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noxious -> Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 6:33:49 PM)

What gives, Mr Rutins ?
The guy who started has that thread is way more offensive : he has SS in his ****ing nick !!
I'm not particularly sympathetic to BoredStiff's views, but this is a prime example of double standards, as they're quite a few nazi/ss nicknames and avatars on this forum, which makes it illegal content in certain European countries, btw.
And I have no problems with Germans, but I have a problem with double standards, and letting things go because it's wargaming : we all know the SS were ****ing thugs, and some of the lowest scum of the Earth. Not soldiers (just ask the people who really served in the German army what they thought of the SS, but you all know this already ;))
So if you're going to censor BoredStiff, you should start by getting rid of all the nazi sympathizers around these parts, whether their sympathy is avatar/nick deep or deeper doesn't matter : Rules are rules (you said it, not me Erik)

Keep up the good work, games wise
Cheers, stay true
Nic



SuluSea -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 7:52:05 PM)

Can't we all just play games?



TonyE -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 7:55:16 PM)

Oh I think we are [8D]



Terminus -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:01:12 PM)

My avatar consists of three IJN ships; are you going to call me an apologist for Imperial Japan's war crimes?



wernerpruckner -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:02:30 PM)

Yes.....he will [:'(]



Terminus -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:07:27 PM)

Well, YOU'RE obviously a Nazi, with that airplane in your sig...



JudgeDredd -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:07:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

Can't we all just play games?

Yep...see ya [:D]



wernerpruckner -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:11:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, YOU'RE obviously a Nazi, with that airplane in your sig...


tja, vat kan I say [:'(]



Terminus -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:12:49 PM)

Now get back to work on BtR![:'(]



wernerpruckner -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:14:39 PM)

only if you go back to AE......I really wanna know which one comes out first!
( both are my favorite games )



Hanal -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:20:34 PM)

Geez..I just read on another forum how the poster hopes the person who created e-licences develops cancer and dies...what's going on? People not getting a Holiday turkey this year?



sol_invictus -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:52:57 PM)

Oh dear, I must be a closet Bonapartist.[X(]



V22 Osprey -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 8:53:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

Geez..I just read on another forum how the poster hopes the person who created e-licences develops cancer and dies...what's going on? People not getting a Holiday turkey this year?


yea, what gives?

It's seems like a bar fight or something.One guy punches another guy and soon the whole bar is fighting.

Thank God I have an American aircraft as my avatar.[X(]



noxious -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:06:03 PM)

Wow, is it that you guys really can't read or is it standard operating procedure to distort what people say/write ?



Phatguy -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:09:01 PM)

I must be part of the "stupid"  minority....no sig..no avatar



Terminus -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:17:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: noxious

Wow, is it that you guys really can't read or is it standard operating procedure to distort what people say/write ?



Well, you called "SS Hauptsturmführer" a Nazi sympathizer, with no evidence whatsoever, so it's not a very long logical leap to make the other assumptions.



V22 Osprey -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:20:15 PM)

This is gonna heat up fast.



Prince of Eckmühl -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:24:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

I must be part of the "stupid"  minority....no sig..no avatar


I think that they were deleted by someone from the forum staff, AFTER the poster declined to do it on his own.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



Phatguy -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:31:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl


quote:

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

I must be part of the "stupid"  minority....no sig..no avatar


I think that they were deleted by someone from the forum staff, AFTER the poster declined to do it on his own.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)


LOL..i was actually talking about myself....never even considered a sig or avatar until Erik brought it up



Prince of Eckmühl -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:48:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl


quote:

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

I must be part of the "stupid"  minority....no sig..no avatar


I think that they were deleted by someone from the forum staff, AFTER the poster declined to do it on his own.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)


LOL..i was actually talking about myself....never even considered a sig or avatar until Erik brought it up



Well, it's good to know that there's someone around here, besides me, that can't communicate effectively without using his hands! [;)]

How's the ticker?

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



06 Maestro -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 9:52:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey
[It's seems like a bar fight or something.One guy punches another guy and soon the whole bar is fighting.

Thank God I have an American aircraft as my avatar.[X(]




You can't always make that assumption-watch your back.



Prince of Eckmühl -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 10:46:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: noxious

So if you're going to censor BoredStiff, you should start by getting rid of all the nazi sympathizers around these parts.


I don't consider myself a nazee-symp, but I'm not exactly a fan of the Stalinist/Maoist/Pol Pot family of commies, either, the guys who murdered so many millions of of their own in the process of consolidating their hold on the peoples-balls. But, my thoughts regarding those folks are sort of irrelevant, don't you think?

Matrix has their own purpose for keeping these forum open, ends that I've alluded to in other posts. What some folks fail to recognize is that those ends will likely go unrealized if the publisher allows the ongoing, uncensored exposition of folks views regarding matters that are completely, one-hundred-percent extraneous to wargaming.

No, IMHO, what Matrix desires is a forum environment which is at once both collegial and congenial. To be successful, to promote their products, they really can't have one, on-site, without the other. Suffice it to say, the former is always more easily achieved than the latter. This group of folks is difficult enough to manage, sans potato-masher, and has shown the propensity to descend into chaos when suitably aroused, a state of affairs that doesn't really benefit anyone.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)




SlickWilhelm -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 10:49:36 PM)

Once upon a time, I used to enjoy the flamefests that would occur on a daily basis on alt.games.warbirds and the Aces High O'club, but now that I'm in my early 40's, all I want to do is keep the discussion civil and perhaps argue against a person's opinion, not his person. It was refreshing to find Matrix Games and these forums, where we seem to mostly stay on topic and keep things civil. Personally, I'm sad to see bored stiff let his anger get the better of him and get banned. I hope he cools down and sends Erik an email, and they bury the hatchet.



