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JWE -> New Scenarios (11/15/2008 6:38:32 PM)

Ok, so everybody knows the AI ain’t I, and we all know that as time goes on, it gets less and less I. But for well developed smaller scenarios, the AI ain’t ‘too’ bad.

I’m looking to put together a ‘stable’ of smaller, fun, informative, scenarios, so Newbies got something to play with, and grogs can do a PBEM without investing years.

I’m looking for “operational” or “sub theater” suggestions; no more than 1 year long, with suggestions as to ‘victory conditions’. No “what if” crap, please.

I know this thread is likely to get bogged and boogered, so pm works, as does email.

Ciao. John



Terminus -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 6:46:28 PM)

Late war Philippines campaign. Everything from the US landing forward.



m10bob -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 6:55:13 PM)

The Japanese Indian ocean foray in 1942.
Aside from damage to Allied bases, the area was rife with merchant ships that needed protecting.



JWE -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 6:58:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus
Late war Philippines campaign. Everything from the US landing forward.

Oh, woof ! sweet !
yeah ! back it up a month or so to put the admin stuff in place, Oh, good one T. That one is in the box.



Nomad -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:04:30 PM)

How about one that covers the Gilberts to the Marshalls? Call it Nimitz Strikes?



Ron Saueracker -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:06:56 PM)

I have found that the AI is much better if it is on the offensive as this is easier to script I suppose. Makes it more challenging for the human player to be on the defensive during these scenarios. So, the opening phase of the war when Japan is strictly on the offensive (Dec 41 through say July 42) and with Allies strictly on the offensive (say Feb 43 through Aug 45) might be ideal.



Akos Gergely -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:09:16 PM)

I second to this one!



JWE -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:10:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: m10bob
The Japanese Indian ocean foray in 1942.
Aside from damage to Allied bases, the area was rife with merchant ships that needed protecting.

yeah, interesting Bob, but not much traction beyond letting the KB into the IO to blow up whatever Brit ships they find. Looking for something scenario-ish, like Termie's Phillipine thingie. Something fully operational; ships, units, supply, the whole magilla.

I think Termies Phillipine thingie is awesome! Something like that, early war, late war, a campaign, if ya know what I mean.



Terminus -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:29:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JWE


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus
Late war Philippines campaign. Everything from the US landing forward.

Oh, woof ! sweet !
yeah ! back it up a month or so to put the admin stuff in place, Oh, good one T. That one is in the box.


Then it could also include the fast carrier raid on Formosa to kill the airfields.



JWE -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:37:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus
Then it could also include the fast carrier raid on Formosa to kill the airfields.

YBYA (you bet your a$$).
Damn Termie, that's a good one. Lets take this pup off-line and dial it in.



dennishe -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 7:39:00 PM)

What about operation downfall? Starting halfway 1945 and including the troops from Europe coming over. Would be cool.



Terminus -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 8:32:23 PM)

You'll get it with AE.



scout1 -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 8:44:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

You'll get it with AE.



By 1945, it really won't matter. The Allies will have standing room only with troops and ships trying to get enough room to get to Japan ...... This isn't an issue of Japanese victory, but rather one of survival ......



Dixie -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 8:50:08 PM)

How about the DEI campaign?

And maybe it comes under the "what if" label, Operation Zipper.



Terminus -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 9:02:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: scout1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

You'll get it with AE.



By 1945, it really won't matter. The Allies will have standing room only with troops and ships trying to get enough room to get to Japan ...... This isn't an issue of Japanese victory, but rather one of survival ......


Of course. It's gonna be kinda what-if...



JWE -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 9:49:24 PM)

Hi Termie. ok, you can be the curmudgeon. I'm gone. Ciao.



rogueusmc -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 10:19:09 PM)

What about Olympic and the prep for it?



vettim89 -> RE: New Scenarios (11/15/2008 10:37:25 PM)

How about Cartwheel? AUgust 142 to December 1943. The isolation of Rabaul including the GC Campaign. Or just February 1943 to Decmber 1943 after the GC campaign concluded.



Yamato hugger -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 1:05:36 AM)

A shorter "campaign game" would be nice. Dec 7 41 to Dec 31 42 for example.



BrucePowers -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 1:42:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: m10bob

The Japanese Indian ocean foray in 1942.
Aside from damage to Allied bases, the area was rife with merchant ships that needed protecting.


