my proposal for the Weather Zone around California & Nevada.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
About this, being in the North Temperate Weather Zone does not mean severe winter climate. This is the climate of all Europe up to Poland and England. That's not that harsh. Moreover, here is an abstract from a precipitation map around California and Nevada, and we can see that the area in those mountains is as wet as the Sierra Nevada, so I prefer leaving the boundary where I put it initialy.

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
Edit: Your snow chart is definatley wrong. I haven't seen snow for decades in the areas it lists as having 5 days a year with an inch or more of snowfall.

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ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish
Here's where we need to be careful, Patrice's map is clearly from 1970; so that'd explain the no seeing for decades. The question should be: what was the weather like in 1939-45? All that aside, I think the proposed changes are fair.

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ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
Edit: Your snow chart is definatley wrong. I haven't seen snow for decades in the areas it lists as having 5 days a year with an inch or more of snowfall.

Here's where we need to be careful, Patrice's map is clearly from 1970; so that'd explain the no seeing for decades. The question should be: what was the weather like in 1939-45? All that aside, I think the proposed changes are fair.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish
Here's where we need to be careful, Patrice's map is clearly from 1970; so that'd explain the no seeing for decades. The question should be: what was the weather like in 1939-45? All that aside, I think the proposed changes are fair.

The map has this notice :
"for the period 1931-1965"

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ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish
Great, so clearly the area you have now marked as Mediterranean is the area depicted as having had an average of 1 day of snow a year. Except maybe for those coastal hexes in Northern California and Oregon. But not every hex in a weather zone must actually have the snow, IMHO, as ZOC can extend from other hexes and other abstractions of supply may dictate.

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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

In San DIego north County in the town of Escondido there was a snowfall of about 1 inch early in the morning one winter day in 1963.  It lasted for perhaps 2 to 3 hours on the ground.

Since then no snow.

Lars 

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ORIGINAL: Mike Dubost
Thank you one and all for the effort here. I originally expected about 5 replies, so I am somewhat surprised by the volume of discussion I generated with the original post. I am not complaining at all, just surprised and a bit gratified by willingness to consider suggestions from "newbies".