SS Hauptsturmfuhrer -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 11:25:35 PM)

To avoid misunderstandings, my point of view is that the madman Hitler and his nazi inspired Germanization policy in occupied territory was a prime cause of Germany's defeat in the war.  At the risk of opening up a bad tasting can of political worms, I'll limit this to saying that my interest in the Waffen SS is focussed on the brave and quite amazing efforts of foreign recruited people who were motivated to fight the spread of Bolshevism, and I hold great respect for the latewar German members who fought hard to protect their homeland while the regular Wehrmacht army dropped their weapons and ran.

Here are some books I recommend for people who are interested in learning more about these brave warriors.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2_ns-h6dJQYC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=panzergrenadiers+meyer&source=web&ots=gDEpMnTayC&sig=y_5-Sh6TURaSm-RszR0n_z39YWI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

http://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Faithful-3rd-Panzer-Corps/dp/0921991614




Prince of Eckmühl -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 11:52:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SS Hauptsturmfuhrer

To avoid misunderstandings, my point of view is that the madman Hitler and his nazi inspired Germanization policy in occupied territory was a prime cause of Germany's defeat in the war.  At the risk of opening up a bad tasting can of political worms, I'll limit this to saying that my interest in the Waffen SS is focussed on the brave and quite amazing efforts of foreign recruited people who were motivated to fight the spread of Bolshevism, and I hold great respect for the latewar German members who fought hard to protect their homeland while the regular Wehrmacht army dropped their weapons and ran.

Here are some books I recommend for people who are interested in learning more about these brave warriors.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2_ns-h6dJQYC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=panzergrenadiers+meyer&source=web&ots=gDEpMnTayC&sig=y_5-Sh6TURaSm-RszR0n_z39YWI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

http://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Faithful-3rd-Panzer-Corps/dp/0921991614




IMHO, there's really only one USA holiday that warrants the government shutting down, and that's Memorial Day. It was instituted to honor the memory of the soldiers that died in the American Civil War. This willingness of folks to honor one-another's fallen soldiers seems central to a lasting peace. Juxtapose that, then, with the tripe that you hear from a neo-nazi or read on the pages of the Daily Kos, and you realize that a new, different willingness is emerging, one aimed at the redefining the world along extremist lines, and a commitment to forcing those views on others, by whatever means necessary.

I may be the only one that attends these boards that feels this way, but, for some reason it's far easier for me to honor the memory of the soldiers that Hauptsturmfuhrer makes reference to, than to speak without emotion or prejudice in regard to the mass criminality embodied in the regime that they fought for. For that matter, I relate to the Red Army in the exact same way, no difference, whatsoever. I having nothing nice to say about communists, old or new. Perhaps that's why Matrix wants to steer us away from politics, as nothing good is likely to come of it.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



Perturabo -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/26/2008 11:59:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: noxious

And I have no problems with Germans, but I have a problem with double standards, and letting things go because it's wargaming : we all know the SS were ****ing thugs, and some of the lowest scum of the Earth. Not soldiers (just ask the people who really served in the German army what they thought of the SS, but you all know this already ;))

You mean the people who had an interest in blaming SS for all the German warcrimes?
Sorry, but all the German armies of WWII period were criminal in nature - Wehrmacht was involved in war crimes against Poland, including invading it, capturing people for concentration camps, mass murder of civilians, mass murder of prisoners of war, bombing of open cities, etc.
Blaming SS for everything is just a convenient excuse for them.

Also, SS wasn't a homogeneous organization - it had elite soldiers, concentration camp guards, scientists, idealists, opportunists, anti-communists, criminals, all sort of people.
And many elite Waffen SS units are present in games. I may hate their racist ideals but I admire some of them (for example Michael Wittmann) as warriors.

BTW.
My nickname glorifies genocide on planetary scale, slavery, betrayal, etc.[:D].



Lützow -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/27/2008 12:05:12 AM)

May I throw the first stone ?



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/27/2008 12:09:12 AM)

"At the risk of opening up a bad tasting can of political worms, I'll limit this to saying that my interest in the Waffen SS is focussed on the brave and quite amazing efforts of foreign recruited people who were motivated to fight the spread of Bolshevism" - ** Whatever

That's how neo-nazis DO speak. You're a neo-nazi (and yes, your ideology IS irrelevant here since we try to avoid politics). Anyone wanted the proof perhaps? [;)]

You're totally right on this one, Noxious. What's next? An ADOLF HITLER nick... and then BIN LADEN... "and oh, let's play, that's why we're here, a family site, you know" [:D]

P.S.: I just hope a) you're not British, because b) your name might be on that funny list... [:D]



Perturabo -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/27/2008 12:15:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

That's how neo-nazis DO speak. You're a neo-nazi (and yes, your ideology IS irrelevant here since we try to avoid politics). Anyone wanted the proof perhaps? [;)]

Why would neo-nazis speak like that? I thought that neo-nazis liked SS for racism?



Phatguy -> RE: Family guy so offensive compared to Nazi and SS insignia ?? (11/27/2008 12:20:55 AM)

POE, The ticker is fine......But a few more reads here and a dodging a few of the land mines being sown might lead me to a relapse and the tender mercies of some mean junkyard nurses...lol



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