Or sinking, depending on your point of view[:)]



Alfred -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 3:10:34 AM)

Creating shorter scenarios means limiting the OOB and physical area of operations to the historical record and timeframe.  In that case,  possible candidates are:

1.  The mid 1945 Australian + Dutch campaign on Borneo (Tarakan, Balikpapan)

2.  The Kokoda campaign, say starting with the Milne Bay landings (August 1942) and finishing with the allied recapture of Buna/Salamua (January 1943)

3.  The March 1942 Java campaign (could be lengthened by starting with the February 1942 preliminary strike at Darwin)

4.  The Japanese February 1942 campaign to capture Rabaul

Alfred 



thegreatwent -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 3:34:12 AM)

New Guinea early war lots of Sturm and Drang and both sides on a shoestring.



Local Yokel -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 10:37:02 AM)

Ichigo campaign, Central China, April to September 1944.  A last hurrah for the JFB?



KDonovan -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 1:33:09 PM)

I would like to see more small scenarios focused around surface combat......

1) DEI scenario (that doesn't include Mayala and the Philipines)
2) Slot Battles of the Solomons

and a central pacific nimitiz offensive scenario would be cool as well...with a map extending from Hawaii, to the Marianas



Nikademus -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 4:47:42 PM)

a small scenario covering Operation Dracula might be nice as an amphibious tutorial.

A small carrier raid scenario might cover the late war British carrier raids on the SRA.

Mutuguchi's ill fated U-GO offensive into India might make for a decent land combat tutorial.




JWE -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 6:43:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus
a small scenario covering Operation Dracula might be nice as an amphibious tutorial.

A small carrier raid scenario might cover the late war British carrier raids on the SRA.

Mutuguchi's ill fated U-GO offensive into India might make for a decent land combat tutorial.

You know, that has interesting possibilities: 3 or 4 small scenarios as tutorials, and then 1 ‘campaign’ scenario that includes them all.

The U-Go operation on India, including the 55th Division Ha-Go attack in the Arakan as well. Start in Feb. 1944, and run till the end of July. A nice six month scenario.

Then “On the Road to Mandalay”, including Operation Dracula. Start in December 1944, and run till the end of May 1945. Another nice six month scenario. Dracula could be an additional separate 14 day tutorial that has amphib, para, air, and ground parts to get a player used to all the different stuff.

Then a “Reconquest of Burma” campaign. Start in Feb. 1944 and run till the end of July 1945. A nice year and a half scenario. All the individual bits will be already done, so it wouldn’t be hard to fit them together.

Would like some info on the Brit carrier raids in the SRA. As you say, they would be nice for a tutorial, and would fit in with the Burma campaign nicely.

Now, if there was only a monsoon season when everything comes to a mud-clogged halt.



Nikademus -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 8:42:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JWE

Would like some info on the Brit carrier raids in the SRA. As you say, they would be nice for a tutorial, and would fit in with the Burma campaign nicely.

Now, if there was only a monsoon season when everything comes to a mud-clogged halt.



I'll email the details to you regarding the Brit carrier raids




jwilkerson -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 9:54:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JWE

The U-Go operation on India, including the 55th Division Ha-Go attack in the Arakan as well. Start in Feb. 1944, and run till the end of July. A nice six month scenario.

Then “On the Road to Mandalay”, including Operation Dracula. Start in December 1944, and run till the end of May 1945. Another nice six month scenario. Dracula could be an additional separate 14 day tutorial that has amphib, para, air, and ground parts to get a player used to all the different stuff.

Then a “Reconquest of Burma” campaign. Start in Feb. 1944 and run till the end of July 1945. A nice year and a half scenario. All the individual bits will be already done, so it wouldn’t be hard to fit them together.



I would caution about a scenario that relies heavily on the land aspect. A combined land/air campaign could be interesting - but a campaign that focuses primarily on the land campaign aspect of the game will not bring out the strengths of the system. Also "short" land campaigns are tough because of the scale and the need to move long distances. In areas where there are rail lines, this issue is mitigated somewhat.



JWE -> RE: New Scenarios (11/16/2008 10:52:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
I would caution about a scenario that relies heavily on the land aspect. A combined land/air campaign could be interesting - but a campaign that focuses primarily on the land campaign aspect of the game will not bring out the strengths of the system. Also "short" land campaigns are tough because of the scale and the need to move long distances. In areas where there are rail lines, this issue is mitigated somewhat.

Didn't know that.

Okay, never mind.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: New Scenarios (11/17/2008 7:23:44 PM)

Any way to link the entire war via concurrent and consecutive mini scenarios so one could compete against a more competent script? Here is where VPs would come into real play to determine success, unlike a full campaign where VPs are superfluous. (because one can't carry over victories and defeats between mini scenarios)



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